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Daniel-San wrote:
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I think this may be the forst time I joined a 'politcal' thread. I usually
lurk through them. I was surprised to find Fortenberry (with whom I agree on
most things political, even if I don't post to that effect) jumping my back.
snip

I didn't mean to "jump your back." I just took a stab at
explaining why your comments raised the hackles of my friend
in the Old North State. I mean you *did* ask.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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rw typed:
Tim J. wrote:
Daniel-San typed:

The same "Joes" that would answer "What caused the Civil War?" with
"slavery". Absolutely it was a factor, but it was not the cause.

I don't think it was even much of a factor.

That's an absolute howler. Slavery was overwhelmingly the primary
cause of the Civil War.

I was fed the usual propaganda in school that it wasn't really about
slavery, that is was about states' rights. I later learned, after
educating myself in American history, that this is a rationalization
intended to avoid, ignore, and gloss over the country's racist slave
holding past. If the Civil War was about states' rights, it was about
the rights of states to practice slavery.

.. . .which all boiled down to economics and profits. Did slavery play a
part? Absolutely. Was the war about slavery and the rights of oppressed
black men and women? Nope (and that's my point.) Was it about slavery as a
means to profit? Yes. Certainly there were those concerned with the
aberration of slavery, but the predominant factors were financial
considerations.

.. . .and what is it with Ken and this elephant?
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TL,
Tim
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote ...
Daniel-San wrote:
... I think this may be the forst time I joined a 'politcal' thread. I
usually lurk through them. I was surprised to find Fortenberry (with whom
I agree on most things political, even if I don't post to that effect)
jumping my back. snip

I didn't mean to "jump your back." I just took a stab at
explaining why your comments raised the hackles of my friend
in the Old North State.

I mean you *did* ask.


Touche, I s'pose...

--
Ken Fortenberry



Well, then I guess I don't know why anything I said raised anyone's hackles.
I didn't slander Mrs. Parks. I did not belittle her actions. My comments
were only meant to point out that while she is ...


Ahhh, **** it. I got flies to tye.


Dan
The Upper Manistee calls this weekend. No goddamned politics.

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Daniel-San typed:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote ...
Daniel-San wrote:
... I think this may be the forst time I joined a 'politcal'
thread. I usually lurk through them. I was surprised to find
Fortenberry (with whom I agree on most things political, even if I
don't post to that effect) jumping my back. snip

I didn't mean to "jump your back." I just took a stab at
explaining why your comments raised the hackles of my friend
in the Old North State.

I mean you *did* ask.


Touche, I s'pose...

--
Ken Fortenberry



Well, then I guess I don't know why anything I said raised anyone's
hackles. I didn't slander Mrs. Parks. I did not belittle her actions.
My comments were only meant to point out that while she is ...


Ahhh, **** it. I got flies to tye.

Don't worry, Dan. I'll stay here and shoulder the racist slurs. It appears
I've shifted the focus of their gun sights - RUN!
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TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

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"Tim J." wrote in message ...
Daniel-San typed:


snipola

Ahhh, **** it. I got flies to tye.

Don't worry, Dan. I'll stay here and shoulder the racist slurs. It appears
I've shifted the focus of their gun sights - RUN!

Enjoy...

My Civil War knowledge is slightly more than cursory, so I'll stay outta
that one.

Dan
Prepping for the next swap... maybe a para-Adams....


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TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

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"Daniel-San" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP
I guess I don't know why it's sensitive.

It is rare that even those who may be aware of the details, or the "whole
picture", interpret it in the same manner. Most don´t even know the details,
and would not care if they did.

Obviously, there are more than a few people here with very strong
convictions. This tends to make them somewhat oversensitive to perceived
encroachment on, or diversion from, their own highly regarded precepts.

There is nothing wrong with that in principle, one must have the courage of
one´s convictions, they are otherwise worthless, but it makes even casual
conversation about many things extremely difficult.

Nevertheless, it is progress.

Saying some things at certain places, at certain times, would have gotten
you lynched.

I am rather surprised that you fail to see the extreme sensitivity of such a
subject. Especially in the light of your tenure on ROFF, and your
presumably inherent knowledge of your fellow countrymen.

My apologies, as it seems my original comment, and your reply thereto, more
or less started the landslide.

There is no knowing what even a perfectly innocent comment will break loose
on here. Often makes it difficult, or even quite impossible to converse at
all.

One is already choking, before one realises how far down the throat one´s
foot has managed to ingress.

TL
MC

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Daniel-San typed:
"Tim J." wrote in message ...
Daniel-San typed:


snipola

Ahhh, **** it. I got flies to tye.

Don't worry, Dan. I'll stay here and shoulder the racist slurs. It
appears I've shifted the focus of their gun sights - RUN!

Enjoy...

My Civil War knowledge is slightly more than cursory, so I'll stay
outta that one.

C'mon - give it to us! This could be a galvanizing moment. . .

Dan
Prepping for the next swap... maybe a para-Adams....

Para-Adams are one of my favorites. If you need a tester. . . ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

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Daniel-San wrote:

"Brian Baldwin" wrote in message
...
Not that I want to belittle the effect that Ms Parks action had on the
Civil Rights movement, but I seem to recall an interview with her,
before she achieved media celebrity status, where the interviewer asked
he why she refused to give up her seat. He answer was that it was
because she had just finished a long day at work and she was very tired,
and her feet hurt. She just wanted to sit and relax, and she was, after
all, in the black section of the bus seating arrangement. But, from
little unintended sparks do great fires begin.



I stand corrected.

Getting it right historically dosen't make you the asshole racist. But
it does seem to make you politically incorrect.

--
B²

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"Mike Connor" wrote...

"Daniel-San" ...
SNIP
I guess I don't know why it's sensitive.

It is rare that even those who may be aware of the details, or the "whole
picture", interpret it in the same manner. Most don´t even know the
details, and would not care if they did.

Obviously, there are more than a few people here with very strong
convictions. This tends to make them somewhat oversensitive to perceived
encroachment on, or diversion from, their own highly regarded precepts.

There is nothing wrong with that in principle, one must have the courage
of one´s convictions, they are otherwise worthless, but it makes even
casual conversation about many things extremely difficult.

Absolutely agreed. My best friend's wife and I have simply agreed not to
discuss politics, ever. It gets ugly when she starts calling me 'stupid' for
my beliefs.


Nevertheless, it is progress.

Saying some things at certain places, at certain times, would have gotten
you lynched.

Very true. Even not saying certain things at certain times could have the
same result.


I am rather surprised that you fail to see the extreme sensitivity of such
a subject. Especially in the light of your tenure on ROFF,

Well, me thinks you may give to much credit in the time-served department. I
guess I've been casually posting for about a year or so, but to say I'm
involved is a recent development, if at all.

and your presumably inherent knowledge of your fellow countrymen.

I've long ago given up in trying to figure out what motivates my fellow
countrymen.


My apologies, as it seems my original comment, and your reply thereto,
more or less started the landslide.

No apologies required.


There is no knowing what even a perfectly innocent comment will break
loose on here. Often makes it difficult, or even quite impossible to
converse at all.

Yes, that is very true. I s'pose that is what gives ROFF it's 'character'.
;-)


One is already choking, before one realises how far down the throat one´s
foot has managed to ingress.


Well said.


TL
MC


Dan

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"Tim J." wrote in message
...
Daniel-San typed:
"Tim J." wrote in message ...
Daniel-San typed:


snipola

Ahhh, **** it. I got flies to tye.

Don't worry, Dan. I'll stay here and shoulder the racist slurs. It
appears I've shifted the focus of their gun sights - RUN!

Enjoy...

My Civil War knowledge is slightly more than cursory, so I'll stay
outta that one.

C'mon - give it to us! This could be a galvanizing moment. . .

I'm tired and don't have the comment I wish I had for this line.


Dan
Prepping for the next swap... maybe a para-Adams....

Para-Adams are one of my favorites. If you need a tester. . . ;-)

I've been tying them with orange EP fibers as the post. Will let you know
how they work next week. Fishing Fri, Sat, and Sun AM. Home to see SWMBO off
to the airport. Fishing Tues, Wed, and Thurs. Good week coming.

I'll send you yours galvanized.

Dan
Where's that damned zinc, anyway....


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TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj/