A lesson with Lefty
 

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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"Tom Nakashima" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Mike,
I saw the video, but today's style has changed a bit on the rollcast,
where the line never makes contact with the water until the fly hits. I
can perform both as shown in the video, but the idea of bringing the line
in to 9' is to get the distance and have the line not touch the water
until the fly lands. Reason as explained to me, is that you don't spook
the fish as the line rolls on top of the water.
Whatever works for you though,
-tom


With a properly executed roll cast, the line unfurls in the air, not on
the water. The fly hits the water first, just as in a normal overhead
cast.

Sorry Mike, not any more, but you can still do it that way. The newer
method in the roll cast as changed as described above.


Still don´t know what you mean by "bringing the line in to 9´" . No big
deal.


I'll take a picture of bringing in the line to 9' and post it.
-tom

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Still don´t know what you mean by "bringing the line in to 9´" . No big
deal.

It could be a big deal if you're rollcasting.
Clearing up the 9' of line in the water.
Here is the diagram of the "D" loop and bringing the line in to 9' as Lefty
described.
If your line is out more than 9' then it's harder to execute the rollcast.
If the line is out to 20' (the line touching the water) you won't be able to
shoot the line.

On the line at the rod tip it could be as long as you want, as long as you
have approximately 9' touching the water. In the diagram it shows a very
short D in the rear, but it can long as you wish. The form of the D can also
be an exaggerated looking "D" depending on how much line you have back
there, but the most important thing is that the line will shoot out.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/The_D_Loop.jpg

-tom

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

"Tom Nakashima" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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The form of the D can also
be an exaggerated looking "D" depending on how much line you have back
there, but the most important thing is that the line will shoot out.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/The_D_Loop.jpg

-tom




Still don´t know what you are getting at. the "no big deal", was in relation
to my not understanding.

The relative resistance of the line is a function of the speed with which
you move it, and thus load the rod. The less resistance, ( as on grass, or a
hard floor), the faster you have to move the rod, in order to load it. The
rod loading is important, but the movement once it is loaded is even more
important. Where you start and end this movement is also paramount.

This is not dependent on the amount of line you have out. Whether nine feet
or ninety feet. The roll cast is one of the few casts which only loads the
rod with the line that is actually moved by the rod, independent of how much
line may be outside the tip ring, and the rest of the line is then dragged
along.

TL
MC

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Still don´t know what you are getting at. the "no big deal", was in
relation to my not understanding.

Ok, in relation to you not understanding, glad that's clear.

The relative resistance of the line is a function of the speed with which
you move it, and thus load the rod. The less resistance, ( as on grass, or
a hard floor), the faster you have to move the rod, in order to load it.
The rod loading is important, but the movement once it is loaded is even
more important. Where you start and end this movement is also paramount.

This is already a given function. Whether grass, hardwood floor, Kmart
waxed floor or H2O, there will be surface tension on the line. And the more
line you have out touching any of the above, will cause resistance. Simple:
more mass = more resistance.


This is not dependent on the amount of line you have out. Whether nine
feet or ninety feet.

Are you sure about that? There is resistance on the line from the water,
the more line you have touching the water, the more resistance you have.
(more mass = more resistance) Of course you do want some resistance on the
line to be able to shoot the line. Here's an experiment for you Mike. Put
out 40 ' of line on the water, form the D loop and make the rollcast. Then
make another rollcast, same 40', but only 9' of the 40' touching the water.

The roll cast is one of the few casts which only loads the
rod with the line that is actually moved by the rod, independent of how
much line may be outside the tip ring, and the rest of the line is then
dragged along.


I'm sure glad you said; "dragged along" now it looks like you finally
understand.
Again, more mass = more resistance.
-tom

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Then make another rollcast, same 40', but only 9' of the 40' touching the
water.

I can't speak for others, although I think this may possibly be where the
confusion comes in... In the suggestion above, how do you make a 31' D loop.

Maybe your arms are longer than mine? ;)

JT

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

"Tom Nakashima" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Are you sure about that? There is resistance on the line from the water,
the more line you have touching the water, the more resistance you have.
(more mass = more resistance) Of course you do want some resistance on
the line to be able to shoot the line. Here's an experiment for you Mike.
Put out 40 ' of line on the water, form the D loop and make the rollcast.
Then make another rollcast, same 40', but only 9' of the 40' touching the
water.


I don´t know what this "9´" means.

On a good day, with a special line, and a certain rod, I can roll cast 120
feet. I just don´t see where "nine feet" comes into it. It is intriuging me.
If I have (say) 12 feet of line in my ( slowly!) moving D loop, and ( in the
case of a 50 foot cast), a further 38 feet of line on the water, where does
"nine feet" of anything come into it?

Where is this níne feet?

Are you talking about a dynamic roll, where the line is completely
aerialised on the backcast, allowed to drop, and only an "anchor" is allowed
to touch the water midway in the backcast, ( similar to a Spey, but
underhand), before the forward cast is executed?

Sorry if I seem obtuse.

TL
MC

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

"Jeff Taylor" wrote in message


how do you make a 31' D loop?
Maybe your arms are longer than mine? ;)


precisely......I find it is a piece of cakeg.
Cripes, with my arms, I can probably make a D loop out of the whole freaking
line......

loopily yours,
Tom

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

Mike Connor wrote:
I don´t know what this "9´" means.


The 9 feet is effectively his anchor, the line in the water
in front of him. Then he has a modest D-loop behind
him. The rest of the "free" line (line off the reel) is
between his hand and the reel.

SIngle-handed spey casts work pretty well also.

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

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Mike Connor wrote:
I don´t know what this "9´" means.


The 9 feet is effectively his anchor, the line in the water
in front of him. Then he has a modest D-loop behind
him. The rest of the "free" line (line off the reel) is
between his hand and the reel.

SIngle-handed spey casts work pretty well also.


Indeed, so he shoots over thirty feet of running line in a static roll cast
from a nine foot anchor? I wish........

TL
MC

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:22:34 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:



On the line at the rod tip it could be as long as you want, as long as you
have approximately 9' touching the water. In the diagram it shows a very
short D in the rear, but it can long as you wish. The form of the D can also
be an exaggerated looking "D" depending on how much line you have back
there, but the most important thing is that the line will shoot out.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/The_D_Loop.jpg



Somehow I just see myself setting that up, putting a foot in the wrong
place, casting, and winding up with the line zooming up the inside of
one calf or the other, headed for my waistline.

Luckily, I don't happen to want to cast more than 30 feet at any given
time, so I'll escape the line burns on the thighs.

Thanks for the illustration, though. I was as mystified as anyone
else as to what you were describing. Looks as if it could be useful
for better casters than I am.