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Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
Stephen Henning wrote:
When I was describing a snake a saw climbing a tree and asking if it was poisonous, they told me "they all are poisonous." "Which ones aren't poisonous?" "... A few of the sheep." Dave -- \/David DeLaney posting from "It's not the pot that grows the flower It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeableBLINK http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K. |
Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
Don Freeman wrote:
"Lon" wrote in message Yet you state that the snake was on the bank, and you were 20 ft away, on the water, and in a boat. Now THAT sounds non-provoked. I think he misunderstood the snake's motivation. The snake was really trying to protect him from the Killer Rabbit that was trying to crawl into the boat from the other side. OK Lon. Do I need to remind you that there is a BoMP in place here? Jimmy Carter was an MP? -- Bad command or file name. Bad! Go lay down. |
Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
"Don Freeman" wrote in message ... "Rodney Long" wrote in message ... Don Freeman wrote: Doing a search on "aggressive" and "cottonmouth" I find a lot of disparity in opinions on wither the cottonmouth is actually aggressive or not. Looking closer at the sources I find that the more reliable ones (as opposed to joe blows blog site) tend to support the position that its aggressive nature is not deserved. Man that sounds like the shark huggers (naturalist) who claim bull sharks are not aggressive, they mistake humans for fish. A couple of naturalist were proving that very fact a couple of years ago, in knee deep water, with bull sharks all around them, and guess what? one of them got nailed! on camera, yet they still claimed they are not aggressive Well duh, and if you walk into a pit of even the most timid snakes you are bound to annoy at least one of them. California banned cougar hunting a few years back, and now people are dying, while they are jogging in their neighborhoods Oh yeah, they're killing us left and right out here, can't walk to the corner market without being attacked. That's why there are so many humvees and other forms of SUVs in my neighborhood: to protects us from all the unwarranted feline attention. For a little perspective: http://california.sierraclub.org/mou...on/safety.html "Your risk of being injured or killed by a mountain lion is infinitesimal. There have been only 13 fatal mountain lion attacks in all of North America in the last 100 years. Eleven of the fatal attacks occurred in western states and provinces where trophy hunting of lions is allowed. According to the Department of Fish and Game's own records, in the last 20 years more than 85 people have died and 700 people have been injured in hunting accidents in California. For every person killed by a mountain lion in the last century, 300 people have been killed by bees,. 750 people have died when their cars collided with deer, 1200 people have been killed by lightning, and more than 1100 people were killed in hunting-related accidents. Hunting presents a much greater threat to public safety than mountain lions." My feelings on the matter is from personal experience, not based on what I have read somewhere, and I would bet Joe Blow's Blog site is based on the same thing, his personal experiences More likely to have been based on apocryphal/anecdotal incidences. Which, ironically enough, turns this thread on-topic for this group. -- -Don "whose signature link is even more appropriate" Freeman http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ? (Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time) And the Sierra club is full of ****! There were only about 2 deaths from Mt. Lions until they were put on the protected list. They are not endangered, they are fairly common. They have about wiped out the California Big Horn sheep in a few areas. We a lot living in the San Francisco Bay area hills. |
Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Don Freeman" wrote in message ... "Rodney Long" wrote in message ... California banned cougar hunting a few years back, and now people are dying, while they are jogging in their neighborhoods Oh yeah, they're killing us left and right out here, can't walk to the corner market without being attacked. That's why there are so many humvees and other forms of SUVs in my neighborhood: to protects us from all the unwarranted feline attention. For a little perspective: http://california.sierraclub.org/mou...on/safety.html "Your risk of being injured or killed by a mountain lion is infinitesimal. There have been only 13 fatal mountain lion attacks in all of North America in the last 100 years. Eleven of the fatal attacks occurred in western states and provinces where trophy hunting of lions is allowed. According to the Department of Fish and Game's own records, in the last 20 years more than 85 people have died and 700 people have been injured in hunting accidents in California. For every person killed by a mountain lion in the last century, 300 people have been killed by bees,. 750 people have died when their cars collided with deer, 1200 people have been killed by lightning, and more than 1100 people were killed in hunting-related accidents. Hunting presents a much greater threat to public safety than mountain lions." And the Sierra club is full of ****! There were only about 2 deaths from Mt. Lions until they were put on the protected list. They are not endangered, they are fairly common. They have about wiped out the California Big Horn sheep in a few areas. We a lot living in the San Francisco Bay area hills. Then you are saying that they misquoted the California Fish & Game? Or is the F&G full of **** too? Do you have anything to back your statements up with? I live there too, and the only accounts of Mountain Lions are in areas where people have moved into their range. Or are forced out and into other areas habituated by people. Such as the recent sightings in Walnut Creek. http://cbs5.com/pets/local_story_190171231.html none of which posed any danger. -- -Don Ever had one of those days where you just felt like: http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ? (Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time) |
Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
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Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
"Don Freeman" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Don Freeman" wrote in message ... "Rodney Long" wrote in message ... California banned cougar hunting a few years back, and now people are dying, while they are jogging in their neighborhoods Oh yeah, they're killing us left and right out here, can't walk to the corner market without being attacked. That's why there are so many humvees and other forms of SUVs in my neighborhood: to protects us from all the unwarranted feline attention. For a little perspective: http://california.sierraclub.org/mou...on/safety.html "Your risk of being injured or killed by a mountain lion is infinitesimal. There have been only 13 fatal mountain lion attacks in all of North America in the last 100 years. Eleven of the fatal attacks occurred in western states and provinces where trophy hunting of lions is allowed. According to the Department of Fish and Game's own records, in the last 20 years more than 85 people have died and 700 people have been injured in hunting accidents in California. For every person killed by a mountain lion in the last century, 300 people have been killed by bees,. 750 people have died when their cars collided with deer, 1200 people have been killed by lightning, and more than 1100 people were killed in hunting-related accidents. Hunting presents a much greater threat to public safety than mountain lions." And the Sierra club is full of ****! There were only about 2 deaths from Mt. Lions until they were put on the protected list. They are not endangered, they are fairly common. They have about wiped out the California Big Horn sheep in a few areas. We a lot living in the San Francisco Bay area hills. Then you are saying that they misquoted the California Fish & Game? Or is the F&G full of **** too? Do you have anything to back your statements up with? I live there too, and the only accounts of Mountain Lions are in areas where people have moved into their range. Or are forced out and into other areas habituated by people. Such as the recent sightings in Walnut Creek. http://cbs5.com/pets/local_story_190171231.html none of which posed any danger. -- -Don Ever had one of those days where you just felt like: http://cosmoslair.com/BadDay.html ? (Eating the elephant outside the box, one paradigm at a time) The Calif. F&G is full of **** also. Look at the bad science and the MLPA's. Bought and paid for by Environazis! Walnut Creek has been a large population center for years, backing up to Mt. Diablo. Why are these lions no danger to the populace? They do not like Burb people? Pleasanton Ridge has several lions. Lots of hikers and bikers. and is between Pleasanton with 80,000 people and Hayward with even more. |
Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:46:56 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: The Calif. F&G is full of **** also. Look at the bad science and the MLPA's. Bought and paid for by Environazis! Walnut Creek has been a large population center for years, backing up to Mt. Diablo. Why are these lions no danger to the populace? They do not like Burb people? Pleasanton Ridge has several lions. Lots of hikers and bikers. and is between Pleasanton with 80,000 people and Hayward with even more. Show us the facts. EXACTLY how many people can you demonstrate have been attacked in the area you are blathering about? |
Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
"Bob Ward" wrote in message ... On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:46:56 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: The Calif. F&G is full of **** also. Look at the bad science and the MLPA's. Bought and paid for by Environazis! Walnut Creek has been a large population center for years, backing up to Mt. Diablo. Why are these lions no danger to the populace? They do not like Burb people? Pleasanton Ridge has several lions. Lots of hikers and bikers. and is between Pleasanton with 80,000 people and Hayward with even more. Show us the facts. EXACTLY how many people can you demonstrate have been attacked in the area you are blathering about? The fact that both of you are acting as flaming assholes hardly negates the need for rational discussion lions. First, as with a dozen other noticeable species, the puma/cougar/lion has altered its behavior in recent years, over time adjusting itself lifestyle and range to the presence of humans - not to the extent that coyotes have - but in essence beginning to reclaim range it had once abandoned. Food sources obviously play a part in the "re-spread" of lion habitat and the growth in the number of lions about. Hunting likely never diminished the number of lions as much as did loss of habitat, and "learning"/adapting to new "dietary supplements" helps keep cubs alive and able to grow into adulthood and reproduce (although finding a mate remain desperately difficult for many lions, isolated by their solitary habits). Generally speaking, lions are unlikely to seek close contact with people, and given their coloration and stealth, folks could walk within a few feet of a lion, never aware of its presence. There are some ringers which may cause that equation to imbalance. A female with cubs nearby may react in a fashion quite different from "normal". Any lion which as spent much of its life in proximity to frequent human activity may, just as even gentle pets do, lash out defensively at a human who appears as threatening. Why a lion perceives a specific individual or instance as threatening, we don't know. Ask the lions. I've not know any "Lion Whisperers" of repute in that area. Some "experts" have with reason claimed that lions see joggers and bike riders as something other than humans, the rapid movement or the vehicle altering the appearance, causing the lion to view the rider or runner as potential prey. Others view these sort of attacks in simpler perspective, that runners and riders confront less than wary lions more quickly than us simple plodders wandering about, obviously human by our smell and not fast enough to be athreat. By Golly, I might bite a bike rider who arrived unannounced on my porch as I was napping during the day in the warm sun, a lionish thing to do. The inevitable result....More people in more places added to some resurgence in lion population along with reclamation of former range simply means there will be more attacks, and with a video cam, station vehicle and helo waiting breathlessly for every human or animal tragedy, the events will be covered. TM "Don't bike with pumas, and don't send your three year old out to play with the coyotes either." Oliver |
Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
"TOliver" wrote in message ... "Bob Ward" wrote in message ... On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:46:56 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: The Calif. F&G is full of **** also. Look at the bad science and the MLPA's. Bought and paid for by Environazis! Walnut Creek has been a large population center for years, backing up to Mt. Diablo. Why are these lions no danger to the populace? They do not like Burb people? Pleasanton Ridge has several lions. Lots of hikers and bikers. and is between Pleasanton with 80,000 people and Hayward with even more. Show us the facts. EXACTLY how many people can you demonstrate have been attacked in the area you are blathering about? The fact that both of you are acting as flaming assholes hardly negates the need for rational discussion lions. First, as with a dozen other noticeable species, the puma/cougar/lion has altered its behavior in recent years, over time adjusting itself lifestyle and range to the presence of humans - not to the extent that coyotes have - but in essence beginning to reclaim range it had once abandoned. Food sources obviously play a part in the "re-spread" of lion habitat and the growth in the number of lions about. Hunting likely never diminished the number of lions as much as did loss of habitat, and "learning"/adapting to new "dietary supplements" helps keep cubs alive and able to grow into adulthood and reproduce (although finding a mate remain desperately difficult for many lions, isolated by their solitary habits). Generally speaking, lions are unlikely to seek close contact with people, and given their coloration and stealth, folks could walk within a few feet of a lion, never aware of its presence. There are some ringers which may cause that equation to imbalance. A female with cubs nearby may react in a fashion quite different from "normal". Any lion which as spent much of its life in proximity to frequent human activity may, just as even gentle pets do, lash out defensively at a human who appears as threatening. Why a lion perceives a specific individual or instance as threatening, we don't know. Ask the lions. I've not know any "Lion Whisperers" of repute in that area. Some "experts" have with reason claimed that lions see joggers and bike riders as something other than humans, the rapid movement or the vehicle altering the appearance, causing the lion to view the rider or runner as potential prey. Others view these sort of attacks in simpler perspective, that runners and riders confront less than wary lions more quickly than us simple plodders wandering about, obviously human by our smell and not fast enough to be athreat. By Golly, I might bite a bike rider who arrived unannounced on my porch as I was napping during the day in the warm sun, a lionish thing to do. The inevitable result....More people in more places added to some resurgence in lion population along with reclamation of former range simply means there will be more attacks, and with a video cam, station vehicle and helo waiting breathlessly for every human or animal tragedy, the events will be covered. TM "Don't bike with pumas, and don't send your three year old out to play with the coyotes either." Oliver The lions have also lost fear of humans. And why are acting like a flaming asshole? |
Bitten by Snakes or Snapping Turtles while Swimming?
Not at all, I'm always "now" out with a pistol, I rarely shoot anything
The reason for that is this http://ezknot.com/raccoon.html It's a funny story now, but it was not when it happened Wow. Reminds me of the time we had a mangy-looking skunk in the neighborhood with a definite problem! It was out in broad daylight in my front yard chewing on the grass. Maypies were flying down pecking at it. The kids in the neighborhood (residential street in city limits) were about to get out of school. My neighbor called all "the authorities" and got no where. So he took matters into his own hands. Since he would be fined heavily for discharging a firearm, he dropped a big rock on its head. No one could open their windows that evening, but our kids were safe. Today the authorities wouldn't pull that off for long, as one of the local news stations now does a troubleshooting section called "What makes you mad?" Where local citizens can call and complain. This show has cleared and gotten the slow moving bureaucracy stepping up. ~ jan ----------------- Also ponding troll free at: http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium |
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