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Tom Nakashima wrote:

I'm one of the worst casters when it comes to the "two-fly, dropper"
which is why I avoid
the two-fly rig, there wasn't one time that I haven't tangled, including
current tangle.

Being a "bad caster" is the key to fishing weighted multiple-fly rigs.
Forget about tight loops. Forget about looking good. Throw big open loops,
using your whole arm and shoulder if necessary. Use the drag of the water
to load the rod. Keep false casting to a minimum.

Yes, it's not about pretty or tight loops when dead drifting, or throwing
weighted multi rig flies.
And I know false casting can be your worst enemy when doing so. Open loops
are
always my choice if I multi rig. It only takes one time to learn this.


Many of my tangles come from false strikes or (worse) from pull-outs of
real strikes. When I see the rig heading out of the water on a trajectory
over my head, I do whatever it takes to keep it from getting hung up in
the trees and brush. This usually involves a premature, overpowered, and
panicked forward cast. Then I get the tangle, if I'm lucky.

One fly on the line is just my personal preference..
When nymphing, I use Rich Ostohoff's active nymphing technique with one fly.
I have found it more productive for me than multi rigging, and less
stressful.


Once you're tangled, follow the lead. Nine times out of ten, a loop of
mono centered on the lead will be wrapped around something. Start
unwinding the tangle there.


Not sure if you read Jerry Kustich's "A Wisp in the Wind"
He describes in one of the chapters about multi rigging, which he doesn't do
very often.
But in this case he landed a lunker on a double rig, and just has he grabbed
the line or fish to unhook
and release, the fish took off and the 2nd rig caught him in the hand.
He describes it as one of the most painful experiences in fishing.
fwiw,
-tom

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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 15:54:22 GMT, "Dawn Moe" wrote:



My Tangled Mess casts typically happen on my 1st cat after tying on a
different fly or rig. I end up wrapping the leader around itself or the rod
and don't notice until after I attempt to cast. I get too impatient and want
to get my fly back in the water in too much of a hurry. I just need to pay
more attention to where my line is when I am done retying.

FWIW, you might want to "pay more attention to where your line is"
regardless of the status of your retying. If you're not sure of where
your line is and what it's doing, you're gonna have problems casting. If
experience/"feel" can't yet guide you or you simply get momentarily
"lost," your eyes can tell you (and so, always wear some form of eye
protection when casting), so don't be reluctant to turn your head and
look. Remember, the line IS the cast, and with "out of forward sight"
casts, if the back is right, the forward stands a pretty good chance,
but if the back is a mess, the forward stands very little. IMO, the
"always in sight" aspect is one reason roll casts tend to be easy for
most folks.

HTH,
R

Jeremy Moe

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Tom Nakashima wrote:

Not sure if you read Jerry Kustich's "A Wisp in the Wind"
He describes in one of the chapters about multi rigging, which he doesn't do
very often.
But in this case he landed a lunker on a double rig, and just has he grabbed
the line or fish to unhook
and release, the fish took off and the 2nd rig caught him in the hand.
He describes it as one of the most painful experiences in fishing.

That's happened to me more times than I like to recall. Often it's with
a large whitefish because, unlike trout, they don't give up when brought
to hand -- they keep flopping, even when turned upside down. Even worse,
when I'm fishing for large whitefish I'm usually out to keep them for
the smoker, so I don't debarb the hooks. Twice I've had to drive home
with a hook in my hand because I didn't bring a tool to cut off the barb.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote



I'm one of the worst casters when it comes to the "two-fly, dropper" which
is why I avoid
the two-fly rig, there wasn't one time that I haven't tangled, including
current tangle.
Now I take my chances with one fly on the line. Nothing ****es me off
more than losing
two flies in one cast.


I use a two fly system more often than I like a two fly system, and I never
completely feel good about it.

MY main objection to it is not physical ( although I can tangle anything in
sight of a fly rod ... my shoelaces tangle and only when fly fishing ). My
objection is that I always feel "uncertain" and, therefore, less competent,
when dry and dropper fishing.

To hopefully clarify, IF I know a dry is the right medicine OR a nymph is,
why not fish same and with real commitment? "Hedging my bets" always seems
tacky ... not fishing a nymph, not what I mean, trying to do everything
because who ( not me in these cases ) knows what is best, that is what makes
me feel less committed and confident.

AND, fwiw, I'm 100% convinced that trying to fish both styles compromises
both ... neither the dry nor the nymph is fished as well as if you
concentrated on one tactic ... at least not by me.

Given the popularity of such rigs I'm certain YMWV .... and I m certain I'll
continue to rig a PT under a dry when I neither have real faith in the dry,
nor, am I willing to but on a tiny indicator and fish that PT with real
confidence in it's power ( or forget any indicator and fish the PT )

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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:48:01 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


"Tom Nakashima" wrote



I'm one of the worst casters when it comes to the "two-fly, dropper" which
is why I avoid
the two-fly rig, there wasn't one time that I haven't tangled, including
current tangle.
Now I take my chances with one fly on the line. Nothing ****es me off
more than losing
two flies in one cast.


I use a two fly system more often than I like a two fly system, and I never
completely feel good about it.

MY main objection to it is not physical ( although I can tangle anything in
sight of a fly rod ... my shoelaces tangle and only when fly fishing ). My
objection is that I always feel "uncertain" and, therefore, less competent,
when dry and dropper fishing.

To hopefully clarify, IF I know a dry is the right medicine OR a nymph is,
why not fish same and with real commitment? "Hedging my bets" always seems
tacky ... not fishing a nymph, not what I mean, trying to do everything
because who ( not me in these cases ) knows what is best, that is what makes
me feel less committed and confident.

AND, fwiw, I'm 100% convinced that trying to fish both styles compromises
both ... neither the dry nor the nymph is fished as well as if you
concentrated on one tactic ... at least not by me.

Given the popularity of such rigs I'm certain YMWV .... and I m certain I'll
continue to rig a PT under a dry when I neither have real faith in the dry,
nor, am I willing to but on a tiny indicator and fish that PT with real
confidence in it's power ( or forget any indicator and fish the PT )

Er, well...what I mean to say is...huh?

TC,
R

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Tom Nakashima wrote:

The key to the tangled mess, is "STOP" immediately after casting the first
tangle.

Tom's right Jeremy, stop.
Try listening for the line travelling through the air it sounds
different when a tangle forms.


Steve

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Tom Nakashima wrote:

The key to the tangled mess, is "STOP" immediately after casting the first
tangle.

Tom's right Jeremy, stop.
Try listening for the line travelling through the air it sounds
different when a tangle forms.


Steve

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wrote


Er, well...what I mean to say is...huh?



Don't have the LarryL Post Parsing Plugin for your news reader? Many
readers without it have the same reaction as you ... huh?.

g

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On 8 Dec 2006 12:09:47 -0800, "Stephen Welsh"
wrote:


Tom Nakashima wrote:

The key to the tangled mess, is "STOP" immediately after casting the first
tangle.

Tom's right Jeremy, stop.

I wasn't going to make an issue of it when I read it, but now I'm
curious - why would you guys think anyone would continue attempting to
cast with a tangled mess, or have I mis-read/understood what Tom wrote?

TC,
R

Try listening for the line travelling through the air it sounds
different when a tangle forms.


Steve

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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:17:28 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


wrote


Er, well...what I mean to say is...huh?



Don't have the LarryL Post Parsing Plugin for your news reader? Many
readers without it have the same reaction as you ... huh?.

I didn't mean it sarcastically - I was only gigging you a bit. You
seemed to me to be genuinely attempting to add to the discussion, but I
didn't really understand what you were attempting to convey.

TC,
R

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