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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:28:36 -0600, "Guy" guytee2 at comcast dot net
wrote:

Would you please post a link to a pic of the Killer Caddis? Sorry to wander
off topic on this thread.

http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...n_Cadd_Dr ies

Third row down, in the middle.

The picture, however, doesn't reveal the band of peacock herl that is
tied in parallel to the hook shank and around the end of the ultra
chenile body.

Dave

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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote:


my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to
flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my
call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I
have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask
for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you
wanted some help.
I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did
this make a dime your sadly mistaken.
As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just
say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult.

Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and
if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like
you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand
Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks
might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you,
that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't
and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is
closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or
privately suggest that anyone not do business with you.

R

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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:53:21 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote:


my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to
flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my
call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I
have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask
for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you
wanted some help.
I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did
this make a dime your sadly mistaken.
As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just
say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult.

Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and
if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like
you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand
Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks
might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you,
that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't
and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is
closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or
privately suggest that anyone not do business with you.

R

A real piece of work...

/daytripper

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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:47:44 -0700, rw
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote:


my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to
flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my
call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I
have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask
for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you
wanted some help.
I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did
this make a dime your sadly mistaken.
As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just
say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult.


Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and
if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like
you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand
Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks
might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you,
that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't
and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is
closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or
privately suggest that anyone not do business with you.

R

But that's exactly what you did, publicly.

If you mean to say that I publicly said that folks should not do
business with him, I did not. I did suggest that there were better ways
to help kids than to buy flies for kids that could easily afford them
and I stick by that. I have no opinion on folks buying flies from Harry
in general.

I know you apologized, which must have been difficult,

Why would you think it difficult? Based on his response, _I_ felt I was
wrong to have said "**** Myron" and so, admitting that and apologizing
wasn't difficult - why should it be?

but now to say that you would never do such a thing makes
your apology ring hollow.

I'm not sure I understand to what you are referring - "that I would
never do such a thing," but if you are referring to your take that I
suggested people not do business with Harry in general, again, I didn't
suggest that.

I'm not sending any flies to Myron's rich students, BTW. If I were I
certainly wouldn't crow about it on ROFF. I more-or-less agreed with
your logic, but your manners were a disgrace.

Manners aren't intended to show other folks how wonderful your manners
are, they are intended to make others feel comfortable. I had no
interest in making anyone feel comfortable.

TC,
R

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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:10:06 -0700, rw
wrote:

wrote:

Manners aren't intended to show other folks how wonderful your manners
are, they are intended to make others feel comfortable. I had no
interest in making anyone feel comfortable.

TC,
R

Right. Sure you didn't.

What was the apology for?

Steve, that response doesn't sense to me - the long and short of it is
that I didn't say, nor would I now say, nor should anyone assume that I
said that folks should not do business with Harry. I apologized to
Myron because I felt that I was wrong about having said what I said
to/about him - that I owed him that apology. It had nothing to do with
public sentiment or perception, and apologies have nothing to do with
manners because no one is ever "owed" manners, "good" or "bad." I
apologized in the same place and in the same way I felt that I had made
the mistake. It would seem pointless and silly to have apologized to
him in another place, but hey, maybe that's the way y'all do things in
Idaho. And unless there is something constructive to add, I'm done with
this.

TC,
R

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rw wrote:
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote:


my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to
flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my
call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I
have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask
for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you
wanted some help.
I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did
this make a dime your sadly mistaken.
As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just
say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult.



Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and
if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like
you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand
Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks
might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you,
that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't
and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is
closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or
privately suggest that anyone not do business with you.

R


But that's exactly what you did, publicly. I know you apologized, which
must have been difficult, but now to say that you would never do such a
thing makes your apology ring hollow.

I'm not sending any flies to Myron's rich students, BTW. If I were I
certainly wouldn't crow about it on ROFF. I more-or-less agreed with
your logic, but your manners were a disgrace.


i'm sending some flies to the rich kids in hong kong...well, with
harry's help. ...and i applaud both harry and myron for their efforts. i
didn't consider it part of my annual charitable giving or public
service. i did consider it a return and continuance of the better spirit
and purpose of this place...a place that originally throbbed with
friendships and sharing...not rancor. it was simply a favor being
returned to a "friend"...a way to say thanks.

i have been the beneficiary of the kindness and gifts of many of the
well-off folks who have posted or once posted here. their charity was
undeserved and certainly not needed or required. however, it made a huge
difference in my life and affected some of my own views and conduct ...
for the better. i learned valuable and important things, that in turn
inspired me to share and participate in ways i might not otherwise have
done. in short...kindness and unconditional gifts have a power that
shouldn't have a narrow or rigid focus. ultimately, i think it serves us
all...rich and poor, fortunate and unfortunate.

jeff

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:44:08 -0500, jeff
wrote:

rw wrote:
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote:


my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to
flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my
call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I
have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask
for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you
wanted some help.
I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did
this make a dime your sadly mistaken.
As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just
say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult.



Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and
if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like
you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand
Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks
might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you,
that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't
and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is
closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or
privately suggest that anyone not do business with you.

R


But that's exactly what you did, publicly. I know you apologized, which
must have been difficult, but now to say that you would never do such a
thing makes your apology ring hollow.

I'm not sending any flies to Myron's rich students, BTW. If I were I
certainly wouldn't crow about it on ROFF. I more-or-less agreed with
your logic, but your manners were a disgrace.


i'm sending some flies to the rich kids in hong kong...well, with
harry's help. ...and i applaud both harry and myron for their efforts. i
didn't consider it part of my annual charitable giving or public
service. i did consider it a return and continuance of the better spirit
and purpose of this place...a place that originally throbbed with
friendships and sharing...not rancor. it was simply a favor being
returned to a "friend"...a way to say thanks.

i have been the beneficiary of the kindness and gifts of many of the
well-off folks who have posted or once posted here. their charity was
undeserved and certainly not needed or required. however, it made a huge
difference in my life and affected some of my own views and conduct ...
for the better. i learned valuable and important things, that in turn
inspired me to share and participate in ways i might not otherwise have
done. in short...kindness and unconditional gifts have a power that
shouldn't have a narrow or rigid focus. ultimately, i think it serves us
all...rich and poor, fortunate and unfortunate.

And I'd generally agree with this, almost completely even, except that
when "well-off folks" give gifts to other presumably "well-off folks"
(i.e., you), it ain't charity, it's, well, well-off folks giving gifts
to other presumably well-off folks. And IMO, that's fine, normal, and
natural, and certainly is a sign of fellowship and friendship. Good
things, indeed. Plus, such things are generally a two-way street, as it
were. But let's not confuse it with "helping" anyone in the purely
practical sense and that is by simple necessity of the situation purely
a "one-way street." Unfortunately, there are many more people in this
world that need the practical help to be able to survive to get to the
warm and fuzzy parts many of us take for granted or think of as our due
than there are those that can participate in a scheme involving well-off
folks exchanging gifts out of friendship.

TC,
R

jeff

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"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:53:21 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 GMT, wrote:


my "pitch" as it were, was to help riverman turn some kids on to
flyfishing. As to weather they meet some criteria for need was not my
call nor did it matter. If you had come here and asked for flies, I
have done the same thing. Like I did with riverman I would not ask
for any type of means test, I would take you on your word that you
wanted some help.
I did so as a donation and at my cost and or less. If you think I did
this make a dime your sadly mistaken.
As for helping kids... I agree, you have no idea......but lets just
say that chemo makes doing a half hitch difficult.

Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and
if they are in opposition, that's the way life sometimes plays out. Like
you, it isn't my call who helps or who doesn't, or how. I understand
Myron's reasons for asking for the flies and also understand that folks
might want to send his class some flies. If they send flies from you,
that's their choice. You making or not making a profit really didn't
and doesn't matter to me. As far as I am concerned, this issue is
closed. I have no personal animosity toward you nor would I publicly or
privately suggest that anyone not do business with you.

R

A real piece of work...

It takes about 48 hours for the absinthe to work its way through the system.

Wolfgang