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Mike[_6_] November 12th, 2007 04:36 PM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
Now an engineer told me before he died,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
An engineer told me before he died,
I got no reason to believe he lied,
"avoid them Oakies they got no pride"
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

Now some of īem say they are engineers,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Now some of īem say they are engineers,
but most are just wet behind the ears,
most have been tellin such lies for years
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

So donīt let the assholes take you for a ride,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
So donīt let the assholes take your for a ride,
they got no hope theyīs just dead inside,
they just open their stupid mouths too wide
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
the closest to a train is a mouthfull of soot,
no other engineers give a damn hoot
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
some walk around in a fly-fishing vest,
but they donīt know ****, and weīre not impressed
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

If you want a nice life just avoid them son,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
If you want a nice life just avoid them son
there just ainīt no point in talking to scum
apart form which they sure are dumb
Ahummmmmmmmmmm






Mike[_6_] November 12th, 2007 04:40 PM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
On 12 Nov, 17:19, BJ Conner wrote:
On Nov 12, 8:17 am, Mike wrote:



On 12 Nov, 17:01, BJ Conner wrote:


On Nov 12, 7:47 am, Mike wrote:


On 12 Nov, 16:08, BJ Conner wrote:


Don't let the computer screen give you the red-ass, it's not good for
you.


Iīm proud to be an Oakie and a jokey,
you can tell by all the red-ass **** I write,
donīt try to mess with me you mother****er,
īcos getting you annoyed is my delight.


So maybe I canīt read well, or discuss things,
but I know sure as hell that I am right,
I just donīt give a **** for your objections,
Iīll just pound away with insults day and night.


Sure I went to college, took some courses,
readin writin and some sikologee,
so dontīdonīt try no clever tricks you ****in dumbass,
there just aint noone cleverer than me.


I īve caught trout in states you never heard of,
usin crawlers, jigs and poppers, even flies,
donīt matter much to me what you are sayin,
hell Iīm better yet with bull**** and with lies.


Now I reckon Iīll get back to engineerin ,
ainīt done much of that for quite a while,
polish ma degree, and check my toolbox,
and put on my most impressive charmin smile.


Got ma lunch, ma pole, and all ma fixins,
time to to leave and go and drive my train,
donīt try and **** with me while I am gone son
cos ma bull**** works far better than your brains.


The poetry classes you get from filling out match book covers are even
worse than the engineering and psychology ones.


Told you Iīd be back from ma train drivin,
to carry on insultin you a bunch,
I got back so quick you match book hero,
cos I just plumb forgot to pack ma lunch.


You cainīt get to me you friggin dip****,
cos I lerned all there is to know in life,
hell I can bull**** you all day ifīn I want to,
if I set my mind to causin you some strife.


I never got around to poetry classes,
reckon I just never had a mind,
but I sure as hell can see what you are doin,
yoīre just tryin to ge me in a bind.


It dont matter half a **** to me you asshole,
I got you pegged, and safely in ma trap,
I just got to keep on reeling out the match-books,
that surely will prevent more of your crap.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Thank you, you have verified my previous comment.


Entirely my pleasure. What rhymes with "slime" ?


BJ Conner November 12th, 2007 04:47 PM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
On Nov 12, 8:36 am, Mike wrote:
Now an engineer told me before he died,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
An engineer told me before he died,
I got no reason to believe he lied,
"avoid them Oakies they got no pride"
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

Now some of īem say they are engineers,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Now some of īem say they are engineers,
but most are just wet behind the ears,
most have been tellin such lies for years
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

So donīt let the assholes take you for a ride,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
So donīt let the assholes take your for a ride,
they got no hope theyīs just dead inside,
they just open their stupid mouths too wide
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
the closest to a train is a mouthfull of soot,
no other engineers give a damn hoot
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
some walk around in a fly-fishing vest,
but they donīt know ****, and weīre not impressed
Ahummmmmmmmmmm

If you want a nice life just avoid them son,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
If you want a nice life just avoid them son
there just ainīt no point in talking to scum
apart form which they sure are dumb
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Thanks again. but you don't need to verify my observations again.
It's been apparent for awhile that you ain't no poet ( or
songwriter). Speaking of singers google up Clark Reid- he seems to
be doing well these days.


Mike[_6_] November 12th, 2007 05:46 PM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
On 12 Nov, 17:47, BJ Conner wrote:
On Nov 12, 8:36 am, Mike wrote:



Now an engineer told me before he died,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
An engineer told me before he died,
I got no reason to believe he lied,
"avoid them Oakies they got no pride"
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Now some of īem say they are engineers,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Now some of īem say they are engineers,
but most are just wet behind the ears,
most have been tellin such lies for years
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


So donīt let the assholes take you for a ride,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
So donīt let the assholes take your for a ride,
they got no hope theyīs just dead inside,
they just open their stupid mouths too wide
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
the closest to a train is a mouthfull of soot,
no other engineers give a damn hoot
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
some walk around in a fly-fishing vest,
but they donīt know ****, and weīre not impressed
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


If you want a nice life just avoid them son,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
If you want a nice life just avoid them son
there just ainīt no point in talking to scum
apart form which they sure are dumb
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Thanks again. but you don't need to verify my observations again.
It's been apparent for awhile that you ain't no poet ( or
songwriter). Speaking of singers google up Clark Reid- he seems to
be doing well these days.


I have no need to Google Clark, I have his e-mail address. Indeed, I
have had some very interesting, useful, and informative conversations
with him on other boards. I also follow his career a little now and
again, and I am very happy for him that he is doing well. he is also
doing very well on the salt water fly fishing scene.

He does not come to ROFF any more, or at least he does not post. Now I
wonder why that could be? Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?

MC


BJ Conner November 12th, 2007 06:05 PM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
On Nov 12, 9:46 am, Mike wrote:
On 12 Nov, 17:47, BJ Conner wrote:





On Nov 12, 8:36 am, Mike wrote:


Now an engineer told me before he died,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
An engineer told me before he died,
I got no reason to believe he lied,
"avoid them Oakies they got no pride"
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Now some of īem say they are engineers,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Now some of īem say they are engineers,
but most are just wet behind the ears,
most have been tellin such lies for years
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


So donīt let the assholes take you for a ride,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
So donīt let the assholes take your for a ride,
they got no hope theyīs just dead inside,
they just open their stupid mouths too wide
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
the closest to a train is a mouthfull of soot,
no other engineers give a damn hoot
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
some walk around in a fly-fishing vest,
but they donīt know ****, and weīre not impressed
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


If you want a nice life just avoid them son,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
If you want a nice life just avoid them son
there just ainīt no point in talking to scum
apart form which they sure are dumb
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Thanks again. but you don't need to verify my observations again.
It's been apparent for awhile that you ain't no poet ( or
songwriter). Speaking of singers google up Clark Reid- he seems to
be doing well these days.


I have no need to Google Clark, I have his e-mail address. Indeed, I
have had some very interesting, useful, and informative conversations
with him on other boards. I also follow his career a little now and
again, and I am very happy for him that he is doing well. he is also
doing very well on the salt water fly fishing scene.

He does not come to ROFF any more, or at least he does not post. Now I
wonder why that could be? Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?

MC- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


If you mean Okies as opposed to Sooners it's spelled "Okies".
"Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?"
No, people have been telling your knowledge is presented in an
overbearing, pompus arrogant Most of use are lacking in knowledge
and experience. Not Dave or Kenny or George (GRHS) claimed to know as
much as you and they did not insist (as you do) that are or were the
last word in ff knowledge.


Mike[_6_] November 12th, 2007 06:14 PM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
On 12 Nov, 19:05, BJ Conner wrote:
On Nov 12, 9:46 am, Mike wrote:



On 12 Nov, 17:47, BJ Conner wrote:


On Nov 12, 8:36 am, Mike wrote:


Now an engineer told me before he died,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
An engineer told me before he died,
I got no reason to believe he lied,
"avoid them Oakies they got no pride"
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Now some of īem say they are engineers,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Now some of īem say they are engineers,
but most are just wet behind the ears,
most have been tellin such lies for years
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


So donīt let the assholes take you for a ride,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
So donīt let the assholes take your for a ride,
they got no hope theyīs just dead inside,
they just open their stupid mouths too wide
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
the closest to a train is a mouthfull of soot,
no other engineers give a damn hoot
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
some walk around in a fly-fishing vest,
but they donīt know ****, and weīre not impressed
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


If you want a nice life just avoid them son,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
If you want a nice life just avoid them son
there just ainīt no point in talking to scum
apart form which they sure are dumb
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Thanks again. but you don't need to verify my observations again.
It's been apparent for awhile that you ain't no poet ( or
songwriter). Speaking of singers google up Clark Reid- he seems to
be doing well these days.


I have no need to Google Clark, I have his e-mail address. Indeed, I
have had some very interesting, useful, and informative conversations
with him on other boards. I also follow his career a little now and
again, and I am very happy for him that he is doing well. he is also
doing very well on the salt water fly fishing scene.


He does not come to ROFF any more, or at least he does not post. Now I
wonder why that could be? Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?


MC- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


If you mean Okies as opposed to Sooners it's spelled "Okies".
"Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?"
No, people have been telling your knowledge is presented in an
overbearing, pompus arrogant Most of use are lacking in knowledge
and experience. Not Dave or Kenny or George (GRHS) claimed to know as
much as you and they did not insist (as you do) that are or were the
last word in ff knowledge.


I was not referring to "Okies", I was referring "Oakies".

I have no control over what people think, nor do I wish to have it.

I have never intimated or implied anything of the sort. You should
avoid believing your own or other peopleīs propaganda.

Your post is once again more or less unintelligible, and even the
intelligible posts you occasionally make are often rubbish, or make no
sense.

But of course you continue to insist that you are right about
everything. That is what fools do.

MC


BJ Conner November 12th, 2007 07:12 PM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
On Nov 12, 10:14 am, Mike wrote:
On 12 Nov, 19:05, BJ Conner wrote:





On Nov 12, 9:46 am, Mike wrote:


On 12 Nov, 17:47, BJ Conner wrote:


On Nov 12, 8:36 am, Mike wrote:


Now an engineer told me before he died,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
An engineer told me before he died,
I got no reason to believe he lied,
"avoid them Oakies they got no pride"
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Now some of īem say they are engineers,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Now some of īem say they are engineers,
but most are just wet behind the ears,
most have been tellin such lies for years
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


So donīt let the assholes take you for a ride,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
So donīt let the assholes take your for a ride,
they got no hope theyīs just dead inside,
they just open their stupid mouths too wide
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
the closest to a train is a mouthfull of soot,
no other engineers give a damn hoot
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
some walk around in a fly-fishing vest,
but they donīt know ****, and weīre not impressed
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


If you want a nice life just avoid them son,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
If you want a nice life just avoid them son
there just ainīt no point in talking to scum
apart form which they sure are dumb
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Thanks again. but you don't need to verify my observations again.
It's been apparent for awhile that you ain't no poet ( or
songwriter). Speaking of singers google up Clark Reid- he seems to
be doing well these days.


I have no need to Google Clark, I have his e-mail address. Indeed, I
have had some very interesting, useful, and informative conversations
with him on other boards. I also follow his career a little now and
again, and I am very happy for him that he is doing well. he is also
doing very well on the salt water fly fishing scene.


He does not come to ROFF any more, or at least he does not post. Now I
wonder why that could be? Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?


MC- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


If you mean Okies as opposed to Sooners it's spelled "Okies".
"Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?"
No, people have been telling your knowledge is presented in an
overbearing, pompus arrogant Most of use are lacking in knowledge
and experience. Not Dave or Kenny or George (GRHS) claimed to know as
much as you and they did not insist (as you do) that are or were the
last word in ff knowledge.


I was not referring to "Okies", I was referring "Oakies".

I have no control over what people think, nor do I wish to have it.

I have never intimated or implied anything of the sort. You should
avoid believing your own or other peopleīs propaganda.

Your post is once again more or less unintelligible, and even the
intelligible posts you occasionally make are often rubbish, or make no
sense.

But of course you continue to insist that you are right about
everything. That is what fools do.

MC- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Thanks again. I can't argue on that point. If there is anyone who is
an expert on fools I conceed that you are it.


Mike[_6_] November 12th, 2007 07:23 PM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
On 12 Nov, 20:12, BJ Conner wrote:
On Nov 12, 10:14 am, Mike wrote:



On 12 Nov, 19:05, BJ Conner wrote:


On Nov 12, 9:46 am, Mike wrote:


On 12 Nov, 17:47, BJ Conner wrote:


On Nov 12, 8:36 am, Mike wrote:


Now an engineer told me before he died,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
An engineer told me before he died,
I got no reason to believe he lied,
"avoid them Oakies they got no pride"
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Now some of īem say they are engineers,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Now some of īem say they are engineers,
but most are just wet behind the ears,
most have been tellin such lies for years
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


So donīt let the assholes take you for a ride,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
So donīt let the assholes take your for a ride,
they got no hope theyīs just dead inside,
they just open their stupid mouths too wide
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
the closest to a train is a mouthfull of soot,
no other engineers give a damn hoot
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
some walk around in a fly-fishing vest,
but they donīt know ****, and weīre not impressed
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


If you want a nice life just avoid them son,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
If you want a nice life just avoid them son
there just ainīt no point in talking to scum
apart form which they sure are dumb
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Thanks again. but you don't need to verify my observations again.
It's been apparent for awhile that you ain't no poet ( or
songwriter). Speaking of singers google up Clark Reid- he seems to
be doing well these days.


I have no need to Google Clark, I have his e-mail address. Indeed, I
have had some very interesting, useful, and informative conversations
with him on other boards. I also follow his career a little now and
again, and I am very happy for him that he is doing well. he is also
doing very well on the salt water fly fishing scene.


He does not come to ROFF any more, or at least he does not post. Now I
wonder why that could be? Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?


MC- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


If you mean Okies as opposed to Sooners it's spelled "Okies".
"Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?"
No, people have been telling your knowledge is presented in an
overbearing, pompus arrogant Most of use are lacking in knowledge
and experience. Not Dave or Kenny or George (GRHS) claimed to know as
much as you and they did not insist (as you do) that are or were the
last word in ff knowledge.


I was not referring to "Okies", I was referring "Oakies".


I have no control over what people think, nor do I wish to have it.


I have never intimated or implied anything of the sort. You should
avoid believing your own or other peopleīs propaganda.


Your post is once again more or less unintelligible, and even the
intelligible posts you occasionally make are often rubbish, or make no
sense.


But of course you continue to insist that you are right about
everything. That is what fools do.


MC- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Thanks again. I can't argue on that point. If there is anyone who is
an expert on fools I conceed that you are it.


Try "concede", and otherwise **** off, I will not under any
circumstances reply to you again.

MC


BJ Conner November 12th, 2007 08:23 PM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
On Nov 12, 11:23 am, Mike wrote:
On 12 Nov, 20:12, BJ Conner wrote:





On Nov 12, 10:14 am, Mike wrote:


On 12 Nov, 19:05, BJ Conner wrote:


On Nov 12, 9:46 am, Mike wrote:


On 12 Nov, 17:47, BJ Conner wrote:


On Nov 12, 8:36 am, Mike wrote:


Now an engineer told me before he died,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
An engineer told me before he died,
I got no reason to believe he lied,
"avoid them Oakies they got no pride"
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Now some of īem say they are engineers,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Now some of īem say they are engineers,
but most are just wet behind the ears,
most have been tellin such lies for years
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


So donīt let the assholes take you for a ride,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
So donīt let the assholes take your for a ride,
they got no hope theyīs just dead inside,
they just open their stupid mouths too wide
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
They walk around with a mouth full of foot,
the closest to a train is a mouthfull of soot,
no other engineers give a damn hoot
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
Oakiejokeys are a real bad pest,
some walk around in a fly-fishing vest,
but they donīt know ****, and weīre not impressed
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


If you want a nice life just avoid them son,
Ahummmmmmmmmmm
If you want a nice life just avoid them son
there just ainīt no point in talking to scum
apart form which they sure are dumb
Ahummmmmmmmmmm


Thanks again. but you don't need to verify my observations again.
It's been apparent for awhile that you ain't no poet ( or
songwriter). Speaking of singers google up Clark Reid- he seems to
be doing well these days.


I have no need to Google Clark, I have his e-mail address. Indeed, I
have had some very interesting, useful, and informative conversations
with him on other boards. I also follow his career a little now and
again, and I am very happy for him that he is doing well. he is also
doing very well on the salt water fly fishing scene.


He does not come to ROFF any more, or at least he does not post. Now I
wonder why that could be? Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?


MC- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


If you mean Okies as opposed to Sooners it's spelled "Okies".
"Maybe it has something to do with dumb
Oakies telling people they donīt know anything about fly-fishing
because they live somewhere else?"
No, people have been telling your knowledge is presented in an
overbearing, pompus arrogant Most of use are lacking in knowledge
and experience. Not Dave or Kenny or George (GRHS) claimed to know as
much as you and they did not insist (as you do) that are or were the
last word in ff knowledge.


I was not referring to "Okies", I was referring "Oakies".


I have no control over what people think, nor do I wish to have it.


I have never intimated or implied anything of the sort. You should
avoid believing your own or other peopleīs propaganda.


Your post is once again more or less unintelligible, and even the
intelligible posts you occasionally make are often rubbish, or make no
sense.


But of course you continue to insist that you are right about
everything. That is what fools do.


MC- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Thanks again. I can't argue on that point. If there is anyone who is
an expert on fools I conceed that you are it.


Try "concede", and otherwise **** off, I will not under any
circumstances reply to you again.

MC- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Thank you, I've been waiting for that.


BJ Conner November 13th, 2007 01:12 AM

Newbie hopper pattern subject revisited
 
On Nov 11, 9:46 am, Mike wrote:
On 11 Nov, 18:30, BJ Conner wrote:

On Nov 11, 3:56 am, Dave LaCourse wrote:


Hey, BJ...


Welcome to the club. Membership is filling up quickly.


d;o)


It bothers me not. I feel the same way about him as some homeless bum
begging on the on-ramp.
The cause of his problems are not you, me or Kenny, he can find him in
the bathroom mirror. I hold him no ill will, just pitty.
If I wished him ill and were Gradalf armed with a majic staff able to
transform him into any creature. The worst thing of all I could do to
him would be to leave him Mike Connor.


Donīt flatter yourself dumbo, you donīt cause me any problems, you are
just a nasty ignorant little man with the capability of insulting
others on the internet. There are thousands like you. It is just a
nuisance that you happen to be here.

As for wishing me no ill will, you are just as big a liar as
Fortenberry or LaCourse. The only reason for your stupid,ignorant,
and abusive posts, is precisely because you wish me ill. You have a
severe inferiority complex, just like LaCourse, which causes you to
try and aggrandise your achievements on here, and all you can do about
it is insult and denigrate your betters.

All the engineers I know, and that is quite a few, can spell, and
write intelligible English, even the Germans!

MC


Those psychology degrees you got filling out the cupons on matchbook
covers aren't much better than the engineering degrees, I hope you
didn't pay a lot for them.



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