Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

Greg Pavlov wrote:
On 25 Nov 2003 03:02:01 GMT, Stephen Welsh
wrote:


Could one be used overhead for any length of time without undue
tiredness?


I'm sure that you've seen some of the heavy weight tackle
that conventional tackle surf casters use.

Personally, I think that two-handed overhead casting fly rods
coupled with shooting heads are functionally close to
conventional surf tackle, tho you can still cast much further with
the latter. My first surf fly rod was a two-hander that I had
built because it seemed to make much more sense to me
than attacking surf on ocean scale with one-handed 9 footers.
Now, 3 years into it, I do use a few 9 footers in the surf as well,
but the two-handers do make more sense to me overall.

I'd just remark that there is the important distinction here that with a
fly line you can deliver a fly or lure whose weight is not important to
your ability to cast far, unlike conventional tackle. Also depending on
your choice of line you can fish much more of the water column.

Mike

Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

Peter Charles wrote in
:

Got to the http://speypages.com/speypages.htm and check out the
seventh video where Henrik Mortensen demonstrates the underhand
cast. This video also describes the basic powerstroke of the
overhead cast with a two-hander. Note how is bottom hand isn't
even gripping the rod -- how effortless the stroke. This stroke
would produce a 100'+ cast with ease.


Looks easy enough ;-)
Kush's snake roll is pretty impressive too!

Well, yestereve I went into the shop and cast about for the owner.
Fine chap is Milton, anyway he's getting in a Loop Black Line 8/9
for me to have a try of. And.... as luck would have it the T&T
rep.
wandered in at about the same time ... he was a little vague on
details but seemed to think there were some double handers laying
about ... somewhere. Fingers crossed on that one coming through.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of DH gear available downunder even
though there is a DH distance event at the casting champs.

That's a good site too thanks Peter,

Steve (scratting around for tackle ...what fun! :-)

Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

On 27 Nov 2003 21:32:14 GMT, Stephen Welsh
wrote:

Peter Charles wrote in
:

Got to the http://speypages.com/speypages.htm and check out the
seventh video where Henrik Mortensen demonstrates the underhand
cast. This video also describes the basic powerstroke of the
overhead cast with a two-hander. Note how is bottom hand isn't
even gripping the rod -- how effortless the stroke. This stroke
would produce a 100'+ cast with ease.


Looks easy enough ;-)
Kush's snake roll is pretty impressive too!

Well, yestereve I went into the shop and cast about for the owner.
Fine chap is Milton, anyway he's getting in a Loop Black Line 8/9
for me to have a try of. And.... as luck would have it the T&T
rep.
wandered in at about the same time ... he was a little vague on
details but seemed to think there were some double handers laying
about ... somewhere. Fingers crossed on that one coming through.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of DH gear available downunder even
though there is a DH distance event at the casting champs.

That's a good site too thanks Peter,

Steve (scratting around for tackle ...what fun! :-)


The Loop Black Line 8/9 is a fairly lightweight, medium action, spey
outfit and it probably won't be too impressive overhead. The T&T
however . . .

Still, the all time overhead champ for me is my Scottish-made Daiwa
15'6" 11 wt. Very light, easy casting, and unfreakingbelievable
distance.

Peter

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Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

Greg Pavlov wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 04:30:29 GMT, mmcgr wrote:


I'd just remark that there is the important distinction here that with a
fly line you can deliver a fly or lure whose weight is not important to
your ability to cast far, unlike conventional tackle. ...


You're wrong about the "conventional tackle:"
I was fishing woolly buggers, stone flies, bead
head nymphs, zonkers, and globugs several
years before I ever cast a fly rod.

You miss the point. Those are all weighted flies, and possibly you added
some shot, all of which weight you needed to make a spin cast possible.
You would have gotten nowhere with a dry fly without a bubble. The only
reason a fly cast fly needs weight is to sink it.

Mike

Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

Peter Charles wrote:



The Loop Black Line 8/9 is a fairly lightweight, medium action, spey
outfit and it probably won't be too impressive overhead. The T&T
however . . .

Thanks for the comment on the Loop ...I'd have preferred
the next size up (10/11) but that one doesn't come here ...
some weird decisions get made around the traps.
I'm really hoping the T&T guy can help out .. a lot.

and ...


Still, the all time overhead champ for me is my Scottish-made Daiwa
15'6" 11 wt. Very light, easy casting, and unfreakingbelievable
distance.

DW576W - 220 quid + p&p from a couple of places in the UK.

;-)



11wt might be over the top for the size fish - up to 3 kilo but
if that's what it takes to beat the wind and get the distance so be
it.


Steve (Actually fishzilla was 3 times that size ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz :-)

Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

Greg Pavlov wrote:
....But your original claim was
"... that there is the important distinction here that with a
fly line you can deliver a fly or lure whose weight is not
important to your ability to cast far, unlike conventional
tackle. ..." That is not true: all types of gear can "deliver"
a fly. The only real difference in that regard is that the
weight needed to do so might be concentrated in
several split shot or something similar, or stretched out
over a 30 ft line.

Sigh... again you miss the point even while in effect conceding it. If
weight is not concentrated at or near the end of the line, the only way
a fly or lure can be cast is with a fly line.

Mike

Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

Greg Pavlov wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 05:10:37 GMT, mmcgr wrote:


Sigh... again you miss the point even while in effect conceding it.


That is not true and you know it.

then pray tell me how a essentially weightless fly or lure can be cast
without a fly line.

Mike

Is there any advantage in a spey rod?
 

Greg Pavlov wrote:

Fly fishing
is fun and rewarding but it's fundamentally anachronistic.

How about when that bubble spooks not only the individual sipping trout
you're stalking, but also every other freaking fish in the pool?

I strongly disagree with your statement that flyfishing is
anachronistic, although it may have anacronistic features, seen most
obviously in the devotions of some gear whores for bamboo rods and silk
lines and the like.

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