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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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If the idiocy of notions about
balance is not apparent at the end of half an hour, take up oil
painting......it is much more amenable sagacious pronouncements based on
specious "reasoning".

Just have to vent your Nervous Nelly ****wit piehole I guess.

Oh, you'll be guessing for a long, long time. :)

Wolfgang
the sun is settin' like molasses in the sky.

Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
 

"Dan" lose wrote in message ...
Bill,

Thanks for the simple answer. I was hoping there was one.

I hope you feel better.

Dan


All the answers are simple, but many of the questions are extremely
complicated. Half the battle is getting to the stage where you can ask
the right questions, and then deciding which of the answers might be
correct.

TL
MC

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).

Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
 

On 1 Dec 2003 18:28:00 -0800, (Mike Connor)
wrote:

"Dan" lose wrote in message ...
Bill,

Thanks for the simple answer. I was hoping there was one.

I hope you feel better.

Dan


All the answers are simple, but many of the questions are extremely
complicated. Half the battle is getting to the stage where you can ask
the right questions, and then deciding which of the answers might be
correct.

TL
MC

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).


With due respect to my esteemed colleagues, Wolfie and Mike (welcome
back, BTW), would either of you gentlemen care to fish with a Tibor
Gulfstream on the end of an SPL 0 wt.? (Ignoring in your case Wolfie,
were you to be the owner, that this combination would have at least
doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an
automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter.) The size of reels do
matter -- it's just a question of degree.

Here's a thought experiment for the both of you. Gather a group of
anglers with varying degrees of experience and ask them to participate
in a blindfold test of five 9' - 4 wt. rods of different brands. All
rods will be cast with 30' of the same line. However, we actually
give them the same rod and line only equipped with reels of different
weights and sizes. Do you think that would be sufficient difference
to make at least some of them believe they are actually casting
different rods? I do.



Peter

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Peter Charles wrote:



With due respect to my esteemed colleagues, Wolfie and Mike (welcome
back, BTW), would either of you gentlemen care to fish with a Tibor
Gulfstream on the end of an SPL 0 wt.? (Ignoring in your case Wolfie,
were you to be the owner, that this combination would have at least
doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an
automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter.) The size of reels do
matter -- it's just a question of degree.

Here's a thought experiment for the both of you. Gather a group of
anglers with varying degrees of experience and ask them to participate
in a blindfold test of five 9' - 4 wt. rods of different brands. All
rods will be cast with 30' of the same line. However, we actually
give them the same rod and line only equipped with reels of different
weights and sizes. Do you think that would be sufficient difference
to make at least some of them believe they are actually casting
different rods? I do.


Me too. But the way you set it up, I also think if you repeatedly handed
them the same rod AND reel I think that most of them would believe they
are actually casting different rods.

Willi

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
om...
"Dan" lose wrote in message
...
Bill,

Thanks for the simple answer. I was hoping there was one.

I hope you feel better.

Dan


All the answers are simple, but many of the questions are extremely
complicated. Half the battle is getting to the stage where you can ask
the right questions, and then deciding which of the answers might be
correct.

TL
MC

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).

Actually, I've always found questions impenetrable.....and answers
ludicrous. The trick, as you point out, is to match the correct selection
from column A to its mate from column B. The result is purported to be
illumination. Whole lotta darkness goin' on.

Wolfgang
who has found random selection to be generally as rewarding as any other
method. :)

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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On 1 Dec 2003 18:28:00 -0800, (Mike Connor)
wrote:

"Dan" lose wrote in message
...
Bill,

Thanks for the simple answer. I was hoping there was one.

I hope you feel better.

Dan


All the answers are simple, but many of the questions are extremely
complicated. Half the battle is getting to the stage where you can ask
the right questions, and then deciding which of the answers might be
correct.

TL
MC

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).


With due respect to my esteemed colleagues, Wolfie and Mike (welcome
back, BTW),

Thank you.

would either of you gentlemen care to fish with a Tibor
Gulfstream on the end of an SPL 0 wt.?

Hm......well, I've got a pretty good idea what an SPL 0 wt. must be but,
beyond the assumption that a Tibor Gulfstream is a fly reel.....and a heavy
one....I really don't know what it is.......um......do I get to pick which
ends it's on?

(Ignoring in your case Wolfie,
were you to be the owner, that this combination would have at least
doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an
automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter.)

Oh, I wouldn't be so sure about that.....I already own a fifty dollar reel.

The size of reels do
matter --

I don't believe I ever suggested otherwise.

it's just a question of degree.

Yes, that's what I said.

Here's a thought experiment for the both of you. Gather a group of
anglers with varying degrees of experience and ask them to participate
in a blindfold test of five 9' - 4 wt. rods of different brands. All
rods will be cast with 30' of the same line. However, we actually
give them the same rod and line only equipped with reels of different
weights and sizes. Do you think that would be sufficient difference
to make at least some of them believe they are actually casting
different rods?

Of course. Gosh, that was easy.

I do.

Well, I should certainly hope so.

Wolfgang

Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
 

In article ,
(Mike Connor) wrote:

( Wolgang was right by the way, it does not matter much which reel you
use).

Are you sure about that? Really Really sure? I was sold a sth im c2
6-8 weight for stealhead and salmon fishing on the feather. A salmon
took my glo bug, and went for a run. The cassette came off and fell
into the water. I lost the fish, had to wait till all the line was out
so I could pull up the cassette from the bottom of the river.

It seems that when you are fishing for the salmon some 8 weight reels
will hold up like a champ (even my 5 weight hardy lrc lightweight help
up like a champ) while some bigger reels will just literally fall apart/

Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
 

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:20:25 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


Of course. Gosh, that was easy.

I do.

Well, I should certainly hope so.

Wolfgang



Isn't it wonderful when we agree -- a rendition of Kum By Ya can't be
far behind.

Now let's work on that rod & reel balance thingie. :)

Peter

P.S. A gulfsteam is a honking big 14 wt. sal****er reel but then you
knew that already and was jus pulling my leg.

Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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.....A gulfsteam is a honking big 14 wt. sal****er reel but then you
knew that already and was jus pulling my leg.

Nope, didn't know that, but it's about what I assumed.

Wolfgang

Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
 

Peter Charles wrote in message . ..

With due respect to my esteemed colleagues, Wolfie and Mike (welcome
back, BTW), would either of you gentlemen care to fish with a Tibor
Gulfstream on the end of an SPL 0 wt.? (Ignoring in your case Wolfie,
were you to be the owner, that this combination would have at least
doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an
automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter.) The size of reels do
matter -- it's just a question of degree.

Here's a thought experiment for the both of you. Gather a group of
anglers with varying degrees of experience and ask them to participate
in a blindfold test of five 9' - 4 wt. rods of different brands. All
rods will be cast with 30' of the same line. However, we actually
give them the same rod and line only equipped with reels of different
weights and sizes. Do you think that would be sufficient difference
to make at least some of them believe they are actually casting
different rods? I do.



Of course it would be silly to use a hopelessly overweight reel on any
rod, but that was not the question. You could still fish with such a
combination, ( assuming you can even get such a reel attached to the
reel seat, which is unlikely!).

Within "normal" limits, it does not matter which reel you use, or
whether you use one at all.

Your experiment might well result in the participants deciding that
they were using different rods. It is however entirely subjective, and
dependent on a number of factors.

Most problems with reels, at least in regard to the perceived weight,
arise because they are incorrectly attached to the rod, and thus
farther away from the rod hand than they should be.

You can test this quite easily. The further away from the reel you
grip your rod, the more "weight" you will perceive in use.

The closer your hand is to the reel, ( and assuming you do not
continuously allow your wrist to "break" uncontrollably), the less
"weight" you perceive. Even fairly large weight differences ( up to
several ounces), make little or no difference to the "balance" of the
gear, although of course the actual weight may indeed be greater.
"Balance" has in any case nothing at all to do with the actual weight
of any given set of equipment, but whether or not such equipment is
indeed compatible per se, for the task it is being expected to
accomplish.

In the majority of cases, the lightest reel suitable for the task at
hand is the best choice. Although if you need a reel with a lot of
backing capacity for instance, then you must perforce choose a larger,
and therefore heavier reel to start with.

Lastly, the ONLY fly-fishing equipment which is built to a set of
standard specifications, is the fly-line itself. The AFTM system
specifies these. No other tackle, rods, reels, or anything else, is
built to such specifications, and the "numbers" on such equipment are
merely abitrary recommendations from the manufacturers. There is
actually no such thing as a "standard" #8 reel for instance. Nor for
that matter a "standard" #8 rod!

All these numbers just confuse people anyway.

TL
MC