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Hi Warren,
We are selling imported TFO, Redington and Orvis rods now. The net effect for me and I imagine other fly shops is that we are finally selling rods to customers that would normally shop with Cabelas mail order or ecommerce. We have very nice import rods starting at $89 TFO in 2 pc and now $98 Orvis in 4 piece. This price point is making it easier for people to get into the sport or to try a different size outfit with out breaking the bank or getting divorced. When we sell fly tying thread for $1 a spool, who can say a $100 rod sale is going to be bad for my business????? The person that is going to buy the $100 rod was not thinking of buying a $600 rod when he came in the shop. We also sell lots of great mid-price US rods in the $300 range. I spent 10 years in the general fishing tackle business(1965-1975) before I opened my fly shop(1975) so all this price point stuff is standard retailing for me. Lots of anglers going on a $3000+ fishing trip will buy a high end Sage rod and then maybe a low end for a back up. I think that a trend will be that the big name US rod companies like Sage will have their low-medium priced rods made overseas (Redington connection) and then build their high end here. You are right about the "no name" rod companies. If you and I wanted to start a rod company, "Warren & Bill's Super Stiks", all we have to do is contact a rod factory in Korea, Taiwan or China and tell them what we want. This is happening. Anyone can do it with a little money. We have to be careful what rod companies we put in our shop because down the road, if the company is not here to warranty the rod, I have to make it good myself. This could get expensive. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com "Warren" wrote in message ... wrote... Imported rods are getting cheaper and better too, but Sage still can't produce enough new $600+ Xi2 rods to meet the current demand. Do you think that the brand name could be causing some of that? I would sooner trust a Sage than a unknown brand even though the unknown brand may cast and look just as good. Not being able to try the unknown brand or see them first hand causes me to have doubts and might sway me enough to spend the $600+ for the Sage. Do you see fly shops starting to carry more of these unknown rods in the future? -- Warren (use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email) For Conclave Info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt...nConclave.html |
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Because of the low-medium price market place that St.Croix (made in USA) is
in, they have probably been more negatively effected by the import rods than Sage. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com "George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:14:56 -0700, Warren wrote: wrote... I would guess that nearly every shop carries at least one line of imported rods. Redington is a good example. Temple forks are stirring a lot of interest. they are the rods that are selling in this downturn That trend doesn't seem to be very widespread up here yet. I know of one shop that carries Redington and another that carries St Croix. All the others have only high $ name brand rods. Not much of a selection for seven fly shops..... -- Warren (use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email) For Conclave Info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt...nConclave.html Harumph!!! St.Croix rods are not imported. Unless you consider Wisconsin a foreign country (Jeff, stay out of this.). The only reason they cost less is because us Cheeseheads aren't afraid of doing a little work. g.c. |
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Hi Walt,
I guess some people don't think they deserve a Sage XP rod with a Ross Evolution reel? Pretty smoken' stuff.................... -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com "walt winter" wrote in message ... Mike Connor wrote: Some of you may find this interesting; http://www.sexyloops.com/sparton/graphiterods.shtml TL MC thought provoking? pantload? who gives a ****? all i can say is that i'm happy as hell that my sage xp and ross evolution reel, loaded with sa wet-tip line backed with micron by cortland, performed flawlessly today with some bruisin cruisin catawbee imported german browns... ;-) happy new year all.... my first lovely of the year may well be talked about for many months... yeah baby! wally.... petah, the weemer is awesome but wally's blackie slayed 'em! |
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Fly Fish America has an article on rods costing less than $300. They state
that nearly 2/3's of the rods sold will be in this group. Of course, every major manufacturer hs at least one entry. Hard to say which are made in the USA "Bill Kiene" wrote in message . .. Hi Warren, We are selling imported TFO, Redington and Orvis rods now. The net effect for me and I imagine other fly shops is that we are finally selling rods to customers that would normally shop with Cabelas mail order or ecommerce. We have very nice import rods starting at $89 TFO in 2 pc and now $98 Orvis in 4 piece. This price point is making it easier for people to get into the sport or to try a different size outfit with out breaking the bank or getting divorced. When we sell fly tying thread for $1 a spool, who can say a $100 rod sale is going to be bad for my business????? The person that is going to buy the $100 rod was not thinking of buying a $600 rod when he came in the shop. We also sell lots of great mid-price US rods in the $300 range. I spent 10 years in the general fishing tackle business(1965-1975) before I opened my fly shop(1975) so all this price point stuff is standard retailing for me. Lots of anglers going on a $3000+ fishing trip will buy a high end Sage rod and then maybe a low end for a back up. I think that a trend will be that the big name US rod companies like Sage will have their low-medium priced rods made overseas (Redington connection) and then build their high end here. You are right about the "no name" rod companies. If you and I wanted to start a rod company, "Warren & Bill's Super Stiks", all we have to do is contact a rod factory in Korea, Taiwan or China and tell them what we want. This is happening. Anyone can do it with a little money. We have to be careful what rod companies we put in our shop because down the road, if the company is not here to warranty the rod, I have to make it good myself. This could get expensive. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com "Warren" wrote in message ... wrote... Imported rods are getting cheaper and better too, but Sage still can't produce enough new $600+ Xi2 rods to meet the current demand. Do you think that the brand name could be causing some of that? I would sooner trust a Sage than a unknown brand even though the unknown brand may cast and look just as good. Not being able to try the unknown brand or see them first hand causes me to have doubts and might sway me enough to spend the $600+ for the Sage. Do you see fly shops starting to carry more of these unknown rods in the future? -- Warren (use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email) For Conclave Info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt...nConclave.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/2003 |
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Bill states that anyone with a bit of money can get into the rod business.
In the recent article in Fly Fish America about rods costing less than $300, there are 42 companies listed that offer rods in this price range. Have you heard of , or seen, these lines of rods? Albright Biscayne Cam Sigler Castle Arms Falcon Gallatin Global Dorber March Brown North Fork Flies Rajeff Sports Rogue Rods Shelbyville Stone Creek Swede Industries Wof Creek Trading Wright & McGill This list doesn't include any of the British or European rod makers. I think that it is pretty safe to say, that some of these won't be around long, and what good is their warranty? I hope that a few have something special to offer besides price that will help them survive "Bill Kiene" wrote in message . .. Hi Warren, We are selling imported TFO, Redington and Orvis rods now. The net effect for me and I imagine other fly shops is that we are finally selling rods to customers that would normally shop with Cabelas mail order or ecommerce. We have very nice import rods starting at $89 TFO in 2 pc and now $98 Orvis in 4 piece. This price point is making it easier for people to get into the sport or to try a different size outfit with out breaking the bank or getting divorced. When we sell fly tying thread for $1 a spool, who can say a $100 rod sale is going to be bad for my business????? The person that is going to buy the $100 rod was not thinking of buying a $600 rod when he came in the shop. We also sell lots of great mid-price US rods in the $300 range. I spent 10 years in the general fishing tackle business(1965-1975) before I opened my fly shop(1975) so all this price point stuff is standard retailing for me. Lots of anglers going on a $3000+ fishing trip will buy a high end Sage rod and then maybe a low end for a back up. I think that a trend will be that the big name US rod companies like Sage will have their low-medium priced rods made overseas (Redington connection) and then build their high end here. You are right about the "no name" rod companies. If you and I wanted to start a rod company, "Warren & Bill's Super Stiks", all we have to do is contact a rod factory in Korea, Taiwan or China and tell them what we want. This is happening. Anyone can do it with a little money. We have to be careful what rod companies we put in our shop because down the road, if the company is not here to warranty the rod, I have to make it good myself. This could get expensive. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com "Warren" wrote in message ... wrote... Imported rods are getting cheaper and better too, but Sage still can't produce enough new $600+ Xi2 rods to meet the current demand. Do you think that the brand name could be causing some of that? I would sooner trust a Sage than a unknown brand even though the unknown brand may cast and look just as good. Not being able to try the unknown brand or see them first hand causes me to have doubts and might sway me enough to spend the $600+ for the Sage. Do you see fly shops starting to carry more of these unknown rods in the future? -- Warren (use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email) For Conclave Info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt...nConclave.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 |
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Greg Pavlov wrote:
"Sierra fisher" wrote: Have you heard of , or seen, these lines of rods? ... and Wright & McGill have been around for quite a while. ... Wright & McGill = Eagle Claw these days, right ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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One brother is still a consultant to Loomis, the other has a fly shop and
this line of rods "Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:39:15 -0800, "Sierra fisher" wrote: Have you heard of , or seen, these lines of rods? Falcon has been producing spinning/casting rods for at least 6 years. Global Dorber - a Canadian company - and Wright & McGill have been around for quite a while. Rajeff's brother works (worked ?) with Gary Loomis. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 |
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"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
... Bill states that anyone with a bit of money can get into the rod business. In the recent article in Fly Fish America about rods costing less than $300, there are 42 companies listed that offer rods in this price range. Have you heard of , or seen, these lines of rods? Albright Biscayne Cam Sigler Castle Arms etc I (and many of my friends) own Castle Arms rods (sold under the name Heritage Rods). Very nice imported rods. The owner of Castle Arms (Phil Castleman) is a member of my TU Chapter. |
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