"the" movie ...years later ... review
 

On Dec 18, 1:20*pm, Larry L wrote:
On Dec 17, 7:27*pm, DaveS wrote:

. Did
the Lolo stuff put you off? Yeah there were scary people like that.

Nothing really "put me off" ..... and nothing "turned me on"

As a lover of both fly fishing and the Mountain West, I expected the
latter .... given, as I said, the movies reputation for "causing" the
fly fishing fad in the years after it came out *... I expected to be
itching to go fishing in Montana after watching it ... I wasn't

UM, a bit more....

I don't look back on my own drunken, drugging, days as anything even
close to "romantic" ... I know too many that died, or otherwise wasted
their lives, *from that "romance" * * I don't dispute the accuracy of
a story basically about such waste and death, I just don't see the
reported appeal that would bring the masses charging to Montana, fry
rods in hand. * * *That story could have been set anywhere, ime, *and
been equally accurate

... and depressing because of that accuracy.

Maybe accuracy wasn't the sum total of the author's intent......or the
film maker's.

g.
who dares to further suppose that it may not be the sum total of their
accomplishment either.

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On Dec 19, 3:15*pm, Giles wrote:
On Dec 19, 12:52*pm, DaveS wrote:





There was a discussion of this a few years ago on ROFF. Seems i won a
bet against the composite/recurve being exclusively Mongol. And as I
recall (without offering footnotes for those requiring same), the
origin of the composite bows was attributed to a native American group
centered in the Yellowstone region, who manufactured these bows which
were traded East and West along the Great Road. I forget the kind of
wood they used (perhaps yew), or the glues, but I do remember that one
of the laminates in the composite were strips of de-laminated Big Horn
sheep horn.

And again from memory, no footnotes offered ;+) the powerful short
bows were particularly important for smashing an arrow thru the rib
cage of a bison from a horse, while the riders torso was slung under
the horses neck. The other key use was for killing Grizzly bears,
which at that point were denizens of the plains.

Associated with that discussion were some exchanges with a Roffian who
had Delaware (Lenni Lenape) in his ancestry and shared something of
their presence on the Southern Plains, My interest in the Lenni
Lenapes ties to my NJ youth. Their transformation and survival was
contra to the history we were taught in NJ. The Rocky Mountain fur
trade Delawares came from reservations in the Ohio Valley, and my bro
has said there was some Delaware presence in Wisconsin, although I
don't know where that might be. Both he and I married into part Native
blood.

As to "cavilling nonsense," and some such, . . . *never considered a
career in communications I gather? I try to control my own inner
Teuton, at least during the holidays. ;=)

Dave

I've spent nearly every waking moment of my life since early childhood
in studying communications. *No, I have never for a minute considered
ruining the great joy of my life with a career.

But then, that wasn't a serious question, was it? *And you know that I
don't have much trouble in making myself understood (when the mood
strikes me) or in ferreting out what meager nuggets of meaning lurk in
the dross that fills these pages......right?

For example, there are probably some folks here who think this
exchange has had something or other to do with Bernard DeVoto, James
Carnegie and/or William Drummond Stewart and (or maybe not) Alfred
Jacob Miller, recurved bows, art as an instructional device, plains
Indians (some of whom may or may not have come from somewhere else),
native inventiveness vs. commercial acquisition, the real west, etc.
But we know who this has really been all about, don't we?

g.
anyone who is still confused about this need look no further than the
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Ok well there it is. Merry Christmas.

Dave

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On Dec 19, 8:30*am, " wrote:
On Dec 18, 1:50*pm, Giles wrote:





On Dec 18, 3:33*pm, " wrote:

On Dec 18, 1:22*pm, Giles wrote:

On Dec 18, 12:32*pm, DaveS wrote:

I was referring to Bernard DeVoto, the historian and writer, and in
particular his 1947 book, "Across the Wide Missouri," focused on the
period 1833-1838, and the expedition headed by Willian Drummond
Stewart, who brought Alfred Jacob Miller an artist with him. The book
contains 96 repros, some in color of contemporaneous paintings by
Miller, Bodmer and Catlin.

This is a page on Stewart, the "second son . . . of Sir George
Steward, 17th. lord of Grandtully, fifth baronet of Murthly."

http://www.3rd1000.com/history3/biography/wdstewart.htm`

I clicked that link. *Got a page cannot be displayed error message.

Remove the extra character at the end of the URL, dumbass.

Why?

Moron.

g.

So you can read the text on the web site. Christ, you are one stupid
****.

You think it's something I need to read?

What's it about?

g.

"the" movie ...years later ... review
 

On Dec 19, 7:02*pm, DaveS wrote:


Ok well there it is. Merry Christmas.

Dave

Merry Christmas.

g.

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On Dec 19, 6:04*pm, Giles wrote:
On Dec 19, 8:30*am, " wrote:





On Dec 18, 1:50*pm, Giles wrote:

On Dec 18, 3:33*pm, " wrote:

On Dec 18, 1:22*pm, Giles wrote:

On Dec 18, 12:32*pm, DaveS wrote:

I was referring to Bernard DeVoto, the historian and writer, and in
particular his 1947 book, "Across the Wide Missouri," focused on the
period 1833-1838, and the expedition headed by Willian Drummond
Stewart, who brought Alfred Jacob Miller an artist with him. The book
contains 96 repros, some in color of contemporaneous paintings by
Miller, Bodmer and Catlin.

This is a page on Stewart, the "second son . . . of Sir George
Steward, 17th. lord of Grandtully, fifth baronet of Murthly."

http://www.3rd1000.com/history3/biography/wdstewart.htm`

I clicked that link. *Got a page cannot be displayed error message.

Remove the extra character at the end of the URL, dumbass.

Why?

Moron.

g.

So you can read the text on the web site. Christ, you are one stupid
****.

You think it's something I need to read?

What's it about?

g.- Hide quoted text -

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Only if you have more than a passing interest in the less known
currents of N. Amer first people. Self Test: If you know off hand what
Cahokia was or even Chaco Canyon you're probably interested. If
nothing comes to mind, , , , not worth it.

Its a fairly long, semi academic paper on the Tukudika, an extinct
unique hermit tribe of mountain people, mostly non horse, who made
mythical powerful bows of uncurled Bighorn, horn in the Yellowstone
country. First part is boring classification stuff on ethnicity and
language etc. The rest is very interesting per their bow, obsidian etc
technologies.

Dave

"the" movie ...years later ... review
 

On Dec 20, 2:14*am, DaveS wrote:
On Dec 19, 6:04*pm, Giles wrote:





On Dec 19, 8:30*am, " wrote:

On Dec 18, 1:50*pm, Giles wrote:

On Dec 18, 3:33*pm, " wrote:

On Dec 18, 1:22*pm, Giles wrote:

On Dec 18, 12:32*pm, DaveS wrote:

I was referring to Bernard DeVoto, the historian and writer, and in
particular his 1947 book, "Across the Wide Missouri," focused on the
period 1833-1838, and the expedition headed by Willian Drummond
Stewart, who brought Alfred Jacob Miller an artist with him. The book
contains 96 repros, some in color of contemporaneous paintings by
Miller, Bodmer and Catlin.

This is a page on Stewart, the "second son . . . of Sir George
Steward, 17th. lord of Grandtully, fifth baronet of Murthly."

http://www.3rd1000.com/history3/biography/wdstewart.htm`

I clicked that link. *Got a page cannot be displayed error message.

Remove the extra character at the end of the URL, dumbass.

Why?

Moron.

g.

So you can read the text on the web site. Christ, you are one stupid
****.

You think it's something I need to read?

What's it about?

g.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only if you have more than a passing interest in the less known
currents of N. Amer first people. Self Test: If you know off hand what
Cahokia was or even Chaco Canyon you're probably interested. If
nothing comes to mind, , , , not worth it.

Its a fairly long, semi academic paper on the Tukudika, an extinct
unique hermit tribe of mountain people, mostly non horse, who made
mythical powerful bows of uncurled Bighorn, horn in the Yellowstone
country. First part is boring classification stuff on ethnicity and
language etc. The rest is very interesting per their bow, obsidian etc
technologies.

Dave

Interesting. What shows up on my screen is a short biographical
sketch of William Drummond Stewart.

I've visited both Cahokia (about a 5-6 hour drive from here) and
Chaco, as well as numerous other archeological sites here in Wisconsin
(where 4,000 or so of an estimated 15,000-20,000 mounds built by what
I believe is referred to as the "Mississippian Culture" remain
extant.....the greatest concentration of such mounds anywhere in the
world, if memory serves) and in other places scattered around the
country. I've studied Native American cultures at the undergraduate
level and currently have a dozen or so books on their history and
various other aspects of their diverse cultures in my library.....and,
yes, I have read them. While engaged in a work/study job at UW
Stevens Point in central Wisconsin in the mid 80s, I shared office
space with the campus Native American Center. I spent a lot of time
talking to the some of folks there (not all of them.....things were
pretty tense sometimes due to an often very heated controversy over
native fishing rights).....got to know some of them pretty well. I've
won a grand total of $17 (U.S.) in one visit each to three seperate
First Nations owned and operated casinos.

My name, I've been told, translates easily and recognisably into many
Indian languages.....but I don't recall any of those I've heard.

g.

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On Dec 20, 4:17*am, Giles wrote:
On Dec 20, 2:14*am, DaveS wrote:





On Dec 19, 6:04*pm, Giles wrote:

On Dec 19, 8:30*am, " wrote:

On Dec 18, 1:50*pm, Giles wrote:

On Dec 18, 3:33*pm, " wrote:

On Dec 18, 1:22*pm, Giles wrote:

On Dec 18, 12:32*pm, DaveS wrote:

I was referring to Bernard DeVoto, the historian and writer, and in
particular his 1947 book, "Across the Wide Missouri," focused on the
period 1833-1838, and the expedition headed by Willian Drummond
Stewart, who brought Alfred Jacob Miller an artist with him.. The book
contains 96 repros, some in color of contemporaneous paintings by
Miller, Bodmer and Catlin.

This is a page on Stewart, the "second son . . . of Sir George
Steward, 17th. lord of Grandtully, fifth baronet of Murthly.."

http://www.3rd1000.com/history3/biography/wdstewart.htm`

I clicked that link. *Got a page cannot be displayed error message.

Remove the extra character at the end of the URL, dumbass.

Why?

Moron.

g.

So you can read the text on the web site. Christ, you are one stupid
****.

You think it's something I need to read?

What's it about?

g.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only if you have more than a passing interest in the less known
currents of N. Amer first people. Self Test: If you know off hand what
Cahokia was or even Chaco Canyon you're probably interested. If
nothing comes to mind, , , , not worth it.

Its a fairly long, semi academic paper on the Tukudika, an extinct
unique hermit tribe of mountain people, mostly non horse, who made
mythical powerful bows of uncurled Bighorn, horn in the Yellowstone
country. First part is boring classification stuff on ethnicity and
language etc. The rest is very interesting per their bow, obsidian etc
technologies.

Dave

Interesting. *What shows up on my screen is a short biographical
sketch of William Drummond Stewart.

I've visited both Cahokia (about a 5-6 hour drive from here) and
Chaco, as well as numerous other archeological sites here in Wisconsin
(where 4,000 or so of an estimated 15,000-20,000 mounds built by what
I believe is referred to as the "Mississippian Culture" remain
extant.....the greatest concentration of such mounds anywhere in the
world, if memory serves) and in other places scattered around the
country. *I've studied Native American cultures at the undergraduate
level and currently have a dozen or so books on their history and
various other aspects of their diverse cultures in my library.....and,
yes, I have read them. *While engaged in a work/study job at UW
Stevens Point in central Wisconsin in the mid 80s, I shared office
space with the campus Native American Center. *I spent a lot of time
talking to the some of folks there (not all of them.....things were
pretty tense sometimes due to an often very heated controversy over
native fishing rights).....got to know some of them pretty well. I've
won a grand total of $17 (U.S.) in one visit each to three seperate
First Nations owned and operated casinos.

My name, I've been told, translates easily and recognisably into many
Indian languages.....but I don't recall any of those I've heard.

g.- Hide quoted text -

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Its this one. . .

http://www.windriverhistory.org/exhi...sources/Domini...

Cahokia, the urban end of the distribution, the Tukudika people = the
hermit end ? .

Dave

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On Dec 20, 5:25*pm, DaveS wrote:

Its this one

http://www.windriverhistory.org/exhi...s/Dominick.pdf

Cahokia, the urban end of the distribution, the Tukudika people = the
hermit end ? .
Dave

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On Dec 20, 7:29*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Dec 20, 5:25*pm, DaveS wrote:

Its this one

http://www.windriverhistory.org/exhi...sources/Domini...

That one brings up a security alert.

Cahokia, the urban end of the distribution, the Tukudika people = the
*hermit end ? .

Huh?

g.

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On Dec 20, 6:10*pm, Giles wrote:
On Dec 20, 7:29*pm, DaveS wrote:

On Dec 20, 5:25*pm, DaveS wrote:

Its this one

http://www.windriverhistory.org/exhi...sources/Domini...

That one brings up a security alert.

Cahokia, the urban end of the distribution, the Tukudika people = the
*hermit end ? .

Huh?

g.

Yes, what a PITA. I get it sometimes, then not today with that addy.
Apparently the structure of the site (windriverhistory) has changed.
Im getting to a place with the addy below, where you can download the
1964 Dominick paper. The Wind River group now has lots of stuff on the
Sheep eaters that I hadn't seen befor.

http://www.windriverhistory.org/exhi...eepeaters.html

Dave