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So to sum up my thoughts, I think the "Glo-Bug" is very definitely a fly,
but the techniques often associated with it are not always fly-fishing.

Clark Reid
www.dryflynz.com

Well Clark I'm not sure I understand, calling it a fly but if you were
using this fly to fish with you would not be fly fishing hmmmm.
My take on the whole thing is this, in the best part of the fishing
season when fish are rising freely to mayfly, caddis and terrestrials
imitations well I don't tie on a Glo-bug. By the same token in the
middle of winter when nothing is rising and I am desperate to get my
fishing fix I don't tie on a delicate mayfly pattern.
After all part of the aim for me and I'm sure others of going fishing is
to catch fish. Because of this I do not have any ethical dilemmas when I
tie on a glo-bug behind a tungsten bead nymph and indicator.
My choice of indicator is for egg yarn - no longer than half an inch,
and a small metal split ring or sheep wool that I collect off barbed
wire fences, not budgies.
Honestly if I had a choice it would be dry fly time all year round, but
as that's not the case and I still want to get a bend in my rod and a
scream from my reel in winter I'll use a glo-bug on my fly rod and go
fly fishing

Not cheating fly fishing to the conditions.

Cheers
Andrew

P.S do you give them to clients when you are guiding Clark?

Egg patterns
 

"Salmo Bytes" wrote in message
om...
Buxc wrote in message
...
Is an egg pattern cheating? (Glo-bugs as we call them in N.Z)

RE round hot glue eggs.

It's easier to thread a translucent plastic bead
onto the tippet and then to snell a small egg
hook on the end of the leader...the whole rig
makes a great trailer to a WoollyBugger, FleshFly
or Egg Sucking Leech.

Is it cheating? Yes...according to purists.
But making purists squirm a little is half
the fun.

:)
Hi Salmo,
Met two guys this last week. (uhh. . .actually met a few more folks, but
not relevant here) One a shop owner, the other a previous guide in the Vail,
Colorado area. One of them only fished dry flies, and the other only fished
one dry fly pattern for all fishing (Irresistible), so he said.
Kinda like to keep my options open :)
But, I do have yarn eggs, McFlyFoam eggs, and glue gun eggs in some of my
fly boxes. (seems I use them for Kokanee salmon mostly)

And heck . . .I even catch a fish every now and then, by having such a
variety of patterns . . .and methods . . .who woulda thunk that could
happen? (bedazzling)
BestWishes,
DaveMohnsen
Denver

Egg patterns
 

"Salmo Bytes" wrote in message
om...
Buxc wrote in message
...
Is an egg pattern cheating? (Glo-bugs as we call them in N.Z)

RE round hot glue eggs.

It's easier to thread a translucent plastic bead
onto the tippet and then to snell a small egg
hook on the end of the leader...the whole rig
makes a great trailer to a WoollyBugger, FleshFly
or Egg Sucking Leech.

Is it cheating? Yes...according to purists.
But making purists squirm a little is half
the fun.

:)
Hi Salmo,
Met two guys this last week. (uhh. . .actually met a few more folks, but
not relevant here) One a shop owner, the other a previous guide in the Vail,
Colorado area. One of them only fished dry flies, and the other only fished
one dry fly pattern for all fishing (Irresistible), so he said.
Kinda like to keep my options open :)
But, I do have yarn eggs, McFlyFoam eggs, and glue gun eggs in some of my
fly boxes. (seems I use them for Kokanee salmon mostly)

And heck . . .I even catch a fish every now and then, by having such a
variety of patterns . . .and methods . . .who woulda thunk that could
happen? (bedazzling)
BestWishes,
DaveMohnsen
Denver

Egg patterns
 

Salmo Bytes wrote:

Buxc wrote:
Is an egg pattern cheating? (Glo-bugs as we call them in N.Z)

RE round hot glue eggs.
snip
Is it cheating? Yes...according to purists.
But making purists squirm a little is half
the fun.

And at least half the fun of being a purist is looking over the
top of your half-rims and softly reassuring the unpure that if
catching a fish is THAT important to you, I'm sure it's OK.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Egg patterns
 

If using streamers (immitating bait fish) is ok, then egg patterns are ok.
Whatever is on the trouts menu is ok, including all the mayflies, caddis,
stoneflies, etc in their nymphal stage is ok. If I am fishing and there are no
rising trout, no hatch, I will nymph, or in early spring chuck a streamer. I
prefer dry flies, but I know that they are only a small part of a trout's diet,
so I nymph when there is no hatch.

There is no such thing as a purist, just the uninformed, those that are not
willing to learn something new. My only objection to *kind* of fly fishing is
multiple fly rigs. I have fished drys with a nymph dropper, or a couple of
nymphs. But, I would prefer to fish only with one fly (dry, wet, nymph,
streamer) at a time. I know of one man on these pages who uses three nymphs
strung in a row. I'm sure it is a bitch to cast, but he seems happy with it,
so whatthehey.....

Only a pompous ass, like one who has passed before us, would look down is nose
at the fly of a fellow angler.

BTW,. nymphing is the most difficult of the ways to fish, far more difficult
than drifting a dry where you can see the drag. With dry fly fishing,. you
can *see* what they are eating. Not so with nymphing. You make an educated
guess by what you think may be ready to hatch. If you guess right, have your
drift down for that particular water (depth, speed, obstacles), you will catch
fish. It is much easier, however, to do the same thing with a dry.

On the Big Horn a year or so ago, I spotted a very nice brown sitting in a
current. I passed a hopper over him, and several nymphs were drifted by his
nose. I went to a smaller FC tippet and drifted another nymph by him. He
wouldn't touch anything. I finally tied on a nymph and on an imperfect cast,
the fish moved several feet to take the nymph. To me that was more exciting
than any dry fly fishing I've ever done.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

Egg patterns
 

If using streamers (immitating bait fish) is ok, then egg patterns are ok.
Whatever is on the trouts menu is ok, including all the mayflies, caddis,
stoneflies, etc in their nymphal stage is ok. If I am fishing and there are no
rising trout, no hatch, I will nymph, or in early spring chuck a streamer. I
prefer dry flies, but I know that they are only a small part of a trout's diet,
so I nymph when there is no hatch.

There is no such thing as a purist, just the uninformed, those that are not
willing to learn something new. My only objection to *kind* of fly fishing is
multiple fly rigs. I have fished drys with a nymph dropper, or a couple of
nymphs. But, I would prefer to fish only with one fly (dry, wet, nymph,
streamer) at a time. I know of one man on these pages who uses three nymphs
strung in a row. I'm sure it is a bitch to cast, but he seems happy with it,
so whatthehey.....

Only a pompous ass, like one who has passed before us, would look down is nose
at the fly of a fellow angler.

BTW,. nymphing is the most difficult of the ways to fish, far more difficult
than drifting a dry where you can see the drag. With dry fly fishing,. you
can *see* what they are eating. Not so with nymphing. You make an educated
guess by what you think may be ready to hatch. If you guess right, have your
drift down for that particular water (depth, speed, obstacles), you will catch
fish. It is much easier, however, to do the same thing with a dry.

On the Big Horn a year or so ago, I spotted a very nice brown sitting in a
current. I passed a hopper over him, and several nymphs were drifted by his
nose. I went to a smaller FC tippet and drifted another nymph by him. He
wouldn't touch anything. I finally tied on a nymph and on an imperfect cast,
the fish moved several feet to take the nymph. To me that was more exciting
than any dry fly fishing I've ever done.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

Egg patterns
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
If using streamers (immitating bait fish) is ok, then egg patterns are ok.

Streamers are made of fur and feathers, but yeah egg patterns are OK
(where legal) if that's what you want to do.

BTW,. nymphing is the most difficult of the ways to fish, far more difficult
than drifting a dry where you can see the drag. ...

Pure, unalduterated caca. Nymphing is so easy I've been in places
where if you go three drifts without catching a fish you know that
you've got moss on your fly. Been there, done that, but no more.
Anybody who says catching fish consistently with nymphs is more
difficult than catching fish consistently with dries doesn't know
jack **** about fishing either.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Egg patterns
 

Ken Fortenberry writes:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
If using streamers (immitating bait fish) is ok, then egg patterns are ok.

Streamers are made of fur and feathers, but yeah egg patterns are OK
(where legal) if that's what you want to do.

It's what they are immitating, not what they are made of. I have streamers
that have neither fur nor feather on them. They immitate bait fish. An egg
pattern also immitates another entree on the trout's menu.


BTW,. nymphing is the most difficult of the ways to fish, far more
difficult
than drifting a dry where you can see the drag. ...

Pure, unalduterated caca. Nymphing is so easy I've been in places
where if you go three drifts without catching a fish you know that
you've got moss on your fly. Been there, done that, but no more.
Anybody who says catching fish consistently with nymphs is more
difficult than catching fish consistently with dries doesn't know
jack **** about fishing either.

My, my, my. I seem to have hit a nerve, which indicates I was right on target.
Try nymphing in a moss and slime covered bottom (i.e. a tailwater which you
just *hate* to fish) stream like the Big Horn or Henry's Fork without getting
your hook fouled. *That* is part of the fishing, and if you can't do it (you
obviously can not), then ya ain't gonna catch fish. On three of my four trips
to Idaho and Montana, you wouldn't have caught jack **** because you didn't
know how. The dry fly is a wonderful way to fish, my preferred method, but
you, like a certain departed friend, are too stubborn to realize it. BTW, a
dry fly "purist" who goes steelheading is a hypotcrite. But, that's ok too.
d;o)


Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
gy.com:

Anybody who says catching fish consistently with nymphs is more
difficult than catching fish consistently with dries doesn't know
jack **** about fishing either.


A good fisherman with nymphs and dries in his ammo box will catch more fish
than a good fisherman with only dries.

This doesn't mean nymphing is easier-- its tougher because you can't see
your fly, and there's more currents to deal with. This doesn't make it
impossible, and I think the added fishing time when a hatch isn't going,
and a little experience, more than makes up for the added difficulty.

Scott

Egg patterns
 

Nymphs are what you use when you have dry fly fishing for about 3 hours and
haven't caught anything. It is one step above going home!

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Ken Fortenberry writes:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
If using streamers (immitating bait fish) is ok, then egg patterns are
ok.

Streamers are made of fur and feathers, but yeah egg patterns are OK
(where legal) if that's what you want to do.

It's what they are immitating, not what they are made of. I have
streamers
that have neither fur nor feather on them. They immitate bait fish. An
egg
pattern also immitates another entree on the trout's menu.


BTW,. nymphing is the most difficult of the ways to fish, far more
difficult
than drifting a dry where you can see the drag. ...

Pure, unalduterated caca. Nymphing is so easy I've been in places
where if you go three drifts without catching a fish you know that
you've got moss on your fly. Been there, done that, but no more.
Anybody who says catching fish consistently with nymphs is more
difficult than catching fish consistently with dries doesn't know
jack **** about fishing either.

My, my, my. I seem to have hit a nerve, which indicates I was right on
target.
Try nymphing in a moss and slime covered bottom (i.e. a tailwater which
you
just *hate* to fish) stream like the Big Horn or Henry's Fork without
getting
your hook fouled. *That* is part of the fishing, and if you can't do it
(you
obviously can not), then ya ain't gonna catch fish. On three of my four
trips
to Idaho and Montana, you wouldn't have caught jack **** because you
didn't
know how. The dry fly is a wonderful way to fish, my preferred method,
but
you, like a certain departed friend, are too stubborn to realize it.
BTW, a
dry fly "purist" who goes steelheading is a hypotcrite. But, that's ok
too.
d;o)


Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html