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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers August 10th, 2004 01:16 PM

Catch & Release
 

"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
.. .
I believe the same thing applies to farmlands and hunting. So if I own 500
acres... can I legally harvest deer from there 365 days a year? Nope!


Actually Charles, you can! If you have that 500 acres totally surrounded by
fence, there were no deer there to begin with, and you paid for the deer
that are now in there, you can hunt deer 365 days a year.

High fence operations do that all the time. AND, you don't need to have a
hunter's safety certificate, a hunting licence and you can use any weapon
that your little ol' heart desires.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com



Rodney August 10th, 2004 03:01 PM

Catch & Release
 
Charles B. Summers wrote:
I believe the same thing applies to farmlands and hunting. So if I own 500
acres... can I legally harvest deer from there 365 days a year? Nope!


Only if it is high fenced off so no wild deer can come onto the land,
and all deer there, you legally put on your land (imported), there are
no native deer there. (native wild deer are property of the state, as
they were not yours to start with, neither are their young, even if you
fence them in)

When a person builds a pound there is nothing there, everything must be
purchased and stocked by the land owner,, these are no longer wild
stock, the land owner owns the pound the water and everything in it,,
this is true for Texas, and for Alabama, it might not be true for
communist states (where the state claims ownership of anything they want to)

WHy argue with me about this ,, just look it up

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com


Rodney August 10th, 2004 03:45 PM

Catch & Release
 
go-bassn wrote:

I don't think you're going to find anyone here that's going to advocate you
"throwing away" a bass regardless of the circumstances.


That's one reason you have so few large bass in small compounds, we have
a state park here, that has a sign on it's three lakes to take every
bass out you catch, up to the 10 fish limit, that C&R has damaged the
fishing in these three lakes

I have a photo of that sign I can post to the other news group

These lakes are small, the biggest being 100 acres.

Game management requires just that, managing, and adjusting the slots
and limits to each body of water for the correct balance of sized fish

WHat's good on a 100,000 acre lake that has 1,000 fisherman fishing it a
day, is not good for a 10 acre farm pond with two fishermen fishing it
once a mouth.

Some here complain about all the little bass they catch, take out some
of those little bass and the others have food enough to become huge bass.

When I have caught 40 + bass in a day, and none over 2 lbs, then that
water is over stocked, it needs to be thinned out to grow some big ones,
I have had many 40+ days on small private lakes and ponds, and all of
them dinks, sure they are fun to catch, but I would have rather caught
10, 4 to 6 lb'ers, than 60, 1 lb'ers.

I think some of you guys like a lot of "Hungry" fish :-)

I like my bass well fed

In most of our private lakes now we take out everything under 2 lbs,
return the rest to keep growing, you won't/can't catch all the dinks, so
there will always be bass coming up to size, especially with all those
huge bass spawning every year
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com


Rodney August 10th, 2004 03:45 PM

Catch & Release
 
go-bassn wrote:

I don't think you're going to find anyone here that's going to advocate you
"throwing away" a bass regardless of the circumstances.


That's one reason you have so few large bass in small compounds, we have
a state park here, that has a sign on it's three lakes to take every
bass out you catch, up to the 10 fish limit, that C&R has damaged the
fishing in these three lakes

I have a photo of that sign I can post to the other news group

These lakes are small, the biggest being 100 acres.

Game management requires just that, managing, and adjusting the slots
and limits to each body of water for the correct balance of sized fish

WHat's good on a 100,000 acre lake that has 1,000 fisherman fishing it a
day, is not good for a 10 acre farm pond with two fishermen fishing it
once a mouth.

Some here complain about all the little bass they catch, take out some
of those little bass and the others have food enough to become huge bass.

When I have caught 40 + bass in a day, and none over 2 lbs, then that
water is over stocked, it needs to be thinned out to grow some big ones,
I have had many 40+ days on small private lakes and ponds, and all of
them dinks, sure they are fun to catch, but I would have rather caught
10, 4 to 6 lb'ers, than 60, 1 lb'ers.

I think some of you guys like a lot of "Hungry" fish :-)

I like my bass well fed

In most of our private lakes now we take out everything under 2 lbs,
return the rest to keep growing, you won't/can't catch all the dinks, so
there will always be bass coming up to size, especially with all those
huge bass spawning every year
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com


go-bassn August 10th, 2004 05:24 PM

Catch & Release
 
C&R has nothing to do with root of the problem, though it doesn't help
improve it. The lakes you speak of are out of balance as a result of a weak
link or links in their ecostystems. It also has nothing to do with the size
of the lakes either, as vast water bodies can be subject to imbalances as
well (although not as likely). Small lakes & ponds can & do have totally
healthy, balanced predator/prey populations for decades.

In your lakes bass are most likely the top predator. If they become stunted
& overpopulated it's a result of a weakness far below them in the food chain
that results in a significant lack of forage. This can be caused by lots of
things, from lack of nursery cover to overstocking of predatory species.
Basically everyone in there needs to eat when they're hungry.

Ceasing C&R practices is nothing more than a temporary fix, it does nothing
to solve the problem. And throwing away perfectly good bass is a rediculous
waste of a resource.

Warren

"Rodney" wrote in message
...
go-bassn wrote:

I don't think you're going to find anyone here that's going to advocate

you
"throwing away" a bass regardless of the circumstances.


That's one reason you have so few large bass in small compounds, we have
a state park here, that has a sign on it's three lakes to take every
bass out you catch, up to the 10 fish limit, that C&R has damaged the
fishing in these three lakes

I have a photo of that sign I can post to the other news group

These lakes are small, the biggest being 100 acres.

Game management requires just that, managing, and adjusting the slots
and limits to each body of water for the correct balance of sized fish

WHat's good on a 100,000 acre lake that has 1,000 fisherman fishing it a
day, is not good for a 10 acre farm pond with two fishermen fishing it
once a mouth.

Some here complain about all the little bass they catch, take out some
of those little bass and the others have food enough to become huge bass.

When I have caught 40 + bass in a day, and none over 2 lbs, then that
water is over stocked, it needs to be thinned out to grow some big ones,
I have had many 40+ days on small private lakes and ponds, and all of
them dinks, sure they are fun to catch, but I would have rather caught
10, 4 to 6 lb'ers, than 60, 1 lb'ers.

I think some of you guys like a lot of "Hungry" fish :-)

I like my bass well fed

In most of our private lakes now we take out everything under 2 lbs,
return the rest to keep growing, you won't/can't catch all the dinks, so
there will always be bass coming up to size, especially with all those
huge bass spawning every year
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com




go-bassn August 10th, 2004 05:24 PM

Catch & Release
 
C&R has nothing to do with root of the problem, though it doesn't help
improve it. The lakes you speak of are out of balance as a result of a weak
link or links in their ecostystems. It also has nothing to do with the size
of the lakes either, as vast water bodies can be subject to imbalances as
well (although not as likely). Small lakes & ponds can & do have totally
healthy, balanced predator/prey populations for decades.

In your lakes bass are most likely the top predator. If they become stunted
& overpopulated it's a result of a weakness far below them in the food chain
that results in a significant lack of forage. This can be caused by lots of
things, from lack of nursery cover to overstocking of predatory species.
Basically everyone in there needs to eat when they're hungry.

Ceasing C&R practices is nothing more than a temporary fix, it does nothing
to solve the problem. And throwing away perfectly good bass is a rediculous
waste of a resource.

Warren

"Rodney" wrote in message
...
go-bassn wrote:

I don't think you're going to find anyone here that's going to advocate

you
"throwing away" a bass regardless of the circumstances.


That's one reason you have so few large bass in small compounds, we have
a state park here, that has a sign on it's three lakes to take every
bass out you catch, up to the 10 fish limit, that C&R has damaged the
fishing in these three lakes

I have a photo of that sign I can post to the other news group

These lakes are small, the biggest being 100 acres.

Game management requires just that, managing, and adjusting the slots
and limits to each body of water for the correct balance of sized fish

WHat's good on a 100,000 acre lake that has 1,000 fisherman fishing it a
day, is not good for a 10 acre farm pond with two fishermen fishing it
once a mouth.

Some here complain about all the little bass they catch, take out some
of those little bass and the others have food enough to become huge bass.

When I have caught 40 + bass in a day, and none over 2 lbs, then that
water is over stocked, it needs to be thinned out to grow some big ones,
I have had many 40+ days on small private lakes and ponds, and all of
them dinks, sure they are fun to catch, but I would have rather caught
10, 4 to 6 lb'ers, than 60, 1 lb'ers.

I think some of you guys like a lot of "Hungry" fish :-)

I like my bass well fed

In most of our private lakes now we take out everything under 2 lbs,
return the rest to keep growing, you won't/can't catch all the dinks, so
there will always be bass coming up to size, especially with all those
huge bass spawning every year
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com




go-bassn August 10th, 2004 05:28 PM

Catch & Release
 
"Lure builder" wrote in message
...
i think there is a guiding principle for most anglers that
you don't let a fish go to spoil.


I'm embarrased to admit it, but you've said something here that makes, well,
sense.

ROTFLMAO, never thought I'd say that!

Warren



RGarri7470 August 10th, 2004 08:11 PM

Catch & Release
 
In Michigan, my pond or my lake means I own the hole, but once water enters
that hole, the state of Michigan has regulation over the water and the
wildlife that is in it or on it


Wow - glad I don't own property there - uh, you can own property? Or do you
just occupy it for the state?
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

RGarri7470 August 10th, 2004 08:12 PM

Catch & Release
 
I believe the same thing applies to farmlands and hunting.

Game animals and birds are different. They can move from one property to
another. Fish in my pond ain't likely to show up a mile away in public water.
Maybe if the is a big flood, but not normally.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

RGarri7470 August 10th, 2004 08:12 PM

Catch & Release
 
I believe the same thing applies to farmlands and hunting.

Game animals and birds are different. They can move from one property to
another. Fish in my pond ain't likely to show up a mile away in public water.
Maybe if the is a big flood, but not normally.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com


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