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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:44:02 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: That's a bull**** copout, a Republican bull**** copout. Leave the welfare of the poor, sick and elderly to private sector charities. Charities are all fine and good and if you want to donate to them good for you, but those who don't donate to charities are not unkind or heartless. And charitable donations are certainly not some sort of prerequisite for political office. Horse kaka coming from a socialist. Dave |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: That's a bull**** copout, a Republican bull**** copout. Leave the welfare of the poor, sick and elderly to private sector charities. Charities are all fine and good and if you want to donate to them good for you, but those who don't donate to charities are not unkind or heartless. And charitable donations are certainly not some sort of prerequisite for political office. Horse kaka coming from a socialist. Bottomline Louie, you can't tell a damn thing about a man's character by looking at how much, or how little, he donates to charity. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:57:23 -0500, Ken Fortenberry wrote: John Kerry is also a genuine hero but that didn't stop the Swift Boat lies. Yeah, with a PH from "friendly fire" when he was on coastal patrol, and a PH from "rice in the buttocks". A BS for picking up the Army officer out of the river after HE, KERRY, knocked the guy overboard with chicken**** maneuvers to get away from a fight. And if you think he deserved a SS for what he did, then every swinging dick grunt in Nam deserves one. He did nothing special. And heros get honorable discharges, not ones from a "board of officers". McCain is a hero. Period. And Obama is a nothing. Never has been anything and I pray he never will be anything. Of course Jo will retire if he is elected. We need to cut back on our taxes, being the unpatriotic Republicans that we are dontchaknow. Dave ....and so, my vote is for Jo's retirement. excellent!! an added purpose for my vote ...and one that will actually benefit your family too! g jeff |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:21:11 -0400, jeff miller
wrote: ...and so, my vote is for Jo's retirement. excellent!! an added purpose for my vote ...and one that will actually benefit your family too! g And perhaps we can wander down your way and do some salt. d;o) |
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On Oct 10, 3:19*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:34:51 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote: I'll withhold comment on Kerry, but you are full of **** on Biden. I can think of no more honest, decent man in the US Senate, period. A kind soul and good family man, you have utterly no clue what you are talking about.. You see, David, it's one thing to support whomever you wish. When you have to resort to made-up bull**** to justify your selection, it diminishes both your argument, and yourself..... Tom, check out how much money the man has contributed to charity. *It is almost zero. *With his wealth, it should be in the tens of thousands. *I think you can judge him by what is in his heart, and it sure as hell is not charity. *Check it out. *It had been on the news a week or so ago. * Dave You are a real dumb ****er LaCourse, money has nothing to do with character. However, being obsessed with it and fixated on it, and apparently compelled to try and impress others with it, as in your case, does have something to do with it, which indicates your lack of character. You can not see what is in people´s "hearts" (sic) by looking at what they do or don´t with their money, but when a dumb ****** like you continually spouts off about his money, ( coupled with other things), and indeed uses the fact to browbeat and belittle others, one gets a fairly good idea of their character. The very fact that you imagine money has anything at all to do with it indicates your stupidity and lack of character. You have no character to speak of LaCourse, and to men of character your money is in any case worthless. |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:06:13 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Bottomline Louie, you can't tell a damn thing about a man's character by looking at how much, or how little, he donates to charity. Really? Biden (and Kerry) would gladly spend my money on charity, but very little of their own. If you can not give to those less fortunate than yourself, can not make their day or week or month just a little bit better, then you have failed as a human being. Giving IS an indicator one one's character. To be selfish as Biden and Kerry have been is.... well, selfish. We don't need self serving politicians regardless which side of the aisle they are on. We need caring and loving politicians. Congress has become the ruling class. They are *above* giving of their own money to those less fortunate. They may as well say, "Let them eat cake." I see the misery in this country every week. I know a man, Mark LeP.... who lives under a bridge in Lowell, in a tent with his wife. He's without a job and relies *completely* on the charitable offerings of others. We give him plastic bags that he uses to line a bucket. That is their toilet. They tie the bag after every bm and throw it in a nearby dumster. They have found a gas station nearby that allows them to fill their water jugs. Do you think Kerry and Biden would change their little charitable hearts if they met Mark and his wife? Probably not. It is either in your heart, Ken, or it is not. And wich ever way it is, it speaks volumes about your character. Dave |
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On Oct 10, 4:06*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: That's a bull**** copout, a Republican bull**** copout. Leave the welfare of the poor, sick and elderly to private sector charities. Charities are all fine and good and if you want to donate to them good for you, but those who don't donate to charities are not unkind or heartless. And charitable donations are certainly not some sort of prerequisite for political office. Horse kaka coming from a socialist. Bottomline Louie, you can't tell a damn thing about a man's character by looking at how much, or how little, he donates to charity. -- Ken Fortenberry On occasion you make sense you nasty ****. One can of course tell a great deal about a man´s character by reading the lies and crap he writes about others. Which is why anybody with any sense knows you have no character whatever, merely an extremely inflated sense of your own dumb bigoted self-importance. |
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On Oct 10, 4:43*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:06:13 -0500, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Bottomline Louie, you can't tell a damn thing about a man's character by looking at how much, or how little, he donates to charity. Really? *Biden (and Kerry) would gladly spend my money on charity, but very little of their own. *If you can not give to those less fortunate than yourself, can not make their day or week or month just a little bit better, then you have failed as a human being. *Giving IS an indicator one one's character. *To be selfish as Biden and Kerry have been is.... well, selfish. *We don't need self serving politicians regardless which side of the aisle they are on. *We need caring and loving politicians. *Congress has become the ruling class. *They are *above* giving of their own money to those less fortunate. *They may as well say, "Let them eat cake." * I see the misery in this country every week. *I know a man, Mark LeP.... who lives under a bridge in Lowell, in a tent with his wife. He's without a job and relies *completely* on the charitable offerings of others. *We give him plastic bags that he uses to line a bucket. That is their toilet. *They tie the bag after every bm and throw it in a nearby dumster. *They have found a gas station nearby that allows them to fill their water jugs. * Do you think Kerry and Biden would change their little charitable hearts if they met Mark and his wife? *Probably not. *It is either in your heart, Ken, or it is not. *And wich ever way it is, it speaks volumes about your character. Dave What a ****ing idiotic hypocrite you are. You have spent a great deal of time here trying to make other people miserable, lying about them, denigrating them, and just generally being the nasty **** that you are. You don´t think anybody takes any of this ****ing nonsense you are writing here seriously do you? They would not do so even if it was sensible in the first place. You have demonstrated your character here you nasty ****, and it is disgracefully lacking. |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Bottomline Louie, you can't tell a damn thing about a man's character by looking at how much, or how little, he donates to charity. Really? ... Really. If you had half a brain you'd use this website: http://www.massresources.org/massach...service_d.html Get your friend under the bridge some real help, that's what government is for you know. I'm sure the state of Massachusetts can come up with something better than poop baggies. But, you're a real sweetheart for giving him poop baggies, really you are. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:21:11 -0400, jeff miller wrote: ...and so, my vote is for Jo's retirement. excellent!! an added purpose for my vote ...and one that will actually benefit your family too! g And perhaps we can wander down your way and do some salt. d;o) i'm all about wandering (or is that "wondering") and salt, as well; at least the kind that comes on the rim of a margerita... yfitons wayno |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:21:11 -0400, jeff miller wrote: ...and so, my vote is for Jo's retirement. excellent!! an added purpose for my vote ...and one that will actually benefit your family too! g And perhaps we can wander down your way and do some salt. d;o) anytime... however, the fishing i'm doing is not as easily done as you might imagine. i'm at harkers island now with friends...but it's a bit windy and rainy today, so lazing about. we've caught puppy drum, flounder, blues, and spanish. lizard fish (aka "preacher's d*cks") have been over-abundant...g... false albacore are beginning to show, but not the blitz we'll experience in a few weeks. jeff (earnestly hoping for jo's retirement) |
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"jeff miller" wrote in message m... Dave LaCourse wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:21:11 -0400, jeff miller wrote: ...and so, my vote is for Jo's retirement. excellent!! an added purpose for my vote ...and one that will actually benefit your family too! g And perhaps we can wander down your way and do some salt. d;o) anytime... however, the fishing i'm doing is not as easily done as you might imagine. i'm at harkers island now with friends...but it's a bit windy and rainy today, so lazing about. jefe: i plan on rolling in to harker's about cocktail hour on sunday. you'll be at the rental house, i assume... awh |
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DaveS wrote:
So are you tee hee implying that someone will kill him? Or that he might go hunting with "Sure shot" Cheney? Stop talking silly. You know I have put up with vaguely threatening right-wing intimidators all my life. Ive pledged myself to a new personal policy. Here it is: Next time someone threatens me physically for my political beliefs, no matter how cutesy they put it, and they are within reach, they are going to get the best smack I can deliver. I have found no one who didn't get much less threatening at the sight of their own blood. I know a lot of people with progressive politics who feel the same way I do. And I know a lot of fat ass-ed, pain-pill abusing, out of shape right-wing BSers who think no one will react violently to their threats, or that no one else in the room might be armed. The assassination of Obama would be followed by the end of right-wing politics in this country. Dave Old Progressive Hot Head No its about being able to look at history and the current state of the country.. It has nothing to do with Right-wing anything.. It has everything to do with the fact that there are a lot of those in this country ( however wrong they are ) that will not sit for a black president. I personally don't care if they are black, white, purple of anything there of... I married a minority and see no colors in people.. But there are groups out there that will not rest till he was dead if he was elected pres.. Ya know, Obama would never be able to get a job with the FBI or Secret service just for being associated with a known domestic terrorist, but he can become the President of US. Go figure... And how about Obama's people... The criminals that pushed us into this economic nightmare on Wall St.... Franklin Raines was a Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Fannie Mae. Raines was forced to retire from his position with Fannie Mae when auditing discovered severe irregulaties in Fannie Mae's accounting activities. At the time of his departure The Wall Street Journal noted, ' Raines, who long defended the company's accounting despite mounting evidence that it wasn't proper, issued a statement late Tuesday conceding that 'mistakes were made' and saying he would assume responsi bi lity as he had earlier promised. News reports indicate the company was under growing pressure from regulators to shake up its management in the wake of findings that the company's books ran afoul of generally accepted accounting prin ciples for four years .' Fannie Mae had to reduce its surplus by $9 billion. Raines left with a 'golden parachute valued at $240 Million in benefits. The Government filed suit against Raines when the depth of the accounting scandal became clear. http: //housingdoom. com/2006/ 12/18/fannie- charges/ .. Where is Raines now? Raines works for the Obama Campaign as Chief Economic Advisor.. Tim Howard - Was the Chief Financial Officer of Fannie Mae. Howard 'was a strong internal proponent of using accounting strategies that would ensure a 'stable pattern of earnings' at Fannie. In everyday English - He was cooking the books. The Government Investigation determined that, 'Chief Financial Officer, Tim Howard, failed to provide adequate oversight to key control and reporting functions within Fannie Mae,' On June 16, 2006, Rep. Richard Baker, R-La., asked the Justice Department to investigate his allegations that two former Fannie Mae executives lied to Congress in October 2004 when they denied manipulating the mortgage-finance giant's income statement to achieve management pay bonuses. Investigations by federal regulators and the company's board of directors since concluded that management did manipulate 1998 earnings to trigger bonuses. Raines and Howard resigned under pressure in late 2004 Howard's Golden Parachute was estimated at $20 Million! Tim Howard? Howard is also a Chief Economic Advisor to Obama Jim Johnson - A former executive at Lehman Brothers and who was later forced from his position as Fannie Mae CEO. A look at the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's May 2006 re por t on mismanagement and corruption inside Fannie Mae, and you'll see some interesting things about Johnson. Investigators found that Fannie Mae had hidden a substantial amount of Johnson's 1998 compensation from the public, reporting that it was between $6 million and $7 million when it fact it was $21 million.' Johnson is currently under investigation for taking illegal loans from Countrywide while serving as CEO of Fannie Mae.. Johnson's Golden Parachute was estimated at $28 Million. JIM JOHNSON? Johnson hired as a Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was selected to run Obama's Vice Presidential Search Committee Jim Johnson? Johnson Hired as a Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was selected to run Obama's vice presidential search committee... IF OBAMA PLANS ON CLEANING UP THE MESS - HIS ADVISORS HAVE THE EXPERTISE - THEY MADE THE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Would you trust the men who tore Wall Street down to build the New Wall Street ? Yup, Having Obama as Prez will make a big difference for the USA... Now that is change all right... |
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"jeff miller" wrote in message m... Dave LaCourse wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:21:11 -0400, jeff miller wrote: ...and so, my vote is for Jo's retirement. excellent!! an added purpose for my vote ...and one that will actually benefit your family too! g And perhaps we can wander down your way and do some salt. d;o) anytime... however, the fishing i'm doing is not as easily done as you might imagine. i'm at harkers island now with friends...but it's a bit windy and rainy today, so lazing about. jefe: i plan on rolling in to harker's about cocktail hour on sunday. you'll be at the rental house, i assume... awh perhaps...if not, the door will be open. as the last one appearing, you had default choice on beds...so you'll be sharing a room with jim. g it's the room with two beds on the first floor... bring your ear plugs. joe and i chose the floor upstairs rather than that empty bed...(we're each victims of PTJD - post traumatic jim disorder - and haven't your stamina or whatever innoculation you received). the house is great...much better than expected, except the oven isn't working, so you won't be able to bake cookies or anything. no need to pack your usual baking ingredients or special utensils. oh yeah...don't park on the grass. for some reason, the ayatollah of pintail drive has harsh punishment for lawn transgressors. .... look forward to seeing you again... jeff |
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Rick wrote:
DaveS wrote: So are you tee hee implying that someone will kill him? Or that he might go hunting with "Sure shot" Cheney? Stop talking silly. You know I have put up with vaguely threatening right-wing intimidators all my life. Ive pledged myself to a new personal policy. Here it is: Next time someone threatens me physically for my political beliefs, no matter how cutesy they put it, and they are within reach, they are going to get the best smack I can deliver. I have found no one who didn't get much less threatening at the sight of their own blood. I know a lot of people with progressive politics who feel the same way I do. And I know a lot of fat ass-ed, pain-pill abusing, out of shape right-wing BSers who think no one will react violently to their threats, or that no one else in the room might be armed. The assassination of Obama would be followed by the end of right-wing politics in this country. Dave Old Progressive Hot Head No its about being able to look at history and the current state of the country.. It has nothing to do with Right-wing anything.. It has everything to do with the fact that there are a lot of those in this country ( however wrong they are ) that will not sit for a black president. I personally don't care if they are black, white, purple of anything there of... I married a minority and see no colors in people.. But there are groups out there that will not rest till he was dead if he was elected pres.. Ya know, Obama would never be able to get a job with the FBI or Secret service just for being associated with a known domestic terrorist, but he can become the President of US. Go figure... And how about Obama's people... The criminals that pushed us into this economic nightmare on Wall St.... Franklin Raines was a Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Fannie Mae. Raines was forced to retire from his position with Fannie Mae when auditing discovered severe irregulaties in Fannie Mae's accounting activities. At the time of his departure The Wall Street Journal noted, ' Raines, who long defended the company's accounting despite mounting evidence that it wasn't proper, issued a statement late Tuesday conceding that 'mistakes were made' and saying he would assume responsi bi lity as he had earlier promised. News reports indicate the company was under growing pressure from regulators to shake up its management in the wake of findings that the company's books ran afoul of generally accepted accounting prin ciples for four years .' Fannie Mae had to reduce its surplus by $9 billion. Raines left with a 'golden parachute valued at $240 Million in benefits. The Government filed suit against Raines when the depth of the accounting scandal became clear. http: //housingdoom. com/2006/ 12/18/fannie- charges/ .. Where is Raines now? Raines works for the Obama Campaign as Chief Economic Advisor.. Tim Howard - Was the Chief Financial Officer of Fannie Mae. Howard 'was a strong internal proponent of using accounting strategies that would ensure a 'stable pattern of earnings' at Fannie. In everyday English - He was cooking the books. The Government Investigation determined that, 'Chief Financial Officer, Tim Howard, failed to provide adequate oversight to key control and reporting functions within Fannie Mae,' On June 16, 2006, Rep. Richard Baker, R-La., asked the Justice Department to investigate his allegations that two former Fannie Mae executives lied to Congress in October 2004 when they denied manipulating the mortgage-finance giant's income statement to achieve management pay bonuses. Investigations by federal regulators and the company's board of directors since concluded that management did manipulate 1998 earnings to trigger bonuses. Raines and Howard resigned under pressure in late 2004 Howard's Golden Parachute was estimated at $20 Million! Tim Howard? Howard is also a Chief Economic Advisor to Obama Jim Johnson - A former executive at Lehman Brothers and who was later forced from his position as Fannie Mae CEO. A look at the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's May 2006 re por t on mismanagement and corruption inside Fannie Mae, and you'll see some interesting things about Johnson. Investigators found that Fannie Mae had hidden a substantial amount of Johnson's 1998 compensation from the public, reporting that it was between $6 million and $7 million when it fact it was $21 million.' Johnson is currently under investigation for taking illegal loans from Countrywide while serving as CEO of Fannie Mae.. Johnson's Golden Parachute was estimated at $28 Million. JIM JOHNSON? Johnson hired as a Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was selected to run Obama's Vice Presidential Search Committee Jim Johnson? Johnson Hired as a Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was selected to run Obama's vice presidential search committee... IF OBAMA PLANS ON CLEANING UP THE MESS - HIS ADVISORS HAVE THE EXPERTISE - THEY MADE THE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Would you trust the men who tore Wall Street down to build the New Wall Street ? Yup, Having Obama as Prez will make a big difference for the USA... Now that is change all right... jeezus, is there some special e-mail list y'all get on for the purpose of concocting and disseminating that tired stuff?? |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:57:48 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Bottomline Louie, you can't tell a damn thing about a man's character by looking at how much, or how little, he donates to charity. Really? ... Really. If you had half a brain you'd use this website: http://www.massresources.org/massach...service_d.html Get your friend under the bridge some real help, that's what government is for you know. I'm sure the state of Massachusetts can come up with something better than poop baggies. But, you're a real sweetheart for giving him poop baggies, really you are. He's been that route, Ken. He's received very little help from the "government". All the help he is now getting is from charitable giving. Period. His wife is trying to get on SSI. You don't disappoint; I figured you would denigrate the plastic bag thingy. It is all he has and you could give a **** (pun intended). Perhaps you could hit up Biden for a little money. Dave |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:28:19 -0400, jeff miller
wrote: jeff (earnestly hoping for jo's retirement) Not as much as I am. d;o) Got an e-mail from Waldo about doing the salt. I was planning on going south this winter, but with the drop in the market, I doubt I'll be going. Might wander down your way. We'll see.... Dave |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:01:20 -0400, jeff miller
wrote: (we're each victims of PTJD - post traumatic jim disorder - and haven't your stamina or whatever innoculation you received). I suffered from that for several nights, topped off with Peter Charles' nocturnal rhythms. Dave |
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... "Calif Bill" wrote in : Obama will probably be the next POTUS. And we are screwed as a country. We are screwed with McCain, but even more so with Obama. It's going to take big talent to screw us any more than we're screwed right now. -- Scott Reverse name to reply And whose fault is it? Do not regurgitate it is Bush's fault. Give me the reasons. The Congress has been Democrat controlled for the past year. They did nothing about the coming meltdown. Fact is they went against regulating F$F. Part of this is a carry over from the Dot.bomb meltdown. Greenspan, probably the worst Fed Chairman ever, freed up way too much money after he let the unbridled enthusiasm in the stock market get way out of control. Plus the SEC and Congress let the "Credit Swaps" really go uncontrolled. $67 trillion in "Credit Swaps". What is that about 6 times our GDP? Enough blame to go around that we should toss every Congress Critter out on their ass without their excess pensions. But, no we are going to have 1 of the Congress Critters as our next POTUS. We have met the enemy and it is us. |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... Honest? Give me a break. Look up plagiarism. in a 30-plus year career, all anyone can STILL dig up is one plagerized paper, and speech. You should be so honest..... Tom Dig a little deeper. He is protected. He is a Senator. Look at how Congress protects their own. Jefferson, gets caught using the National Guard to retrieve $90k from his freezer and gets chairmanship of the committee that controls those who would look into it. |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: http://www.massresources.org/massach...service_d.html Get your friend under the bridge some real help, that's what government is for you know. I'm sure the state of Massachusetts can come up with something better than poop baggies. But, you're a real sweetheart for giving him poop baggies, really you are. He's been that route, Ken. He's received very little help from the "government". All the help he is now getting is from charitable giving. Period. Something doesn't smell right with that story. I think you've been had, Louie. If I were you I wouldn't give that deadbeat any more poop baggies until he started to look for a job. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... Tom, check out how much money the man has contributed to charity. It is almost zero. With his wealth, it should be in the tens of thousands. I think you can judge him by what is in his heart, and it sure as hell is not charity. Check it out. It had been on the news a week or so ago. his wealth?? Not really all that much, especially by Delaware standards. I'll stand by what I said, as to his character. You would be wise to disregard much of what you seem to 'hear' in the 'news'. Tom |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:53:21 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: http://www.massresources.org/massach...service_d.html Get your friend under the bridge some real help, that's what government is for you know. I'm sure the state of Massachusetts can come up with something better than poop baggies. But, you're a real sweetheart for giving him poop baggies, really you are. He's been that route, Ken. He's received very little help from the "government". All the help he is now getting is from charitable giving. Period. Something doesn't smell right with that story. I think you've been had, Louie. If I were you I wouldn't give that deadbeat any more poop baggies until he started to look for a job. Nope. There is a whole set of "campers" on the north shore of the Merrimack River in Lowell. They've been there for a couple of years. Mark and his wife are new arrivals - about six weeks now. People come and go as their luck changes. Some are just professional bums, but many, like Mark and his wife, are homeless and get little care from the government. He *does* work when he can find it. He is a sheetrock guy... installs sheet rock in new construction, upgrades, etc. And, from what I understand, he is very good at it. Right now, however, he depends on the generousity of others. The government (FDA) presently supplies a can of green beans, fruit cocktail, pineapple juice (big can), can of chicken noodle soup, and a small can of tuna fish per person per month. That is not a helluva lot of food from FDA *for a month*. We give them more than enough food for one week/person. A family of five will walk out of there with three banana boxes filled with canned food, cereal, fresh veggies, fresh fruit, starches (rice/macaroni), toilet paper, hygenic needs, and one pound of meat per person. They can visit our facility once. However, there are three more facilities in the city that they can, and do, visit. And of this is provided by the generousity of others. Without it, people would go hungry. The government was never meant to be the solution to every problem in our society. Some solutions must come from the people themselves. Dave |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: http://www.massresources.org/massach...service_d.html Get your friend under the bridge some real help, that's what government is for you know. I'm sure the state of Massachusetts can come up with something better than poop baggies. But, you're a real sweetheart for giving him poop baggies, really you are. He's been that route, Ken. He's received very little help from the "government". All the help he is now getting is from charitable giving. Period. Something doesn't smell right with that story. I think you've been had, Louie. If I were you I wouldn't give that deadbeat any more poop baggies until he started to look for a job. Nope. ... I'm not buying that cock and bull, Louie. You can't tell me that the only safety net for the indigent in the state of Massachusetts is one can of FDA tuna per month. I even provided you with the web site which proves otherwise. The government was never meant to be the solution to every problem in our society. Some solutions must come from the people themselves. We don't disagree on that, but it is the responsibility of citizens in a civilized society to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves. Indeed, that is one measure of a civilized society. Donate to charity if you want, but don't forget that the government has a responsibility to the unfortunate among us. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:04:35 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: I'm not buying that cock and bull, Louie. You can't tell me that the only safety net for the indigent in the state of Massachusetts is one can of FDA tuna per month. I even provided you with the web site which proves otherwise. You figure it out: They are allowed one trip to the facility a month. We are allowed one can of tuna fish/person for that trip. That is FDA money/product. *Sometimes* (like last week), we will have FDA meat in the form of ham or turkey. Last week we had 3 lb hams provided by FDA (read: free). There are other programs. There has to be (should be), but sometimes folks do not meet the requirements. We feed more than 150 families a week. It has been steady for the past two years. That means that we are feeding somewhere around 400 to 450 people a week. Consistently. You don't believe me, check into a food patry in your home town. There is one in mine, run by the Catholic Church in town. I choose to drive to Lowell, about 30 miles away, because I know the folks who run it. There are food pantries in most good size towns. Hell, even better, volunteer. You'll probably meet some conservatives that you will instantly like. Dave (I will afford you this courtesy: On Tuesday I will ask those that run the pantry exactly why the "tent people" can not get other aid, or if they actually do. I know for sure that Mark and his wife's appearance has gone down hill in the past month. When I first met him he was clean, shaved, and his clothes were fresh. Now he is dirty, with a filthy beard, and he smells. I guess camping out for a few weeks doesn't do much for your appearance. Taking all your craps in a plastic bag lined pail can't be helping either.) |
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~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
Beneath Obama's flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American economy. Obama plans to return to the failed policies of high taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending. Worse, Obama says he is absolutely committed to almost doubling the capital gains rate — something he will easily accomplish with a Democrat Congress. In the coming months — when investors realize that Obama will raise the cap gains rate — there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Obama's doubling of the tax rates next year. "Wreak havoc on the American economy." Good one. Not that I don't think failed economic policies *could* lead to a stampede of asset sales, mind you....... g After 21 Jan 09, Dow could fall from, oh, 1000 to 500 maybe. - JR |
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Kevin Vang wrote:
In article , says... Tom, check out how much money the man has contributed to charity. It is almost zero. Um, where are you getting your numbers? Tax returns? I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Our family, for example, donates a bit of money to various charities, but I've never bothered to declare it as a tax deduction. After all, a noted authority once said that when you give to charity, the left hand shouldn't know what the right hand is doing. No, don't you know unless you brag about how much you give, on, say, Usenet forums, for example, it doesn't count? 'Course, you might, as a graduate of Columbia, work as a community organizer for next to nothing, but that wouldn't count either, because working with and for the urban poor is just something to make fun of...... - JR |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:04:24 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote: his wealth?? Not really all that much, especially by Delaware standards. I'll stand by what I said, as to his character. You would be wise to disregard much of what you seem to 'hear' in the 'news'. Well, I could do well to disregard what I hear on NBC and CBS, and the NY Times, it was one of those sources that originally broke the sad news about Generous Joe. The man makes more that Joe Sixpack, and Joe Sixpack gives more to charity. Biden makes in excess of $200K/year. That is wealthy in my book. If I can give $xxxx/year to charity, it should be no problem for Biden to also do. READ IT, Tom. http://taxingtennessee.blogspot.com/...taxpayers.html Your hero is a cheap skate, more concerned with his own well being than those around him. Read it! He's even a cheaper ******* than Kerry, and I thought that was impossible. Dave |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:01:43 -0500, Kevin Vang
wrote: Tax returns? Tax returns should be accurate. No one in the Biden camp has denied the numbers. Before Kerry was running for potus his "largess" was well known; it amounted to less than 1/2 of 1% of his total income of $300K/year. When he ran for potus, he managed to correct that figure to somewhere up the scale where it should have been all along. Coincidental? Or planned so that he would look a little bit more human. We are talking about the ruling class, Kevin, not about you and me and the rest of the country. Ruling Class. The Bidens, Kennedys, Kerrys, et al. "Let them eat cake." Dave |
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Oh, yeah, forgot: If this was Palin or McCain, the press and YOU
would have a field day with it. Biden is a cheap *******. As is John Effin Kerry! Dave |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:59:56 -0500, Kevin Vang
wrote: I ain't no tax lawyer, but I'm pretty sure you're not REQUIRED to declare your charitable donations on your tax returns. If you don't want the deduction, you are free to leave that line blank. -- What you have to ask yourself, Kevin, is: Would I have this same argument and defend it if the person was Palin or mcCain. I doubt that very much. You are making excuses. Biden consistently gave around $300/year, year after year, until last year when he gave a more acceptable (but still cheap) $1000. The same thing happened when Kerry ran for potus; he upped his giving. They are the Ruling Class. The Ruling Class does not need to give of their monies; they just vote more taxes. Dave |
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:29:19 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: . because Dave's idea of political discourse is to lie. And you're a liar. I have said repeatedly that Cleland was/is a hero. He has a SS which he EARNED. Unfortunately, he did NOT earn the PH that he claimed on his web site. His horrific injuries were caused by a grenade that fell off of someone's belt. That kind of accident happens even in peace time at training facilities. The PH is for being wounded *by enemy fire* in a war zone. So, YOU are the liar. Dave |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: I'm not buying that cock and bull, Louie. You can't tell me that the only safety net for the indigent in the state of Massachusetts is one can of FDA tuna per month. I even provided you with the web site which proves otherwise. You figure it out: ... Already did that. If you want to believe that your largesse is the sole reason some people in Massachusetts don't starve to death you go right ahead and believe it. Just don't expect that I will. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Oct 11, 4:10*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:59:56 -0500, Kevin Vang wrote: I ain't no tax lawyer, but I'm pretty sure you're not REQUIRED to declare your charitable donations on your tax returns. *If you don't want the deduction, you are free to leave that line blank. -- What you have to ask yourself, Kevin, is: *Would I have this same argument and defend it if the person was Palin or mcCain. *I doubt that very much. *You are making excuses. *Biden consistently gave around $300/year, year after year, until last year when he gave a more acceptable (but still cheap) $1000. *The same thing happened when Kerry ran for potus; he upped his giving. *They are the Ruling Class. The Ruling Class does not need to give of their monies; they just vote more taxes. * Dave You are not "having an argument" LaCourse, you are merely continuing to spout rubbish about a man who may just be careful with his money, or may not even declare charitable works/donations on his tax returns. Many don´t, because the reason they donate in the first place is not to set off their taxes, but to help people. Also, and another thing you seem quite unable to grasp, giving money ( or indeed "****bags"!), does not really help anybody much, or for very long. Although it may help tide them over temporarily in an emergency. The only way to help such people in any sensible way is to ensure that they have the opportunity to get education, jobs, and social security, and thus to help themselves. Having to depend on dubious charity from people like you is demeaning in the extreme. The more one reads here about your ideas and attitudes to politics and other things, the more it becomes clear that you and others like you are a major part of the problem. Small minded bull**** is apparently more important to you than seeing your country run properly. YOU are the "ruling class" LaCourse, and that is why things have gone to hell. You are an ignorant, arrogant,self-centred ****bag. It seems you "donate" in order to brag about it. That is not donating LaCourse, it is obviously in your case the sad attempt to "buy approval" from those you consider your peers, or once again to browbeat and belittle others with your "generosity". Lastly, giving somebody money or food, although it may or may not be generous per se, and sometimes necessary to help them out, when you are in a position to do so, doing it all the time merely makes them dependent on you, and does not solve their problems. |
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On Oct 9, 8:20*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
Beneath Obama's flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American economy. Obama plans to return to the failed policies of high taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending. Worse, Obama says he is absolutely committed to almost doubling the capital gains rate — something he will easily accomplish with a Democrat Congress. Better the "failed policies" of taxation to pay for spending (a la Clinton) then the failed policies of borrowing from China, Saudi Arabia, et al to pay for the huge "expansion of government spending" of this administration. In the coming months — when investors realize that Obama will raise the cap gains rate — there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Obama's doubling of the tax rates next year. We've had a hell of a stampede without it. Might as well hit them up for some cash on the way out, help to offset the investor bailout. |
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On Oct 10, 2:20*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
Beneath Obama's flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American economy. Obama plans to return to the failed policies of high taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending. Worse, Obama says he is absolutely committed to almost doubling the capital gains rate — something he will easily accomplish with a Democrat Congress. In the coming months — when investors realize that Obama will raise the cap gains rate — there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Obama's doubling of the tax rates next year. It is quite amazing how stupid you people are, and your total failure to grasp even simple economic facts is quite astounding. Your readiness, indeed eagerness, to inflict violence on others who do not see things as you do is also an indication of how stupid and dangerous you are. The simple fact that all these parasites and politicians ride on your backs because you allow it, and that money is the means by which they do it, apparently escapes you. Money itself is useless and intrinsically worthless, it is merely a medium of exchange. You can not eat it or breathe it, it will hot help you when you are ill, at any particular time it is only worth what others are willing to exchange for it. Really severe problems arise when most people acquire large amounts of money, because they confuse the money they possess with what they are actually worth, this is especially so when they acquire far beyond what they may be worthy of, or capable of using properly. Misuse of money and power is the single main reason for all the problems in the world, ( religious bull**** is probably a poor second). Instead of asking yourselves and others something like, "How can we ensure that life is good for all", your questions are always along the lines of "How can I ensure that I get a bigger slice of the cake". You also see nothing wrong in politicians and others who operate more or less solely on this principle. Quite a few of you are also obviously quite convinced that denigrating others makes you better than them, or meets with the approval of those you consider your peers. You have nothing even remotely sensible to suggest or implement, but you are constantly ready and eager to attack and destroy others. Your party political and other ideological ****e underlines your inherent stupidity. These things are what allow others to control you, and your spouting of it illustrates most graphically how effective it is in doing so. Learn to think for yourself. |
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On Oct 10, 5:28*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:28:24 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: On Oct 10, 11:11*am, "Bob Weinberger" wrote: Oh. I believe you. In fact I made some nice change shorting some issues before things went into complete freefall. Actualy I look at the present situation as a buying opportunity, but I don't want to move too soon or abruptly. My questions were in response to beancounter's prediction of a the liklihood of a stampede to sell assets in anticipation of an increase in capital gains taxes. *The profits I referred to are the type of long term capital gain profits he was talking about. The number of people, who have made long term capital gains in this market and for whom the threat of increased taxes thereon would tip their decision to sell, are not numerous enough to constitute a "stampede" . Bob Weinberger . wrote in message . .. On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:36:40 -0700, "Bob Weinberger" wrote: "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message ... swnip In the coming months - when investors realize that Obama will raise the cap gains rate - there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Obama's doubling of the tax rates next year. As compared to the current stampede? With the exception of precious metals and possibly a few other tangible assets, what profits? Bob Weinberger Bob, trust me on this or don't, but there is ALWAYS honest profit to be made in any market - if someone is losing money, someone is making it. |
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On Oct 11, 7:48*am, riverman wrote:
On Oct 10, 5:28*pm, wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:28:24 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote: On Oct 10, 11:11*am, "Bob Weinberger" wrote: Oh. I believe you. In fact I made some nice change shorting some issues before things went into complete freefall. Actualy I look at the present situation as a buying opportunity, but I don't want to move too soon or abruptly. My questions were in response to beancounter's prediction of a the liklihood of a stampede to sell assets in anticipation of an increase in capital gains taxes. *The profits I referred to are the type of long term capital gain profits he was talking about. The number of people, who have made long term capital gains in this market and for whom the threat of increased taxes thereon would tip their decision to sell, are not numerous enough to constitute a "stampede" . Bob Weinberger . wrote in message . .. On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:36:40 -0700, "Bob Weinberger" wrote: "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message ... swnip In the coming months - when investors realize that Obama will raise the cap gains rate - there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Obama's doubling of the tax rates next year. As compared to the current stampede? With the exception of precious metals and possibly a few other tangible assets, what profits? Bob Weinberger Bob, trust me on this or don't, but there is ALWAYS honest profit to be made in any market - if someone is losing money, someone is making it. Hell, if it weren't for the "Great Depression," you very well might have never heard of Joe Kennedy and his spawn. *And we made money in October '87, which was another supposed "end of the world." *In fact, if they listened to me, at least two ROFFians made something on the order of 25% on whatever they invested in the last coupla months. *Hell, I'm up about 65% or so on the year. HTH, R ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Especially, if I am not mistaken, because you don't actually owe any cap gains UNTIL you sell. Why folks would choose to dump assets and invoke taxes to avoid invoking taxes is beyond me.... That doesn't surprise me... IAC, let's assume all assets are long-term (over 1 year) and not worry about net CG - the concept is the same...capital loss can offset capital gain, so if you, for example, bought GM at 50 and can plainly see it ain't getting anywhere near that during the current tax year, the next year, or until you plan to sell it, you can take the hit now and have the capital loss to offset a capital gain. *And/or if you are currently in a lower tax bracket but know that you won't be in the next year, that can come into play - 5% versus 15%. *That, combined with carrying forward (and back, for a company or against other income, with limits, for an individual ) can make selling at loss, well, less painful. *Now, if you believe (or in some cases, know) that your capital gain tax consequences (again, long term, as the short term rates being affected and coming into play is really doubtful given the timeframe involved) are going to increase and you have an asset that you believe will not gain enough to cover the rise in LTCG tax during the period before the rise in LTCG tax, it would make sense to sell and be taxed at 5 or 15% now rather than a higher rate later, esp. if you are wanting to liquidate to cash or other instruments with tax benefits anyway. HTH, R ...and the fact that (prudent) investors have to know this kind of gobbledygook is one of the reasons that the US tax system needs a MAJOR overhaul... --riverman- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, I understand selling at a loss to offset gains elsewhere, or to ameliorate windfalls in the future, but as Bob says: I don't think the number of people looking at selling LT investments now to shelter their profits against CG taxes is significant enough to change the current market trend. In fact, I bet there are a lot more people who have been in for the short- or medium term who would be more motivated by an increased CG tax to hold on and try to recover their ST losses. The real losers will be the people set to retire in 3-5 years. They will have lost a ton of value in the current crash, then get hit with a large CG tax when they withdraw the rest. Hopefully they don't have all their eggs in one basket... In any case, its a fart in a hurricane. --riverman One fart in a hurricane is doubtless of little consequence, unless it is really noxious and you happen to be close. 700 billion farts drown out the hurricane itself, and more and more farts are swelling this particular disturbance, and more and more people are ****ting themselves trying to avoid farting too hard. The global economic collapse is accelerating, and there is as yet no end in sight. There may be a few who actually profit short term from various disasters, but eventually the results of this global economic failure will have disastrous effects on just about everybody. It has already had disastrous effects on a very large number of people, and is continuing to do so. This is because these systems are based on trust and control. Loss of trust causes them to spiral out of control, and further decreases trust, causing more loss of control. This devalues everything upon which the system is based, so even "profit" made on such speculations is eventually diminished or simply negated, along with a devaluation of the initial assets. This is an inevitable consequence of too many farts. |
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