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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:32:55 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:25:29 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

We're all going to have to sacrifice but I don't buy into the notion
that this economic catastrophe can be attributed to the citizenry.
That sounds like George Will pontificating from on high and it's just
flat out wrong. This catastrophe was caused by a lack of regulatory
oversight. It wasn't the poor schmuck who bought more home than he
could afford, it was the bankers who called that 'C' rated mortgage
a 'AAA' rated mortgage and the so-called regulators who let them get
away with it that are at the bottom of this pyramid. Take thousands
of such mortgages, bundled them up, sell them as if they're 'AAA' nine
or ten times, leverage them some hundred fold as derivatives and then
stand back and watch Lehman Bros. bite the dust. Don't blame this on
the citizenry.

Exactamundo. And the failure of F and F can be attributed to those
who had oversight on them, namely Barney, Dodd, Obama, et al. I can
still see the clip of Barney in 2006 saying, "There is nothing wrong
with F and F. They are doing well." Horse caca!

Dave

Let's get this straight: the USA has officially been in recession since
December of 2007. At that point, the Democrats had been in control for less
than a year. Otoh, the Republicans had been in control since 1994 - over 12
years at the helm, before they were kicked to the curb by popular revolt.

Only a complete moron would stick with the bull**** line that the trillions of
dollars of dubious loans - personal and commercial - that have sunk the
banking system (estimates run as high as 16 trillion dollars of "toxic debt")
was rung up in less than a year.

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The Truth wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
We're all going to have to sacrifice but I don't buy into the notion
that this economic catastrophe can be attributed to the citizenry.
That sounds like George Will pontificating from on high and it's just
flat out wrong. This catastrophe was caused by a lack of regulatory
oversight. It wasn't the poor schmuck who bought more home than he
could afford, it was the bankers who called that 'C' rated mortgage
a 'AAA' rated mortgage and the so-called regulators who let them get
away with it that are at the bottom of this pyramid. Take thousands
of such mortgages, bundled them up, sell them as if they're 'AAA' nine
or ten times, leverage them some hundred fold as derivatives and then
stand back and watch Lehman Bros. bite the dust. Don't blame this on
the citizenry.
Exactamundo. And the failure of F and F can be attributed to those
who had oversight on them, namely Barney, Dodd, Obama, et al. I can
still see the clip of Barney in 2006 saying, "There is nothing wrong
with F and F. They are doing well." Horse caca!

Let's get this straight: the USA has officially been in recession since
December of 2007. At that point, the Democrats had been in control for less
than a year. Otoh, the Republicans had been in control since 1994 - over 12
years at the helm, before they were kicked to the curb by popular revolt.

Only a complete moron would stick with the bull**** line that the trillions of
dollars of dubious loans - personal and commercial - that have sunk the
banking system (estimates run as high as 16 trillion dollars of "toxic debt")
was rung up in less than a year.

And only a complete moron would claim that Freddie and Fannie were
more than a drop in the whole toxic bucket. But there's no use trying
to explain reality to Louie because reality has a liberal bias. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
This catastrophe was caused by a lack of regulatory
oversight. It wasn't the poor schmuck who bought more home than he
could afford, it was the bankers who called that 'C' rated mortgage
a 'AAA' rated mortgage and the so-called regulators who let them get
away with it that are at the bottom of this pyramid.

to absolve the greedy yuppies and wannabes of any responsibility for buying
**** they couldn't afford would be every bit as wrong as Louie's pure
bull**** that the Democrats caused the problem in 2006. Blame enough to go
around, to both parties and a big chunk of the public.


Poor Louie, that damn Barney Frank really has it in for him. ;-)

apparently ****ed in David's cornflakes, he did.
Tom

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Horse caca. The couple with the BMW lost their jobs.

exactly my point....when that happened, they were not prepared, financially
to weather the bad spell. That's called personal financial planning.
Perhaps, if they had bought a used Honda, or a new Hyundai or Ford Focus,
they could afford ****ing food. It's a matter of saving for a rainy day. I'm
sure your parents taught you that lesson, I know mine did.
Remember how excited you were when
you bought your first home? The loan officer at the bank went over
everything about your income and how you could pay for it. And, it
turned out he was right.

let's run with this one, big guy. I have purchased exactly ONE home. It was
valued at about 3 times my annual income. I knew I could afford it, I knew I
could pay for my housing expenses and weather any economic hardships, like
the medical expenses I had to deal with for my wife and daughter. That was
because I was a responsible home buyer. The bank never did a lick of work, I
was assured of approval within 72 hours of application, thanks to MY
prudence. When the hell did personal responsibility go out the window?

And, as Forty put it earlier, and you alluded to, lenders share
responsibility too, for going for short term profits through a tangled web
of dubious paper, and not making responsible loans(wait until commercial
loans start hitting the fan, if you liked what housing did to the financial
sector). As has been discussed, the international connections in all of this
complicate matters greatly, so who knows if or when we can get out of this.
And, yes, I lived through the 1970's, the bad economy had everything to do
with a post-war economy, nothing really to do with Jimmy Carter(gee, what a
surprise, Dave wrongly blames Democrats, again...), and wasn't a gnat on an
elephant's ass compared to what we are up against now. If you don't get
that, I feel sorry for you, Dave. I really do.
Tom

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"The Truth" wrote in message
...
Only a complete moron would stick with the bull**** line that the
trillions of
dollars of dubious loans - personal and commercial - that have sunk the
banking system (estimates run as high as 16 trillion dollars of "toxic
debt")
was rung up in less than a year.

well, that's our Pirate. But, we still love him!
Tom

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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:09:48 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

If you don't get
that, I feel sorry for you, Dave. I really do.

No you don't. You and Fortenberry have lost a friend. I am tired of
your ad hominem insults and slurs.

I am beginning to think that Connor is right: This cesspool that was
once a nice place to visit has become unbearably boorish. It is no
longer a fishing group, but a place were politics is the subject du
jour. And if you do not agree with what others are saying, you are
immediately insulted, called dishonorable, stupid, etc.

You guys can't carry on a conversation with an old friend without
insulting him. And, no, I'm not being overly sensitive about it.

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:09:48 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
No you don't. You and Fortenberry have lost a friend. I am tired of
your ad hominem insults and slurs.

sorry to **** you off, David. I think the world of you, as a person. I just
feel your judgement on this sort of thing is terribly clouded by ideology.
As I said earlier, any rational person reading these threads can see that I
feel a lot of parties are responsible for the current state of affairs.
Hell, I just took Forty to task for not laying a good deal of blame on
irresponsible home buyers and creditors. If you are going to keep insisting
it all just popped up, out of nowhere, in 2006, I am going to keep calling
you on the BS. Nothing personal, I just feel you are very wrong, and I think
it is beneath you to keep fingerpointing around ideology in a time of pretty
serious national crisis.

I am beginning to think that Connor is right:

If, after that line, you didn't step back and think, you might want to......


And, no, I'm not being overly sensitive about it.

yes, you are. I was disappointed that you, who has been around for more
years than I, couldn't offer more insight than "Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and
Barack Obama caused all of this....." Nothing personal, I simply expected a
little more nuance.
Don't get all bent out of shape, we've all argued like this for years, and
still managed to fish, drink and dine together. It's ROFF, as it always has
been. Do I have to remind you of some of the Tim Walker or George Gherke
threads? Yeesh!
Tom

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On Feb 9, 1:02*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

I am beginning to think that Connor is right:

If, after that line, you didn't step back and think, you might want to.......


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Heh heh, maybe he started thinking before he posted it?

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wrote in message
...
Heh heh, maybe he started thinking before he posted it?
--
"The last one, I wont reply to you again, because there is simply no point
in doing so, nor will I post to either of the groups again.

Mike Connor"

8/3/08 7:30 pm EDT

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Tom Littleton wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote:
No you don't. You and Fortenberry have lost a friend. I am tired of
your ad hominem insults and slurs.

sorry to **** you off, David. ...

Goodness, I think someone is getting way too thin-skinned in his dotage.

I am beginning to think that Connor is right:

If, after that line, you didn't step back and think, you might want to......

Two words: Senile Dementia

And, no, I'm not being overly sensitive about it.

yes, you are. ...

I still think the poor guy is constipated.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Feb 7, 8:21*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

about F and F and the bad loans
they were making.

ah, Dave...

F and F didn't make the loans nor did they set the criteria for the
loans. The private lenders did. F and F bought the loans and kept
buying them.

Carry on.

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On Feb 7, 9:27*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

as I asked elsewhere, where do you find a tax increase? I only see a 250
Billion dollar lowering of taxation, in the current proposal. Oh, I get it,
since the GOP has you scared into thinking that ALL Democrats will raise
taxes, you are stupid enough to believe it?

tom:

Don't forget the Bush tax cuts sunset in the near future. Tax rates
for the most part will reset to the Clinton era rates. Never mind that
the congress that enacted them only gave them 10 years, if they don't
get extended or made permanent, the opposition party that put in the
expiration date is going to run with it.

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On Feb 9, 1:23*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message

...Heh heh, maybe he started thinking before he posted it?

--
"The last one, I wont reply to you again, because there is simply no point
in doing so, nor will I post to either of the groups again.

Mike Connor"

8/3/08 *7:30 pm EDT

Heh, heh, a lying dumbo trying to justify himself by impugning others.
Quite pathetic.

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On Feb 9, 10:58*am, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:21*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

about F and F and the bad loans
they were making.

ah, Dave...

F and F didn't make the loans nor did they set the criteria for the
loans. The private lenders did. F and F bought the loans and kept
buying them.

Carry on.

Additionally...they weren't 'bad loans' when they were bought, nor
were they 'bad loans' when they were made. They became bad loans when
the market forces turned south and the lower echelon of folks who were
pursing the american dream were unable or unwilling to make their
payments, and defaulted. That they overpaid for those properties in
the first place is hardly their fault....blame the people who ran up
property values in the first place. I think any one of them would have
gladly paid less for their property when they bought it.

Carrion.
--riverman

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
I have seen no leadership from the messiah. ...
You should have your eyes checked.
Good eyes.
But you still can't see.

Try removing those ideological blinkers and the ignorance tinted
sunglasses.

Where is the leadership? Not on this stimulus. Seems as if his most
ethical administration and no lobbyists leadership is false. I am hoping
he succeeds in office. But I do not agree with all his socialist
leanings, but I want the country to be better in 4 years. But I have not
seen any real leadership so far. I have a feeling he is going to be like
Clinton and see which way the winds blow before making pronouncements. I
would rather see a Harry S Truman "the buck stops here" leadership.
Making hard decisions even when the his majority of followers disagree.
You are the one blinded by ideology.

If you haven't seen any leadership out of the White House over the
last two weeks it's because you don't *want* to see any leadership.

This stimulus bill and the TARP are the biggest spending bills ever
in the history of the planet, most Americans oppose them and Obama
is going to get it passed and signed in under a month. That, Mr. Bill,
is leadership.

Obama took personal responsibility for the failed Daschle nomination.
That, Mr. Bill, is "the buck stops here" leadership.

You appear to want Obama to abandon his principles, **** off the left
and do the things *you* think are right before you'll give him any
credit for leadership. That, Mr. Bill, is blind ideology.

It's only been two weeks, get back to me in two years Mr. Bill.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Leadership would be sending a spending bill that mattered in regards to the
recession. Not the lard laden bill that was tossed together. We need
something, but not a "Stimulus" bill laden with items like STD's, Global
Warming research, etc. They may be needed items but not in a "stimulus"
bill.

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
This stimulus bill and the TARP are the biggest spending bills ever
in the history of the planet, most Americans oppose them and Obama
is going to get it passed and signed in under a month. That, Mr. Bill,
is leadership.

Obama took personal responsibility for the failed Daschle nomination.
That, Mr. Bill, is "the buck stops here" leadership.

You appear to want Obama to abandon his principles, **** off the left
and do the things *you* think are right before you'll give him any
credit for leadership. That, Mr. Bill, is blind ideology.

It's only been two weeks, get back to me in two years Mr. Bill.

agreed, largely, Ken. I do wish he would get out and push hard to restore
the 46 Billion that was to go to the States, much of it for education.
That money would impact jobs, immediately, and prevent taxes and fees from
rising in states which are facing huge revenue shortfalls. In fact, that
part that the Republicans campaigned to cut might have had as much
immediate stimulatory impact as anything in the bill. $16 Billion was for
school construction projects currently on hold(hence, 'shovel ready', if
one wishes to use that detestable term).
Also, I give Calif.Bill credit for one part of his argument, the
observations on PERSONAL sacrifice and responsibility. I note that Louie
chose not to respond on that matter, when I brought up the BMW driving
food bank patrons. A great deal of this problem was brought on by the
conduct of the citizenry, and a bit of sacrifice by us all will be needed
to get out of this problem. And yes, part of that, far down the road,
should the economy stabilize, is an increase in taxation to help restore
some fiscal sanity to the government. Obama and his team are well aware
that we are nowhere near the point where that is an issue to deal with,
and hence(Louie, are you reading?) they plan NO TAX INCREASES for the
forseeable future. Except for Dave LaCourse and his immediate family,
which will be a rider that Barney Frank plans to attach to the Conference
Committee bill.g
Tom
Tom



Not only do we need tax increases to provide fiscal responsibility to
government, we need spending responsibility and decreases. Get rid of Base
Line Budgeting. How many of us figure in a 13% increase in yearly outgo,
and call a decrease to 8% a 5% cut? As to education help. Lets require the
education industry to produce. Neighbor, who is a teacher and interim
principle, has to go back to just teacher. He accuses Arnie and the budget
cutting for the problem. Maybe the education industry ought to control
their out of control spending. $40 billion bucks extra to education in this
state in the last couple years. The kids can not yet read their diplomas.
The college teachers are still getting a 3.5% raise while the rest of the
country is worrying about a job and the Contra Costa College district is
awarding an 18% raise to the chancellor. From $209k to $247K. Talk about
tossing it in the taxpayers faces.

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On Feb 9, 6:28*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

...



Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
I have seen no leadership from the messiah. ...
You should have your eyes checked.
Good eyes.
But you still can't see.

Try removing those ideological blinkers and the ignorance tinted
sunglasses.

Where is the leadership? *Not on this stimulus. *Seems as if his most
ethical administration and no lobbyists leadership is false. *I am hoping
he succeeds in office. *But I do not agree with all his socialist
leanings, but I want the country to be better in 4 years. *But I have not
seen any real leadership so far. *I have a feeling he is going to be like
Clinton and see which way the winds blow before making pronouncements. *I
would rather see a Harry S Truman "the buck stops here" leadership.
Making hard decisions even when the his majority of followers disagree..
You are the one blinded by ideology.

If you haven't seen any leadership out of the White House over the
last two weeks it's because you don't *want* to see any leadership.

This stimulus bill and the TARP are the biggest spending bills ever
in the history of the planet, most Americans oppose them and Obama
is going to get it passed and signed in under a month. That, Mr. Bill,
is leadership.

Obama took personal responsibility for the failed Daschle nomination.
That, Mr. Bill, is "the buck stops here" leadership.

You appear to want Obama to abandon his principles, **** off the left
and do the things *you* think are right before you'll give him any
credit for leadership. That, Mr. Bill, is blind ideology.

It's only been two weeks, get back to me in two years Mr. Bill.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Leadership would be sending a spending bill that mattered in regards to the
recession. *Not the lard laden bill that was tossed together. *We need
something, but not a "Stimulus" bill laden with items like STD's, Global
Warming research, etc. *They may be needed items but not in a "stimulus"
bill.

Even if the guy had all the right ideas and answers, there is no way
he is going to be able to implement them in the face of such massive
opposition.

You people can't agree on anything at all, what makes you think
various political factions and other groups who actually have power in
these matters will be any better at it?

Even more germane, what makes you think your strident screeching on
here will do anybody any good at all?

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
The Truth wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
We're all going to have to sacrifice but I don't buy into the notion
that this economic catastrophe can be attributed to the citizenry.
That sounds like George Will pontificating from on high and it's just
flat out wrong. This catastrophe was caused by a lack of regulatory
oversight. It wasn't the poor schmuck who bought more home than he
could afford, it was the bankers who called that 'C' rated mortgage
a 'AAA' rated mortgage and the so-called regulators who let them get
away with it that are at the bottom of this pyramid. Take thousands
of such mortgages, bundled them up, sell them as if they're 'AAA' nine
or ten times, leverage them some hundred fold as derivatives and then
stand back and watch Lehman Bros. bite the dust. Don't blame this on
the citizenry.
Exactamundo. And the failure of F and F can be attributed to those
who had oversight on them, namely Barney, Dodd, Obama, et al. I can
still see the clip of Barney in 2006 saying, "There is nothing wrong
with F and F. They are doing well." Horse caca!

Let's get this straight: the USA has officially been in recession since
December of 2007. At that point, the Democrats had been in control for
less
than a year. Otoh, the Republicans had been in control since 1994 - over
12
years at the helm, before they were kicked to the curb by popular revolt.

Only a complete moron would stick with the bull**** line that the
trillions of
dollars of dubious loans - personal and commercial - that have sunk the
banking system (estimates run as high as 16 trillion dollars of "toxic
debt")
was rung up in less than a year.

And only a complete moron would claim that Freddie and Fannie were
more than a drop in the whole toxic bucket. But there's no use trying
to explain reality to Louie because reality has a liberal bias. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

F&F were a whole lot more than a drop in the bucket. They are main reason
that banks took on Alt-a / liar loans. They did not have to worry about
the real credit risk of the borrower after F&F said they would buy all these
crap loans.

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tom Littleton wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote:
No you don't. You and Fortenberry have lost a friend. I am tired of
your ad hominem insults and slurs.

sorry to **** you off, David. ...

Goodness, I think someone is getting way too thin-skinned in his dotage.

I am beginning to think that Connor is right:

If, after that line, you didn't step back and think, you might want
to......

Two words: Senile Dementia

And, no, I'm not being overly sensitive about it.

yes, you are. ...

I still think the poor guy is constipated.

--
Ken Fortenberry

I think you are both stupid and a horses ass. Seems as Reid, Obama and
Dodd, etc. Can and did do no wrong in the unhinging of our economy. You
are so partisan that it is impossible to reason with you. Why did Dodd and
Frank and Obama get so much money from a quasi public corporation like F&F?
If they do not have not have any responsibility as they were much of the
oversight then I guess they were just gifts and not bribes.

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Seems as if the non partisan Congressional Budget Office thinks somewhat
like me.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/

LOL !! Seems to me the right-wing fascist rag "Washington Times" thinks
somewhat like you. You should actually read the CBO report for yourself
instead of believing the nonsense spewed by that "newspaper".

--
Ken Fortenberry

Because you dislike the messenger you ignore the message. Sad.

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote:
I have seen no leadership from the messiah. He is supporting the bill
as it came out of the House. very little stimulation and gobs of cost.

actually, exactly wrong, Bill. Obama is quietly supporting the version
that is being re-written in the Senate, and urging the House to go along
without re-tinkering with it.
And, based on the economics experts, the balance of the Senate
compromise fit the mold of what is needed. The only questions seemingly
remaining a 1) will this approach work, or be timely enough and 2) is
it large enough? Many feel, given the current rate of job loss and
business losses, a package of double this size is needed.

Obama has changed his support to the new bill. Just going along with the
flow. Where is some leadership.

Obama came out strongly in opposition to the "Buy American" provisions in
the stimulus bill. That is leadership, Mr. Bill.



That is not leadership. That is either sophistry or paying off the
contributors.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry"
Calif Bill wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/
LOL !! Seems to me the right-wing fascist rag "Washington Times" thinks
somewhat like you. You should actually read the CBO report for yourself
instead of believing the nonsense spewed by that "newspaper".

Because you dislike the messenger you ignore the message. Sad.

The "message" is a lie, Mr. Bill. The CBO doesn't say what the
"Washington Times" says it does.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
If you haven't seen any leadership out of the White House over the
last two weeks it's because you don't *want* to see any leadership.

This stimulus bill and the TARP are the biggest spending bills ever
in the history of the planet, most Americans oppose them and Obama
is going to get it passed and signed in under a month. That, Mr. Bill,
is leadership.

Obama took personal responsibility for the failed Daschle nomination.
That, Mr. Bill, is "the buck stops here" leadership.

You appear to want Obama to abandon his principles, **** off the left
and do the things *you* think are right before you'll give him any
credit for leadership. That, Mr. Bill, is blind ideology.

It's only been two weeks, get back to me in two years Mr. Bill.

Leadership would be sending a spending bill that mattered in regards to the
recession. ...

You don't appear to understand your own government. Presidents don't
"send" spending bills to Congress, according to our constitution all
revenue bills must originate in the House. It's no wonder you can't
give Obama any credit for leadership, you don't even know what our
leader can and cannot do.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
And only a complete moron would claim that Freddie and Fannie were
more than a drop in the whole toxic bucket.

F&F were a whole lot more than a drop in the bucket. ...

Like I said ...

LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Obama came out strongly in opposition to the "Buy American" provisions in
the stimulus bill. That is leadership, Mr. Bill.

That is not leadership. That is either sophistry or paying off the
contributors.

Paying off contributors ? By opposing the "Buy American" provisions of
the stimulus package ? So you are accusing Obama of accepting illegal
foreign contributions in the first place and then paying off those
contributors with favors in his first weeks in office.

Mr. Bill, listen carefully. The Martians do not want this information
made public. You have already ****ed off the Martians by posting these
secrets on Usenet. Be afraid, Mr. Bill, be very afraid and for gawd's
sake don't forget to activate your cloaking device before you venture
outdoors.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
If you haven't seen any leadership out of the White House over the
last two weeks it's because you don't *want* to see any leadership.

This stimulus bill and the TARP are the biggest spending bills ever
in the history of the planet, most Americans oppose them and Obama
is going to get it passed and signed in under a month. That, Mr. Bill,
is leadership.

Obama took personal responsibility for the failed Daschle nomination.
That, Mr. Bill, is "the buck stops here" leadership.

You appear to want Obama to abandon his principles, **** off the left
and do the things *you* think are right before you'll give him any
credit for leadership. That, Mr. Bill, is blind ideology.

It's only been two weeks, get back to me in two years Mr. Bill.

Leadership would be sending a spending bill that mattered in regards to
the recession. ...

You don't appear to understand your own government. Presidents don't
"send" spending bills to Congress, according to our constitution all
revenue bills must originate in the House. It's no wonder you can't
give Obama any credit for leadership, you don't even know what our
leader can and cannot do.

--
Ken Fortenberry

You just do not understand our government. The Executive sends down
requests for bills to the Congress. Up to Congress to pass as sent, modify
or reject. The annual budget is one of those items.

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Obama came out strongly in opposition to the "Buy American" provisions
in the stimulus bill. That is leadership, Mr. Bill.

That is not leadership. That is either sophistry or paying off the
contributors.

Paying off contributors ? By opposing the "Buy American" provisions of
the stimulus package ? So you are accusing Obama of accepting illegal
foreign contributions in the first place and then paying off those
contributors with favors in his first weeks in office.

Mr. Bill, listen carefully. The Martians do not want this information
made public. You have already ****ed off the Martians by posting these
secrets on Usenet. Be afraid, Mr. Bill, be very afraid and for gawd's
sake don't forget to activate your cloaking device before you venture
outdoors.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Maybe you should take your own advice and bite a bullet. You can not
assimilate any meaningful information into your closed mind.

Willie and Wesley and the boys...
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Obama came out strongly in opposition to the "Buy American" provisions
in the stimulus bill. That is leadership, Mr. Bill.
That is not leadership. That is either sophistry or paying off the
contributors.
Paying off contributors ? By opposing the "Buy American" provisions of
the stimulus package ? So you are accusing Obama of accepting illegal
foreign contributions in the first place and then paying off those
contributors with favors in his first weeks in office.

Mr. Bill, listen carefully. The Martians do not want this information
made public. You have already ****ed off the Martians by posting these
secrets on Usenet. Be afraid, Mr. Bill, be very afraid and for gawd's
sake don't forget to activate your cloaking device before you venture
outdoors.

Maybe you should take your own advice and bite a bullet. You can not
assimilate any meaningful information into your closed mind.

Just tell me one thing, Mr. Bill. Did you remember to put tinfoil
in your hat this morning ? Always use the tinfoil Mr. Bill. If you
use the tinfoil religiously you won't get those annoying signals
from the Martians telling you that Obama is paying off foreign
contributors.

Tinfoil, Mr. Bill. Trust me on this.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Willie and Wesley and the boys...
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Obama came out strongly in opposition to the "Buy American" provisions
in the stimulus bill. That is leadership, Mr. Bill.
That is not leadership. That is either sophistry or paying off the
contributors.
Paying off contributors ? By opposing the "Buy American" provisions of
the stimulus package ? So you are accusing Obama of accepting illegal
foreign contributions in the first place and then paying off those
contributors with favors in his first weeks in office.

Mr. Bill, listen carefully. The Martians do not want this information
made public. You have already ****ed off the Martians by posting these
secrets on Usenet. Be afraid, Mr. Bill, be very afraid and for gawd's
sake don't forget to activate your cloaking device before you venture
outdoors.

Maybe you should take your own advice and bite a bullet. You can not
assimilate any meaningful information into your closed mind.

Just tell me one thing, Mr. Bill. Did you remember to put tinfoil
in your hat this morning ? Always use the tinfoil Mr. Bill. If you
use the tinfoil religiously you won't get those annoying signals
from the Martians telling you that Obama is paying off foreign
contributors.

Tinfoil, Mr. Bill. Trust me on this.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No tinfoil hats available. You have them all.