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Conan the Librarian February 17th, 2005 04:38 PM

wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:13:39 -0600, Conan the Librarian
wrote:

[snip]

Well, wormwood wasn't outlawed, but its use in drink was (and I think
you are at least approximately correct about the date, but ???) There
are a number of substitutes for the original in cocktails, including a
local version, Herbsaint.


Herbsaint ... that's the one I couldn't recall. I remember seeing
it advertised in bars down there.

If one really wanted wormwood, they could add
a few drops of Absorbine to a bottle of one of the substitutes, but from
my limited experience with the "real" stuff and from what I've heard, it
wasn't the wormwood that made the original so potent, it was the alcohol
combined with the climate in NO. I've seen folks act pretty crazy here
and never get near anything but rum punch drinks...


I can't disagree with you there. The climate, some booze and the
general atmosphere of the city are almost enough to make people see
ghosts. :-)

True story: SWMBO and I were staying at the Hotel Provincial and
one morning I awoke to find my shoes sitting next to me *in bed*. I had
put them at the foot of the bed the night before, and SWMBO swore
up-and-down that she hadn't touched them (and she's not prone to being a
practical joker).

I don't believe in ghosts, but it was certainly a curious event.
Then we came to find out that the Hotel Provincial was previously the
site of a Confederate hospital and is supposedly haunted by soldiers and
nurses from that era.

But I digress ...

Now that I think about it, I remember seeing two "absinthe houses"
in the Vieux Carre. One was pretty rundown and very quiet, while the
other was bustling. We stopped at the one that was rundown.


There are two, but that wasn't to what I was referring - it was the
wormwood not being available.

And if you like "absinthe"-esque drinks, try a Herbsaint frappe, rather
than a drip. I'll have an occasional drip with tourist-type visitors,
simply because we have the equipment and the visitors think it is neat,
but I prefer a frappe, with Peychaud bitters, a little simple syrup,
Herbsaint, and poured over fine ice pieces (crushed will work in a
pinch, but IMO, shaved ice melts too fast).


I've read about the frappe, but really don't care for any of the
herb-flavored stuff. In fact, probably the worst-tasting booze I've
ever had was the Hungarian "national drink" Unicum (yes, that's what
it's called), which is supposedly made of a blend of 40+ herbs and
spices. It smells like hospital disinfectant and tastes like ... well,
what you'd expect hospital disinfectant laced with lawn clippings to
taste like. It also leaves an aftertaste that takes about a day to get
rid of.

It made chartreuse (the Italian herbal-flavored liquer) seem
palatable by comparison.


Chuck Vance (hell, I'd rather drink Scotch than that stuff)


Conan the Librarian February 17th, 2005 04:38 PM

wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:13:39 -0600, Conan the Librarian
wrote:

[snip]

Well, wormwood wasn't outlawed, but its use in drink was (and I think
you are at least approximately correct about the date, but ???) There
are a number of substitutes for the original in cocktails, including a
local version, Herbsaint.


Herbsaint ... that's the one I couldn't recall. I remember seeing
it advertised in bars down there.

If one really wanted wormwood, they could add
a few drops of Absorbine to a bottle of one of the substitutes, but from
my limited experience with the "real" stuff and from what I've heard, it
wasn't the wormwood that made the original so potent, it was the alcohol
combined with the climate in NO. I've seen folks act pretty crazy here
and never get near anything but rum punch drinks...


I can't disagree with you there. The climate, some booze and the
general atmosphere of the city are almost enough to make people see
ghosts. :-)

True story: SWMBO and I were staying at the Hotel Provincial and
one morning I awoke to find my shoes sitting next to me *in bed*. I had
put them at the foot of the bed the night before, and SWMBO swore
up-and-down that she hadn't touched them (and she's not prone to being a
practical joker).

I don't believe in ghosts, but it was certainly a curious event.
Then we came to find out that the Hotel Provincial was previously the
site of a Confederate hospital and is supposedly haunted by soldiers and
nurses from that era.

But I digress ...

Now that I think about it, I remember seeing two "absinthe houses"
in the Vieux Carre. One was pretty rundown and very quiet, while the
other was bustling. We stopped at the one that was rundown.


There are two, but that wasn't to what I was referring - it was the
wormwood not being available.

And if you like "absinthe"-esque drinks, try a Herbsaint frappe, rather
than a drip. I'll have an occasional drip with tourist-type visitors,
simply because we have the equipment and the visitors think it is neat,
but I prefer a frappe, with Peychaud bitters, a little simple syrup,
Herbsaint, and poured over fine ice pieces (crushed will work in a
pinch, but IMO, shaved ice melts too fast).


I've read about the frappe, but really don't care for any of the
herb-flavored stuff. In fact, probably the worst-tasting booze I've
ever had was the Hungarian "national drink" Unicum (yes, that's what
it's called), which is supposedly made of a blend of 40+ herbs and
spices. It smells like hospital disinfectant and tastes like ... well,
what you'd expect hospital disinfectant laced with lawn clippings to
taste like. It also leaves an aftertaste that takes about a day to get
rid of.

It made chartreuse (the Italian herbal-flavored liquer) seem
palatable by comparison.


Chuck Vance (hell, I'd rather drink Scotch than that stuff)


William Claspy February 17th, 2005 04:43 PM

On 2/17/05 11:38 AM, in article , "Conan the
Librarian" wrote:

wrote:
And if you like "absinthe"-esque drinks, try a Herbsaint frappe, rather
than a drip. I'll have an occasional drip with tourist-type visitors,
simply because we have the equipment and the visitors think it is neat,
but I prefer a frappe, with Peychaud bitters, a little simple syrup,
Herbsaint, and poured over fine ice pieces (crushed will work in a
pinch, but IMO, shaved ice melts too fast).


I've read about the frappe, but really don't care for any of the
herb-flavored stuff. In fact, probably the worst-tasting booze I've
ever had was the Hungarian "national drink" Unicum (yes, that's what
it's called), which is supposedly made of a blend of 40+ herbs and
spices. It smells like hospital disinfectant and tastes like ... well,
what you'd expect hospital disinfectant laced with lawn clippings to
taste like. It also leaves an aftertaste that takes about a day to get
rid of.


Have you had Becherovka (
http://www.becher.cz/en/index2.php)? I actually
like the stuff, though I was more enthusiastic about it while sitting on a
sidewalk café in Prague than I am with the bottle that I brought home.

My favorite herb apertif is Campari. A tumbler with Campari and soda on the
rocks is one heck of a drink to ease you through a summer afternoon!

Hard drinkin' librarians R us,
Bill


William Claspy February 17th, 2005 04:43 PM

On 2/17/05 11:38 AM, in article , "Conan the
Librarian" wrote:

wrote:
And if you like "absinthe"-esque drinks, try a Herbsaint frappe, rather
than a drip. I'll have an occasional drip with tourist-type visitors,
simply because we have the equipment and the visitors think it is neat,
but I prefer a frappe, with Peychaud bitters, a little simple syrup,
Herbsaint, and poured over fine ice pieces (crushed will work in a
pinch, but IMO, shaved ice melts too fast).


I've read about the frappe, but really don't care for any of the
herb-flavored stuff. In fact, probably the worst-tasting booze I've
ever had was the Hungarian "national drink" Unicum (yes, that's what
it's called), which is supposedly made of a blend of 40+ herbs and
spices. It smells like hospital disinfectant and tastes like ... well,
what you'd expect hospital disinfectant laced with lawn clippings to
taste like. It also leaves an aftertaste that takes about a day to get
rid of.


Have you had Becherovka (
http://www.becher.cz/en/index2.php)? I actually
like the stuff, though I was more enthusiastic about it while sitting on a
sidewalk café in Prague than I am with the bottle that I brought home.

My favorite herb apertif is Campari. A tumbler with Campari and soda on the
rocks is one heck of a drink to ease you through a summer afternoon!

Hard drinkin' librarians R us,
Bill


[email protected] February 17th, 2005 05:02 PM

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:43:24 -0500, William Claspy
wrote:

On 2/17/05 11:38 AM, in article , "Conan the
Librarian" wrote:

wrote:
And if you like "absinthe"-esque drinks, try a Herbsaint frappe, rather
than a drip. I'll have an occasional drip with tourist-type visitors,
simply because we have the equipment and the visitors think it is neat,
but I prefer a frappe, with Peychaud bitters, a little simple syrup,
Herbsaint, and poured over fine ice pieces (crushed will work in a
pinch, but IMO, shaved ice melts too fast).


I've read about the frappe, but really don't care for any of the
herb-flavored stuff. In fact, probably the worst-tasting booze I've
ever had was the Hungarian "national drink" Unicum (yes, that's what
it's called), which is supposedly made of a blend of 40+ herbs and
spices. It smells like hospital disinfectant and tastes like ... well,
what you'd expect hospital disinfectant laced with lawn clippings to
taste like. It also leaves an aftertaste that takes about a day to get
rid of.


Have you had Becherovka (
http://www.becher.cz/en/index2.php)? I actually
like the stuff, though I was more enthusiastic about it while sitting on a
sidewalk café in Prague than I am with the bottle that I brought home.

My favorite herb apertif is Campari. A tumbler with Campari and soda on the
rocks is one heck of a drink to ease you through a summer afternoon!


Have you tried a Negroni - Campari, sweet red vermouth, and gin, in
equal parts?

As to Herbsaint, the predominate flavor is anise/licorice, rather than,
IMO, a general "herb-y" bitter taste, such as with Campari - or
Angostura bitters, which is why I like the frappe with the traditional
NO bitters, Peychaud - they aren't as bitter as Angostura - and IMO,
make the best gin and bitters/pink gin, too. I like Campari, as well,
though, but again, IMO, Campari (and Campari-like libations) and
Herbsaint (and other Absinthe/anisette-like libations) are very
different.

TC,
R

[email protected] February 17th, 2005 05:02 PM

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:43:24 -0500, William Claspy
wrote:

On 2/17/05 11:38 AM, in article , "Conan the
Librarian" wrote:

wrote:
And if you like "absinthe"-esque drinks, try a Herbsaint frappe, rather
than a drip. I'll have an occasional drip with tourist-type visitors,
simply because we have the equipment and the visitors think it is neat,
but I prefer a frappe, with Peychaud bitters, a little simple syrup,
Herbsaint, and poured over fine ice pieces (crushed will work in a
pinch, but IMO, shaved ice melts too fast).


I've read about the frappe, but really don't care for any of the
herb-flavored stuff. In fact, probably the worst-tasting booze I've
ever had was the Hungarian "national drink" Unicum (yes, that's what
it's called), which is supposedly made of a blend of 40+ herbs and
spices. It smells like hospital disinfectant and tastes like ... well,
what you'd expect hospital disinfectant laced with lawn clippings to
taste like. It also leaves an aftertaste that takes about a day to get
rid of.


Have you had Becherovka (
http://www.becher.cz/en/index2.php)? I actually
like the stuff, though I was more enthusiastic about it while sitting on a
sidewalk café in Prague than I am with the bottle that I brought home.

My favorite herb apertif is Campari. A tumbler with Campari and soda on the
rocks is one heck of a drink to ease you through a summer afternoon!


Have you tried a Negroni - Campari, sweet red vermouth, and gin, in
equal parts?

As to Herbsaint, the predominate flavor is anise/licorice, rather than,
IMO, a general "herb-y" bitter taste, such as with Campari - or
Angostura bitters, which is why I like the frappe with the traditional
NO bitters, Peychaud - they aren't as bitter as Angostura - and IMO,
make the best gin and bitters/pink gin, too. I like Campari, as well,
though, but again, IMO, Campari (and Campari-like libations) and
Herbsaint (and other Absinthe/anisette-like libations) are very
different.

TC,
R

Conan the Librarian February 17th, 2005 05:15 PM

William Claspy wrote:

Have you had Becherovka (http://www.becher.cz/en/index2.php)? I actually
like the stuff, though I was more enthusiastic about it while sitting on a
sidewalk café in Prague than I am with the bottle that I brought home.


It's amazing what an effect the ambience has, no? :-) I've never
had the pleasure (?) of trying Becherovka. Heck, I wouldn't have even
tried the Unicum (I feel so silly typing that word) if it hadn't been
for SWMBO bringing me a bottle of it back from a business trip to
Hungary.

Not that I would consider that a great loss. (And I didn't have the
benefit of being in Budapest when I tried it.)

My favorite herb apertif is Campari. A tumbler with Campari and soda on the
rocks is one heck of a drink to ease you through a summer afternoon!


OK, as another hard-drinking librarian, I am ashamed to say that
I've never even tried Campari. What does it taste like?


Chuck Vance (of course in Texas if you say you're hard-drinking,
it's expected to be cheap beer and even cheaper whiskey)


Conan the Librarian February 17th, 2005 05:15 PM

William Claspy wrote:

Have you had Becherovka (http://www.becher.cz/en/index2.php)? I actually
like the stuff, though I was more enthusiastic about it while sitting on a
sidewalk café in Prague than I am with the bottle that I brought home.


It's amazing what an effect the ambience has, no? :-) I've never
had the pleasure (?) of trying Becherovka. Heck, I wouldn't have even
tried the Unicum (I feel so silly typing that word) if it hadn't been
for SWMBO bringing me a bottle of it back from a business trip to
Hungary.

Not that I would consider that a great loss. (And I didn't have the
benefit of being in Budapest when I tried it.)

My favorite herb apertif is Campari. A tumbler with Campari and soda on the
rocks is one heck of a drink to ease you through a summer afternoon!


OK, as another hard-drinking librarian, I am ashamed to say that
I've never even tried Campari. What does it taste like?


Chuck Vance (of course in Texas if you say you're hard-drinking,
it's expected to be cheap beer and even cheaper whiskey)


William Claspy February 17th, 2005 05:19 PM

On 2/17/05 12:02 PM, in article ,
" wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:43:24 -0500, William Claspy
wrote:

On 2/17/05 11:38 AM, in article , "Conan the
Librarian" wrote:

wrote:
And if you like "absinthe"-esque drinks, try a Herbsaint frappe, rather
than a drip. I'll have an occasional drip with tourist-type visitors,
simply because we have the equipment and the visitors think it is neat,
but I prefer a frappe, with Peychaud bitters, a little simple syrup,
Herbsaint, and poured over fine ice pieces (crushed will work in a
pinch, but IMO, shaved ice melts too fast).

I've read about the frappe, but really don't care for any of the
herb-flavored stuff. In fact, probably the worst-tasting booze I've
ever had was the Hungarian "national drink" Unicum (yes, that's what
it's called), which is supposedly made of a blend of 40+ herbs and
spices. It smells like hospital disinfectant and tastes like ... well,
what you'd expect hospital disinfectant laced with lawn clippings to
taste like. It also leaves an aftertaste that takes about a day to get
rid of.


Have you had Becherovka (
http://www.becher.cz/en/index2.php)? I actually
like the stuff, though I was more enthusiastic about it while sitting on a
sidewalk café in Prague than I am with the bottle that I brought home.

My favorite herb apertif is Campari. A tumbler with Campari and soda on the
rocks is one heck of a drink to ease you through a summer afternoon!


Have you tried a Negroni - Campari, sweet red vermouth, and gin, in
equal parts?


I have not, but will put it on my "to drink" list (which sits just across
the bar from my "to read" list :-)

Bill


William Claspy February 17th, 2005 05:19 PM

On 2/17/05 12:02 PM, in article ,
" wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:43:24 -0500, William Claspy
wrote:

On 2/17/05 11:38 AM, in article , "Conan the
Librarian" wrote:

wrote:
And if you like "absinthe"-esque drinks, try a Herbsaint frappe, rather
than a drip. I'll have an occasional drip with tourist-type visitors,
simply because we have the equipment and the visitors think it is neat,
but I prefer a frappe, with Peychaud bitters, a little simple syrup,
Herbsaint, and poured over fine ice pieces (crushed will work in a
pinch, but IMO, shaved ice melts too fast).

I've read about the frappe, but really don't care for any of the
herb-flavored stuff. In fact, probably the worst-tasting booze I've
ever had was the Hungarian "national drink" Unicum (yes, that's what
it's called), which is supposedly made of a blend of 40+ herbs and
spices. It smells like hospital disinfectant and tastes like ... well,
what you'd expect hospital disinfectant laced with lawn clippings to
taste like. It also leaves an aftertaste that takes about a day to get
rid of.


Have you had Becherovka (
http://www.becher.cz/en/index2.php)? I actually
like the stuff, though I was more enthusiastic about it while sitting on a
sidewalk café in Prague than I am with the bottle that I brought home.

My favorite herb apertif is Campari. A tumbler with Campari and soda on the
rocks is one heck of a drink to ease you through a summer afternoon!


Have you tried a Negroni - Campari, sweet red vermouth, and gin, in
equal parts?


I have not, but will put it on my "to drink" list (which sits just across
the bar from my "to read" list :-)

Bill



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