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"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming. You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.

You have accepted that CO2 is the
culprit at this time and your mind is now closed.

Rather, the truth has filtered in. Until someone can provide some reasonable
alternative hypothesis, or find a flaw in the science, the facts are not in
debate, though they may be challenged by children such as yourself who know
nothing and cannot understand the flaws in their own 'arguments'.

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"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.


Wrong, big time.

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In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:
It is all so simple. That is why there is total agreement on the causes of
Global Warming.


As much as on, say, evolution.

"Eric Swanson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...


"Coby Beck" wrote ...
"Bill McKee" wrote ...

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CO2 a adjunct. If it was so simple, then all the scientists, or at
least a supra majority could agree on the causes.

It is not simple, but it is reasonably well understood. And lets see,
NOAA,
GISS, IPCC, BAS, EPA, NAS, RS of UK, and every other major scientific
institution and 95+% of atmospheric, oceanic and climate scientists do
believe that anthropogenic CO2 is driving the current global warming, so
the
agreement you seek is already here.

Maybe it is the fact that we are overdue for a magnetic poll shift and
more UV is reaching the earth. You only want to believe in your preset
ideas. You are not open to real science.

Present some.


You present proof that CO2 is the culprit. Not someone's opinion. And
since we have had global warming and global cooling cycles longer than
homo-sapiens has been here, prove that the CO2 is the cause, and not the
sun
cycles, etc. You give a lot more power to man than we have. One large
volcanic eruption dumps more chemicals into the atmosphere than man has
done
in the last 100 years. Krakatoa caused freezing temps in July in the
mid-west. There is nothing that I could say or post to change your mind.
You have accepted junk science and your mind is locked.

Yes there are long term cycles, but they have been shown to correlate with
changes in the Earth's orbit and the Earth's tilt axis, etc. The results
of
these changes in the overall forcing is thought to have produced the Ice
Ages.

Changes in atmospheric CO2 levels in preindustrial times were not the
cause
but the result of the orbital cycles, amplifying the effects of the
orbital
changes. It's been sugested that man's changes to the Earth's surface by
clearing forests and planting rice crops may have influenced climate over
the Holocene, but these have no where near the impact of our present
activities.

That comment about CO2 emissions from volcanos has been shown to be wrong
numerous times. The SO2 which is blasted into the stratosphere does tend
to
cool things for a few years, with the Tambora eruption in 1815 being
blamed
for the "Year without Summer" in 1816. Were you thinking of that blast
when you
claimed that Krakatoa produced summer freezing? BTW, the Little Ice Age
may
have been partly the result of an increase in the frequency of large
volcanic
events, such as in 1459 and 1601, etc. For what it's worth, I think the
Vikings in Greenland may have died out from the effects of the 1459 event.

--
Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-)
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In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming.

There are still some who argue for creationism. You're never going to have
100% agreement. But if you read the scientific literature and look at what
agencies like NAS, IPCC, NASA, NOAA, EPA, andf AGu say, you'll see it's as
settled as anything gets in science.


You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.


I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

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In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
. ..
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.


Wrong, big time.


Bill, you are not a scientist. A number of us here are, including myself.
Check out the scientific literature, check out the scientific agencies and
groups. There really is no debate about the cause.

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"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.


Wrong, big time.


Bill, you are not a scientist. A number of us here are, including myself.
Check out the scientific literature, check out the scientific agencies and
groups. There really is no debate about the cause.

Actually I am scientifically trained. My degrees are in engineering, and
bioengineering. If you are a scientist, you are incompetent. The Kyoto
group were all "scientists" The sciences of Psychology, etc.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
Actually I am scientifically trained. My degrees are in engineering, and
bioengineering.

What scientific evidence of anthropogenic global warming would you consider
convincing?

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")

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Bill McKee wrote

Bill, you are not a scientist. A number of us here are, including myself.
Check out the scientific literature, check out the scientific agencies and
groups. There really is no debate about the cause.

Actually I am scientifically trained. My degrees are in engineering,

You must have skipped over the thermodynamics
and infrared spectroscopy of poyatomic molecules part.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net

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Bill McKee wrote:
"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have
presented references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the
causes.


Wrong, big time.

The "did not" response is typical of children who cannot give arguments or
rational explanations for their fantasies. The facts under discussion would
require actually referencing the science or at least an authoritative
condensation such as http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm.