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On 15 Jun 2006 14:16:36 -0700, "Wayne Knight"
wrote: wrote: Maybe it wasn't meant to be, but that's what it has become - "pay to play" fishing and a fund-raising contest. Many of the people at TU national are professional fund-raisers. Look at the resumes - fishing, trout or otherwise, is usually mentioned as an afterthought, after all the career stuff, and nothing to indicate any real knowledge, experience, or most importantly, love of fishing. It's a conservation group. It's a fundraising group raising funds for its own limited self-interests, and true conservation is not in its self-interest. Conservation can and does often mean doing without, and TU isn't interested in its members doing without because if they did without, TU might not get as much money from them. I can't say it has never happened, but I can't ever remember a TU pitch that went something like: "We need to buy this land so as to keep everyone off of it for 50 years and let it recover. You won't likely live long enough to see a benefit, but future generations will, so please send us a large check to help in this worthy endevour." They have biologists and grant writers on the payroll, local coordinators etc. There non profit status should not be the issue. That they need to raise money and use the tax code to their advantage in an attempt to get their message out is just a matter of fact. Only thing different about TU, DU, NRA, American Cancer Society, et al is their mission. Other than that they're all non profits trying to raise money. Exactly Again I disagree with the situation as presented by Tim but that doesn't paint the entire picture for the organization as a whole. Why not? More like why? If a western flow rate is down because irrigation or a southeastern river is full of clay from poor building purposes then why should you close it? I'm not saying you should. I'm saying that if the _public_ can't enjoy what is supposedly its own land and resources, but the "public" can, then the _public_ is getting diddled. TU works pretty damned hard to facilitate that diddling. a fisherman, with flyfishing as a subset, and I think "FFing only" on "public" water is ridiculous. If it's _public_ water, folks ought to be allowed to use cane poles and power bait to catch and eat their own damned fish, and if the water can't handle it, keep everyone off. That's among the reasons I think "public" water is a joke - it ain't _public_, it's "public." I agree with you. But pointing at the whole of TU is wrong. TU does not endorse fishing tackle methods. The FFF does that. And you can't have local chapters without the national group. No, I use such when I have a good reason. Otherwise, I don't, just like I don't use a hammer to tighten bolts or try to, just for T-Bone, OBROFF: use a big game rod on a small trout stream. When YOU have a good reason. Yep. None whatsoever, assuming they drive to Neiman's and keep their cakehole shut. But if they jump up in my face about conservation and right-wing this and that, I'll call them a yuppie hypocrite. So it's just the left wing SUV drivers eh? Pretty much, but not because they are left-wing. Why did you buy a BMW SUV? Or really, any SUV? Even the name "SUV" is pretty goofy-yuppie - what the hell is one supposed to do with a "sport utility vehicle?" Haul crates of footballs and golfclubs? How much "utility" duty do these things actually do? You've got several SUV's, I don't golf so you tell me. I don't consider any vehicle I own an "SUV." I consider them tools to accomplish a task, and sometimes that task can best be, or only be, accomplished by a large vehicle. The old rich were once nouveau riche. No, not necessarily, and the newly rich aren't necessarily nouveau riche. New money simply cannot think about money the same way old money can (and vice-versa) but new money can be gracious in their good fortune just as old money can be vulgar in theirs. I don't aspire to be rich, riche, or richard. I got off that train when I left my first employer in Chicago. I do what I do and I make what I make. That someone thinks it's not enough or too much I really don't care. It's my life as you have yours. I aspire to do a certain amount of good while I'm here and don't really give a rat's ass what anyone thinks of what I own or don't own. I wanted to know why you have this constant need to put people down? You answer that by implying that I'm trying to impress. Sorry one look at me and most would know I can't impress anyone. Hell, you've impressed me on many occasions, and not a single time was it related to anything anyone could buy with all the money of the planet. As to "putting people down" (or building them up), I feel no need to do either as a general principle. I treat people as they treat me and worry very little about the consequences of doing so. I don't waste my time holding grudges or currying favor. So what is a Yuppie in your book, anyone over 30 with a job? Nope. It's anyone concerned more about what they think is style over what I believe is substance...hey, you asked for MY definition, so it's gonna be subjective... TC, R |
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wrote in message ... Nope. It's anyone concerned more about what they think is style over what I believe is substance...hey, you asked for MY definition, so it's gonna be subjective... All I asked for :) and thanks for the compliment in there. quess we'll just agree to disagree about TU. Later |
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Tim J. wrote:
I think it's time for a big group hug. Is 11:52 EDT okay with everyone? Sorry. I'm penciled in to drown a litter of kittens about that time. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"Rusty Hook" wrote in message ... I checked the regulations directly, in the Colorado Code of Regulations.... Bad precedent. No good can come of this. :( Wolfgang who knows better than to wonder why this has never occurred to anyone else. :) |
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Wolfgang wrote: "Rusty Hook" wrote in message ... I checked the regulations directly, in the Colorado Code of Regulations.... Bad precedent. No good can come of this. :( Wolfgang who knows better than to wonder why this has never occurred to anyone else. :) To be clear. It is the printed regulations package that is distributed to the anglers that is referenced in the first post (pdf link) that is the problem. Please read this, section 8, and draw your own conclusions. Bone |
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wrote in message oups.com... Wolfgang wrote: "Rusty Hook" wrote in message ... I checked the regulations directly, in the Colorado Code of Regulations.... Bad precedent. No good can come of this. :( Wolfgang who knows better than to wonder why this has never occurred to anyone else. :) To be clear. It is the printed regulations package that is distributed to the anglers that is referenced in the first post (pdf link) that is the problem. On a conscious level, the problem is, and will forever remain, a complete mystery to you. You should listen to the little voice that whispers to you rather than continually shrieking to drown it out. Please read this, section 8, and draw your own conclusions. I have enough to read and I'm more interested in explorations than conclusions. You should be too; look at where the latter have gotten you. Wolfgang |
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"William Claspy" wrote in message ... When it comes to ROFF, think blackberry jam. You gots to take the seeds with the sweet. Not necessarily! My 72 year old mother strains the seeds using an *OLD* pair of pantyhose. After a while, you forget the seeds are even there. It's hard to discribe the unusual taste of mother's blackberry and wild raspberry jams? Op --And to see her in her mini-skirt with them purple and red pantyhose, well what a sight!-- Bill, running out of metaphors |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:36:19 -0400, "Mr. Opus McDopus"
wrote: "William Claspy" wrote in message ... When it comes to ROFF, think blackberry jam. You gots to take the seeds with the sweet. Not necessarily! My 72 year old mother strains the seeds using an *OLD* pair of pantyhose. After a while, you forget the seeds are even there. It's hard to discribe the unusual taste of mother's blackberry and wild raspberry jams? Op --And to see her in her mini-skirt with them purple and red pantyhose, well what a sight!-- My newsgroup day was going very well up until this point.G Kiyu |
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