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On 7/26/06 7:51 AM, in article , "Conan The
Librarian" wrote: Maybe we should talk about handtools vs. powertools instead. :-) Well, you gotta at least pick something that is debatable! Dewey vs. LC? :-) Bill |
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"Kevin Vang" wrote in message t... In article , says... Maybe we should talk about handtools vs. powertools instead. :-) Well, you gotta at least pick something that is debatable! I'll start! We just tore down our deck and re-built it, the old deck having succumbed to a terminal case of dry rot. I suppose that I could have built it without a reciprocating saw, circular saw, compound miter saw, cordless electric drill, air compressor and pneumatic framing nailer, but I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted to. I will admit to feeling virtuous when I watch a paper thin shaving curl up out of a handplane, but I don't think that cross cutting 2x6's with hand saw would give me the same warm fuzzy feeling, especially not when it's 95 out. Hm...... Well, a compressor and a couple few pneumatic nailers are certainly "must have" tools, but for a deck? We just built our own deck a couple of weeks ago. This was our first major project in a couple of years (the fence we did last summer doesn't really qualify as "major"). Prior to that, we built about 8 decks and 2 16 foot gazebos over the course of the last 7 years. The only time we used nails was for joist hangers and for shingles on the gazebos. Everything else is done with screws.....well, except for a few carriage bolts on the framing. A boy MUST have dedicated electric screw shooters, and cordless (as handy as they are for other applications) simply will not do. "Reciprocating saw" is kinda vague. In fact, a boy needs both a Sawzall (Milwaukee Electric Tool's proprietary name for their product......and Milwaukee still makes the best on the market) for heavy duty work, and a smaller portable jig saw for tight curves, stop cuts, etc. And where the hell are your belt sander, electric planer, disc grinder, hammer drill, heavy duty 1/2 inch drill, etc.? Kevin (and yes, I know that building a deck isn't really woodworking...) Sacrilege! :( Wolfgang |
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On 7/26/06 11:28 AM, in article
, "Kevin Vang" wrote: In article , says... Maybe we should talk about handtools vs. powertools instead. :-) Well, you gotta at least pick something that is debatable! I'll start! We just tore down our deck and re-built it, the old deck having succumbed to a terminal case of dry rot. I suppose that I could have built it without a reciprocating saw, circular saw, compound miter saw, cordless electric drill, air compressor and pneumatic framing nailer, but I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted to. I guess that's why they make both chocolate AND vanilla. :-) I will admit to feeling virtuous when I watch a paper thin shaving curl up out of a handplane, but Virtuous? Hell, it gives some folks an orgasm! I don't think that cross cutting 2x6's with hand saw would give me the same warm fuzzy feeling, especially not when it's 95 out. While it is not debatable that doing so wouldn't give Kevin Vang the same warm fuzzies, some may disagree, and rightfully so. I'll admit to using each and every one of those tools you list (some more than others) but at the end of the day, while I'll stand back and have a certain feeling of satisfaction of a job well done, I won't get any warm fuzzy feelings. I would suggest that you try x-cutting some 2x stock with a well sharpened hand saw- preferably a comfy-handled vintage Disston- and see what you think. I'll suggest that if you do, you might well stand back from the saw horses and think "I did THAT? That EASILY? With a HAND saw?" Or, then again, you might not. :-) I'll also add that if speed in finishing a project is important to you, hand tool carpentry might not be the way to go. Currently I'm working on* a firewood crib. I'm using the project to practice timber framing and am primarily relying on hand tool joinery. I started last summer. It isn't even standing yet. But I'll have warm fuzzies not just when it is done, but during as well. And the usual plusses of hand tool work apply- the kids can help, the cat doesn't disappear three backyards away, I can work early morning or evening without ****ing off the neighbors, ... (and yes, I know that building a deck isn't really woodworking...) Ain't no shame in carpentry. No more'n in fishing streamers. :-) Bill *So in this case, "working on" means the timbers are out back, the design is in my head, and I'm just waiting for some cooler weather to really have at it. |
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William Claspy wrote:
On 7/26/06 11:28 AM, in article , "Kevin Vang" wrote: I will admit to feeling virtuous when I watch a paper thin shaving curl up out of a handplane, but Virtuous? Hell, it gives some folks an orgasm! I dunno about orgasms, but there is a certain tactile pleasure to seeing a one-sided shaving go floating towards the ceiling and then being able to see your reflection in the surface left on the board. Especially if it's some really nasty quilted maple or curly koa or such. And a "paper thin" shaving is *way* too thick. :-) I don't think that cross cutting 2x6's with hand saw would give me the same warm fuzzy feeling, especially not when it's 95 out. While it is not debatable that doing so wouldn't give Kevin Vang the same warm fuzzies, some may disagree, and rightfully so. I'll admit to using each and every one of those tools you list (some more than others) but at the end of the day, while I'll stand back and have a certain feeling of satisfaction of a job well done, I won't get any warm fuzzy feelings. I would suggest that you try x-cutting some 2x stock with a well sharpened hand saw- preferably a comfy-handled vintage Disston- and see what you think. I'll suggest that if you do, you might well stand back from the saw horses and think "I did THAT? That EASILY? With a HAND saw?" Or, then again, you might not. :-) When I built my workbench I ripped all the wood for it with a nicely-tuned no-name ripsaw. Nothing like handsawing 15 5'+ long 2x strips to keep you warm on a cold(ish) January day in Texas. :-) Of course my neighbor drove by while I was working, saw me leaning over my ripping horse (different beast from a pain old "sawhorse") and hollered out, "Ya need to getya a skilsaur, Chuck". After I shot him the finger it dawned on me that not everyone might think of what I was doing as good exercise ... or totally sane, for that matter. :-) I'll also add that if speed in finishing a project is important to you, hand tool carpentry might not be the way to go. Currently I'm working on* a firewood crib. I'm using the project to practice timber framing and am primarily relying on hand tool joinery. I started last summer. It isn't even standing yet. But I'll have warm fuzzies not just when it is done, but during as well. And the usual plusses of hand tool work apply- the kids can help, the cat doesn't disappear three backyards away, I can work early morning or evening without ****ing off the neighbors, ... Amen. I can listen to the birds, and many's the time I've been working away only to look up and see a deer or three no more than 10-15' away staring at me intently. Of course, they might also be thinking I need to get me a skilsaw. It's hard to tell with them. Another true story: I had been working away on whatever the project du jour was, while some wasps were going about their business building a nest right on the garage overhang. They didn't bother me ... I didn't bother them. I got my routah out to do some roundingovah with my roundingovah bit (tm, Nahm), and as soon as I fired it up, I had a bunch of ****ed off wasps. Must have been the wrong frequency (Kenneth) or something. When I stopped the routah they went back to their business. (and yes, I know that building a deck isn't really woodworking...) Ain't no shame in carpentry. No more'n in fishing streamers. :-) Ahem. :-) Bill *So in this case, "working on" means the timbers are out back, the design is in my head, and I'm just waiting for some cooler weather to really have at it. Hey, if that's the criteria, I've got a dozen projects I'm working on. :-) Chuck Vance (wait until I tell SWMBO ... she'll be delighted) |
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On 7/26/06 1:47 PM, in article , "Conan The
Librarian" wrote: I got my routah out to do some roundingovah with my roundingovah bit They make a round-over bit for the #71 now??? :-) B (sorry guys, we could go on like this for DAYS!) |
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William Claspy wrote:
On 7/26/06 1:47 PM, in article , "Conan The Librarian" wrote: I got my routah out to do some roundingovah with my roundingovah bit They make a round-over bit for the #71 now??? :-) If they don't already, I figure Robin Lee is working on it. :-) B (sorry guys, we could go on like this for DAYS!) Well it sure beats the hell outta watching those old C&R re-runs go around in Tim's head again. Chuck Vance (so, you buy any new old tools lately?) |
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