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On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
wrote in message oups.com... Wolfgang wrote: "Cyli" wrote in message ... On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote: (snipped) That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has stipulated for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes invade the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will lend new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport." :) That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. I think he was referring to the backwoods attitudes. Small town WI and UP is a bit more forceful about what they think their rights are than the left and right coast urbanites are. Actually, small town backwoods anywhere is pretty forceful, though sometimes they're quiet and subtle about it. Sometimes not so subtle. As I'm sure you remember, we came very close to a shooting war over fishing rights in northern Wisconsin as recently as fifteen years ago. There were numerous violent incidents. It is little short of a miracle that no one got killed.....this time. The fire is under control, for the moment, but it is by no means out. I'll be much surprised if it doesn't flare up again in the not too distant future. Of course, this particular set of circumstances was exacerbated by virulent racism but any attempt to ban fishing (in the instant case, it was only about the perception that one group was getting more than its fair share......well, ostensibly, anyway) WOULD be met with lethal opposition. Wolfgang These people are not releasing their catch because they're real fishermen (as opposed to wet golfers). Which people? They're not in danger of losing anything. Well, all of the parties directly involved were in danger of losing their health, their livelihood, their liberty, their property, their right (or privilege....or whatever else one cares to call it) to fish, money in the amount of whatever fines might be levied for various offenses.......and their lives. Dumbass. Wolfgang |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
wrote in message ups.com... As I have already documented, starting with the state parks. http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 Your pal, TBone Guilt replaced the creel. how does "Peta has requested....." translate into anything, Tim?? I mean, I would like Pennsylvania to give me a 2% cut from the upcoming slot machine parlors, and could put that request to the Governor, but I doubt anything will come of it. Twenty loons sending a petition is similar in impact. As was stated, show us any sign of progress since you first posted this hypothesis...... Tom |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Tom Littleton wrote: wrote in message ups.com... As I have already documented, starting with the state parks. http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 Your pal, TBone Guilt replaced the creel. how does "Peta has requested....." translate into anything, Tim?? I mean, I would like Pennsylvania to give me a 2% cut from the upcoming slot machine parlors, and could put that request to the Governor, but I doubt anything will come of it. Twenty loons sending a petition is similar in impact. As was stated, show us any sign of progress since you first posted this hypothesis...... Tom With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was PETA going to follow. I provided a very clear answer with the links that showed the strategy in the form of incrementalism, starting with State Parks. The links are clear regarding this intent, if not immediate success with the tactic, a claim I did not make. Fact is, fishing is banned more and more in wetlands and wildlife and waterfowl sanctuaries etc. It is closed at Hanging Lake in colorado as 'incompatible with the harmony' and, it would not suprise me to see it banned in city and state parks as the first cut. Your pal, Tim |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
wrote in message With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was PETA going to follow. I provided a very clear answer with the links that showed the strategy in the form of incrementalism, starting with State Parks. The links are clear regarding this intent, if not immediate success with the tactic, a claim I did not make. Fact is, fishing is banned more and more in wetlands and wildlife and waterfowl sanctuaries etc. It is closed at Hanging Lake in colorado as 'incompatible with the harmony' and, it would not suprise me to see it banned in city and state parks as the first cut. Your pal, Tim Still, you made the claim that by 2020, we would see a "ban on sportfishing", and I see little, if any real traction on that front. I don't fear banning or limiting activities in wildlife refuges as a threat. Frankly, if one can accept streams regulated for fishing, one should accept other areas(even streams) regulated towards other aims. Tom |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was PETA going to follow.... that wasn't my question at all ... I asked you: "how do you see this ban progressing? Given that many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum" I didn't mention PETA at all. cheers |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
RalphH wrote:
With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was PETA going to follow.... that wasn't my question at all ... I asked you: "how do you see this ban progressing? Given that many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum" I didn't mention PETA at all. I misunderstood your question. The way I see this progressing is that animal rights interest groups will have steadily increasing public support and will become more and more organized. They will go after specific bans and various 'minor' successes then build on that. This would be coincedent with a population that is ever more urbanized. I believe that the last census, for example, saw people retreating from wilderness. The city 'loft' society, if you will. The tournements and pure catch and release sportsfishing (modern 'trophy' hunters with no biological reason for harming fish) will be the initial target, and, perhaps, the last target. I believe it will be impossible, in the foreseeable future anyway, that these groups can have the same affect on subsistence or other management (with sound biological reasons) strategies. We must always question our relationship with animals and chose an ethical strategy. I've always felt that pure catch and release offered the least defense of all the options, it will have to be compromised, IMO. Good yakkin' with ya Ralph. Halfordian Golfer |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
On 27 Jul 2006 18:51:46 -0700, wrote:
RalphH wrote: With all due respect, the question RalphH asked was what strategy was PETA going to follow.... that wasn't my question at all ... I asked you: "how do you see this ban progressing? Given that many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum" I didn't mention PETA at all. I misunderstood your question. So why not "name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum"? And how about some 'documentation' that is less than 5 years old. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
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On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Conan The Librarian wrote: wrote: The way I see this progressing is that animal rights interest groups will have steadily increasing public support and will become more and more organized. They will go after specific bans and various 'minor' successes then build on that. You may feel that way, but none of the links you posted support that claim. If you have any evidence that efforts like those you cited have been garnering "steadily increasing public support", please do post them. http://www.peta.org/feat/annualreview05/numbers.asp Your pal, TBone Greed replaced the sport. |
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