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"Old Codger" wrote in message
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Oh yes indeed. I can remember when informed scientific opinion claimed we
were heading for a new ice age. That would presumably have meant lots
more water, before it all froze. Not that long ago either.

proves that it is time for everybody to accept that others have opinions and
to let the whole thing drop :-))

Mike

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PMWS pork entering food chain

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:54:34 -0000, "Jim Webster"
wrote:

"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

I also said you would have to cut domestic water consumption

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption, because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

of course it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the vast urban
population, oh no, no way, they have to be innocent

yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable
for
arable
cultivation

Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.

in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread making
wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat

'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..

yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.

You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.

at least I don't selectively snip to change the sense of what people
write

*I* haven't snipped anything here (and when I do I indicate it), liar.

fond of that word aren't you, a guilty conscience perhaps

That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production

- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

exactly. And it is grown in the areas where it can be grown, the rest of
the
land is unlikely to produce bread making wheat which is why more wheat
isn't
grown

61% does.. Wheat is grown, partly as it *is* suited to the climate.

no, on the land fit for growing wheat, only 61% is suitable for bread
making. This does not prove that on land on which wheat is not grown, 61%
will be suitable for bread making

I'm glad you've noticed OSR,

What's that?

you mean you posted great screds of stuff about something you didn't
understand

No. Clearly I don't understand what "OSR" stands for.

then read what you post before posting it next time

you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel

'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note

Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.

wriggle wriggle wriggle

You should excel in wriggling by now with so much practice.

where does your food come from

where does your food come from pearl

why are you so embarassed about its source, is it because pearl would have
to admit that it came from water deficit countries

lot of things embarass pearl, her name, her job, her diet

I bet she's not embarrassed about her looks, unlike you!

PMWS pork entering food chain

"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message

not such things as grazing land

I remember the summer of '95 in Essex. Grass all burned up.

yes, and did you see any irrigation of grassland because I travelled
pretty well right round the country that year and never

No.

Any idea why England is experiencing this extended drought?

what extended drought, there is some shortage in some regions but talk
about extended drought in the west and you'd be laughed at

'This is what has happened in south-east England. Two dry years
have reduced the amount of water available to both people and the
environment. You can see from the diagrams on the right that since
October 2004, south-east England has only had a few months of
average or above average.

then they will have to cut domestic water consumption

Don't forget vegetables.. but it's all worth it.. even the heart disease,
etc.
And what about remaining native flora and fauna.. Who cares, eh, jim.

yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we produce our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable for
arable
cultivation

Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.

in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread making wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat

'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..
In the early days there were four farmers within ten miles of Little
Salkeld who supplied the wheat, ..
..'
http://www.nw-enquirer.co.uk/weekend...607211107.html

'Arable crops grown in the UK

The UK is the fourth largest producer of cereal and oilseed crops
in the EU (after France, Germany and Poland) accounting for about
8% of total EU production. [....]

Within UK agriculture, arable crops account for about 16% of
total output. Cereals (and/or oilseeds) are grown on around 70,000
holdings across the country, the majority in the eastern part of
England, some in Scotland and a few in Wales and Northern Ireland.
This accounts for about 70% of all cropping on agricultural land,
though in terms of overall use, grass, rough grazing and forestry
between them take around 75% of the total available area. [..]

Wheat and barley are the most important cereal crops grown in the
United Kingdom. Production of oats and rye has declined drastically
whilst a new cross of rye and wheat, called triticale, has been
introduced. All these cereals are well suited to the UK's temperate
climate. [..]

Wheat

Wheat is the most widely grown arable crop in the UK covering
around 2 million hectares and producing about 15.5 million tonnes
each year. Wheat is a versatile crop and is found in thousands of
food products e.g. bread, cakes, biscuits and breakfast cereals.

Barley

Barley is grown on around 1.1 million hectares and produces an
output of around 6 million tonnes. About 2 million tonnes are used
in the production of malt, a key ingredient in beer and whisky. The
balance is largely used in animal feeds.

Oil seed rape

The bright yellow flowers of oil seed rape cover 0.5 million hectares
each year producing around 1.5 million tonnes of seed. The seed is
crushed to extract oil used in the food and animal feed industries,
with the residue being used as a high protein animal feed ingredient.

Oats

Oats represent around 3% of the total UK cereals area and are mostly
sown in the autumn months. About half of the oat crop is milled and
used for human consumption (e.g. breakfast cereals, cheese biscuits
and haggis), the balance being used for animal feed.
..
http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/crops/index.htm

And what's wrong with the UK soil, that it's 'unsuitable' as you claim?
Remember that Britain used to be almost entirely woodland. Will you
also say that "permanent pasture" is unable to support fruit orchards?

indeed and the grazing of livestock and feeding of pigs in orchards has a
long history. A lot of work has been done in New Zealand on interspersing
timber and grazing never mind orchards and grazing

Tsk... if only they'd thought of that much sooner....

'New Zealand, world-renowned for its sheep. With about
100,000 square miles, 80 million sheep, and 8 million cattle,
New Zealand has the world's highest livestock density -
equivalent to about 1200 sheep per square mile. Much of the
island nation is steep, rugged, densely forested, or otherwise
unproductive for livestock, so density in areas actually grazed
approaches 2000 sheep per square mile!

Were New Zealand not well-watered and lushly vegetated, it
could not support even a fraction of these animals. However,
environmental damage here can only be described as extreme.
About half of the country now resembles an immense golf
course covered chiefly with exotic vegetation. Forests that once
blanketed most of the islands have been reduced to 5% of their
original coverage. In large portions of the North Island "slips" --
or huge sections of topsoil -- are sliding off the overgrazed hills.
In the worst areas, former subtropical and temperate forest is
now virtual desert. Most of New Zealand's unique animal life is
gone, and some species are extinct or in danger of extinction,
due largely to livestock grazing and ranching practices.
..'
http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html

'The planet's mantle of trees has already declined by a third
relative to preagricultural times, and much of that remaining
is damaged or deteriorating. Historically, the demand for
grazing land is a major cause of worldwide clearing of forest
of most types. Currently, livestock production, fuel wood
gathering, lumbering, and clearing for crops are denuding a
conservatively estimated 40 million acres of the Earth's
forestland each year.
..
From woodland to grassland to desert, throughout most of
the inhabited globe, livestock production is a primary cause
of environmental deterioration and sustained degradation
that is, prevention of recovery. Many ancient civilizations in
southern Europe, North Africa, Arabia, the Indus Valley, India,
central Asia and elsewhere -declined under its impact, and the
vast majority of countries have serious livestock problems now.
...'
http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html

Another illustration of the effects of livestock grazing:

'The Forest Service defines range as "land that provides or is
capable of providing forage for grazing or browsing animals
[read: 'livestock']." By this definition more than 80% of the
West qualifies as range, including a complex array of more than
40 major ecosystem types, all of which have been significantly
degraded by ranching. ..
..
Numerous historical accounts do confirm drastic, detrimental
changes in plant and animal life, soil, water, and fire conditions
throughout most of the West. These reports progressively
establish livestock grazing as the biggest single perpetrator of
these changes, particularly considering that it was the only
significant land use over most of the West.

One of the most useful and informative descriptions of the early
West was that of Meriweather Lewis and William Clark on their
famous expedition across the northern Midwest, Rockies, and
Pacific Northwest from 1804 to 1806 (Thwaites 1959). Their
descriptions of the unconquered West are of a world we can
scarcely imagine: landscapes filled with wildlife; great diversities
of lush vegetation; highly productive, free-flowing rivers, creeks,
and springs; abundant, dark, fertile soil; unaltered, unimpeded fire
and other natural processes. Of the Montana plains, one excerpt
from Clark reads, "we observe in every direction Buffalow, Elk
Antelopes & Mule Deer inumerable and so jintle that we could
approach them near with great ease." Another states, We saw a
great number of buffaloe, Elk, common and Black tailed deer,
goats [pronghorn] beaver and wolves. ..

In the West today only ungrazed Yellowstone National Park
supports nearly this variety and density of large wild animals. ..

Lewis and Clark's and other historic journals attest that buffalo,
elk, deer, bighorns, pronghorn, mountain goats, moose, horses,
grizzly and black bears, wolves, foxes, cougars, bobcats,
beaver, muskrats, river otters, fish, porcupines, wild turkeys
and other "game" birds, waterfowl, snakes, prairie dogs and
other rodents, most insects, and the vast majority of wild
animals were all many times more abundant then than now. So
too were native plants; the journals describe a great abundance
and diversity of grasses and herbaceous vegetation, willows
and deciduous trees, cattails, rushes, sedges, wild grapes,
chokecherries, currants, wild cherries and plums, gooseberries,
"red" and "yellow" berries, service berries, flax, dock, wild
garlic and onions, sunflowers, wild roses, tansy, honeysuckle,
mints, and more, a large number being edible. Most of these
plants have been depleted through the many effects of livestock
grazing for 100 years and are today comparatively scarce.
..'
http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter3.html

Pity some members of these newsgroups do not become scarce!

PMWS pork entering food chain

"(o)(o)" wrote in message
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proves that it is time for everybody to accept that others have opinions and
to let the whole thing drop :-))

Mike

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.................................................. .........
Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

PMWS pork entering food chain

"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message

then they will have to cut domestic water consumption

Don't forget vegetables.. but it's all worth it.. even the heart
disease, etc.
And what about remaining native flora and fauna.. Who cares, eh, jim.

exactly

Really? What an insane attitude. Luckily, jim's kind are in the
minority.
Most people are misinformed + addicted to fat (in this case animal fat).

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption, because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable for
arable
cultivation

Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.

in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread making
wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat

'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..

yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.

You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.

That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production

- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

I'm glad you've noticed OSR,

What's that?

you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel

'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note

Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.

Why don't you snip, and just post to the group you have read this rubbish
in?

PMWS pork entering food chain

"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in
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then they will have to cut domestic water consumption

Don't forget vegetables.. but it's all worth it.. even the heart
disease, etc.
And what about remaining native flora and fauna.. Who cares, eh,
jim.

exactly

Really? What an insane attitude. Luckily, jim's kind are in the
minority.
Most people are misinformed + addicted to fat (in this case animal
fat).

tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption, because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable
for
arable
cultivation

Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.

in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread making
wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat

'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..

yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.

You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.

at least I don't selectively snip to change the sense of what people
write

*I* haven't snipped anything here (and when I do I indicate it), liar.

That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production

- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

exactly. And it is grown in the areas where it can be grown, the rest of
the
land is unlikely to produce bread making wheat which is why more wheat
isn't
grown

61% does.. Wheat is grown, partly as it *is* suited to the climate.

I'm glad you've noticed OSR,

What's that?

you mean you posted great screds of stuff about something you didn't
understand

No. Clearly I don't understand what "OSR" stands for.

you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel

'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note

Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.

wriggle wriggle wriggle

You should excel in wriggling by now with so much practice.

where does your food come from

I long ago learned not to get lost in long circular arguments that
were a total waste of time. You keep trying to change the subject
and get off the embarassing issue that meat is totally destructive.

Why don't you learn to posts just to the groups yu read, and not keep
clogging newsgroups with rubbish that has no bearing on those groups?

It's a very simple proceedure, but perhaps that is too complicated for you

PMWS pork entering food chain

"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

I also said you would have to cut domestic water consumption

Say it again. And maybe some vegetable production too.

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on
washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

of course it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the vast urban
population, oh no, no way, they have to be innocent

Can't you get the simple fact that shortages are due to a lack of rain?

yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we
produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable
for
arable
cultivation

Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.

in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread
making
wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases
we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat

'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..

yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.

You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.

at least I don't selectively snip to change the sense of what people
write

*I* haven't snipped anything here (and when I do I indicate it), liar.

fond of that word aren't you, a guilty conscience perhaps

I'm calling a spade a spade. You lack all credibility.

That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production

- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

exactly. And it is grown in the areas where it can be grown, the rest
of
the
land is unlikely to produce bread making wheat which is why more wheat
isn't
grown

61% does.. Wheat is grown, partly as it *is* suited to the climate.

no,

Yes.

Wheat and barley are the most important cereal crops grown in the
United Kingdom. Production of oats and rye has declined drastically
whilst a new cross of rye and wheat, called triticale, has been
introduced. All these cereals are well suited to the UK's temperate
climate. [..]

Wheat

Wheat is the most widely grown arable crop in the UK covering
around 2 million hectares and producing about 15.5 million tonnes
each year. Wheat is a versatile crop and is found in thousands of
food products e.g. bread, cakes, biscuits and breakfast cereals.
..
http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/crops/index.htm

on the land fit for growing wheat, only 61% is suitable for bread
making.

Ipse dixit. That only 61% of wheat is used does not prove that.

This does not prove that on land on which wheat is not grown, 61%
will be suitable for bread making

?

I'm glad you've noticed OSR,

What's that?

you mean you posted great screds of stuff about something you didn't
understand

No. Clearly I don't understand what "OSR" stands for.

then read what you post before posting it next time

I pity your acquaintances. You're like a bent nail.

you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel

'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note

Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.

wriggle wriggle wriggle

You should excel in wriggling by now with so much practice.

where does your food come from

where does your food come from pearl

why are you so embarassed about its source, is it because pearl would
have
to admit that it came from water deficit countries

lot of things embarass pearl, her name, her job, her diet

You are still either clueless or pretending to be. Fool.

For Christ's sake go away.

PMWS pork entering food chain

"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in
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tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water
consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

I also said you would have to cut domestic water consumption

Say it again. And maybe some vegetable production too.

thats up to the people that live there, they can chose between bathing
and
vegetables

Or you can choose between meat and water (bathing, vegetables, etc.).

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this
happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on
washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

of course it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the vast urban
population, oh no, no way, they have to be innocent

Can't you get the simple fact that shortages are due to a lack of rain?

no lack of rain up here,

And that's all that matters to jim... numero uno.

the fact that the SE has been drawing down the aquifers and using more
than
has fallen for a couple of decades should be born in mind

Link?

They were running short of water before climate change became an issue.

The climate was changing before it became 'an issue'.

Perhaps they ought to fly less and not have cars

'Livestock a major threat to environment

Remedies urgently needed

29 November 2006, Rome - Which causes more greenhouse gas
emissions, rearing cattle or driving cars?

Surprise!

According to a new report published by the United Nations Food
and Agriculture Organization, the livestock sector generates more
greenhouse gas emissions as measured in CO2 equivalent - 18
percent - than transport. It is also a major source of land and water
degradation.

Says Henning Steinfeld, Chief of FAO's Livestock Information and
Policy Branch and senior author of the report: "Livestock are one of
the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental
problems. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation."
...
But such rapid growth exacts a steep environmental price, according to
the FAO report, Livestock's Long Shadow -Environmental Issues and
Options. "The environmental costs per unit of livestock production must
be cut by one half, just to avoid the level of damage worsening beyond
its present level," it warns.

When emissions from land use and land use change are included, the
livestock sector accounts for 9 percent of CO2 deriving from human-
related activities, but produces a much larger share of even more harmful
greenhouse gases. It generates 65 percent of human-related nitrous oxide,
which has 296 times the Global Warming Potential (GWP) of CO2.
Most of this comes from manure.

And it accounts for respectively 37 percent of all human-induced methane
(23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced by the digestive
system of ruminants, and 64 percent of ammonia, which contributes
significantly to acid rain.

Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly
permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land
used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are
cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation,
especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of
former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.

Land and water

At the same time herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about
20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing,
compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands
where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management
contribute to advancing desertification.

The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the
earth's increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other
things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral
reefs. The major polluting agents are animal wastes, antibiotics and
hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides used
to spray feed crops. Widespread overgrazing disturbs water cycles,
reducing replenishment of above and below ground water resources.
Significant amounts of water are withdrawn for the production of feed.

Livestock are estimated to be the main inland source of phosphorous
and nitrogen contamination of the South China Sea, contributing to
biodiversity loss in marine ecosystems.

Meat and dairy animals now account for about 20 percent of all
terrestrial animal biomass. Livestock's presence in vast tracts of land
and its demand for feed crops also contribute to biodiversity loss; 15
out of 24 important ecosystem services are assessed as in decline,
with livestock identified as a culprit.
...'
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html

'Geophysicists Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin from the University of
Chicago concluded that changing one's eating habits from the Standard
American Diet (SAD) to a vegetarian diet does more to fight global
warming than switching from a gas-guzzling SUV to a fuel-efficient
hybrid car. Of course, you can do both - and more! It has been said
that "where the environment is concerned, eating meat is like driving a
huge SUV.... Eating a vegetarian diet is like driving a mid-sized car
[or a reasonable sedan, according to Eshel]. And eating a vegan diet
(no dairy, no eggs) is like riding a bicycle or walking. Shifting away
from SUVs and SUV-style diets, to much more energy-efficient
alternatives, is key to fighting the warming trend.

Global warming is already having grave effects on our planet and we
need to take action. Vegetarians help keep the planet cool in more
ways than one! Paul McCartney says, "If anyone wants to save the
planet, all they have to do is just stop eating meat. That's the single
most important thing you could do." Andrea Gordon, in her article
"If You Recycle, Why Are You Eating Meat?" agrees: "There is a
direct relationship between eating meat and the environment.
E Magazine asked the same question in its cover story, "So You're
an Environmentalist. Why Are You Still Eating Meat?" Quite simply,
you can't be a meat-eating environmentalist. Sorry folks."

Vegetarianism is literally about life and death - for each of us
individually and for all of us together. Eating animals simultaneously
contributes to a multitude of tragedies: the animals' suffering and
death; the ill-health and early death of people; the unsustainable
overuse of oil, water, land, topsoil, grain, labor and other vital
resources; environmental destruction, including deforestation,
species extinction, mono-cropping and global warming; the
legitimacy of force and violence; the mis-allocation of capital,
skills, land and other assets; vast inefficiencies in the economy;
tremendous waste; massive inequalities in the world; the
continuation of world hunger and mass starvation; the transmission
and spread of dangerous diseases; and moral failure in so-called
civilized societies. Vegetarianism is an antidote to all of these
unnecessary tragedies.
...
Global warming, as Al Gore so powerfully shows, is "an
inconvenient truth." The fact that the production of meat
significantly contributes to global warming is another
inconvenient truth. Now we know.

full story: http://www.emagazine.com/view/?3312

..

Please, please, please, just FOAD.

PMWS pork entering food chain

'Mike' wrote:
"Old Codger" wrote in message
...
Oh yes indeed. I can remember when informed scientific opinion claimed we
were heading for a new ice age. That would presumably have meant lots
more water, before it all froze. Not that long ago either.

proves that it is time for everybody to accept that others have opinions and
to let the whole thing drop :-))

Not really, I have just added a new thought to the thread. Someone
*might* wish to respond.

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