How would you esplain it?
 

"Tim J." wrote in message
...
For those reading this who have not been to a ROFF clave, have no fear and
attend one at your earliest convenience. These boys and girl(s) are like
big cuddly teddy bears when they don't have their computer monitors to
shield them. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Brings up a good point for me... When I first started reading ROFF eleven
plus years ago, I really wanted to attend a clave to meet some of the folks
that I have virtually met on ROFF. Over the years, I have met a couple on
fishing outings and would like to meet others such as yourself. Over the
last few years, I have lost interest in attending a clave for fear that I
would meet up with one or more of the people that conduct themselves poorly
on this newsgroup. I seriously doubt I could bite my tongue or hold back
from kicking someone's sorry rear.

It is unfortunate that many of the regulars have left or been run off.

I do however enjoy ROFF, not for the mud slinging, childish behavior or play
ground fights, but the few and far between fly-fishing tips/tricks, TR's and
sometimes a good laugh.

Save a worm, tie a fly!
JT

How would you esplain it?
 

Uh-oh. Replying to Ken in a top-post. No good can come from this. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Tom Nakashima typed:
Try to stay on the topic of fly-fishing.
If there is a post not related to fly-fishing it could be addressed as
"OT:" I feel as people cruise through the newsgroups and are
interested in fly-fishing, if they see the in-fighting & name calling,
it just turns anglers away. Some of these anglers might have some
good advice to bring to ROFF.
Eliminate the name calling and finger pointing. Everyone has the right
to an opinion. The name calling and finger pointing is useless,
doesn't solve anything. I feel if everyone could make an effort
here, become a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start
to
restoring this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of
fly-fishing.
Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?
If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?
If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?
fwiw,
-tom


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tom Nakashima wrote:
I was wondering,
why not restore ROFF?
Get it back on track to being a good group for fly-fishing.
I believe if everyone makes an effort it can be done.

Just what, exactly, do you propose everyone should do ? I mean,
make an effort to do what, exactly ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

How would you esplain it?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:

Try to stay on the topic of fly-fishing.
If there is a post not related to fly-fishing it could be addressed as
"OT:" I feel as people cruise through the newsgroups and are
interested in fly-fishing, if they see the in-fighting & name calling,
it just turns anglers away. Some of these anglers might have some
good advice to bring to ROFF.
Eliminate the name calling and finger pointing. Everyone has the right
to an opinion. The name calling and finger pointing is useless, doesn't
solve anything. I feel if everyone could make an effort here, become
a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start to restoring
this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of fly-fishing.

Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

I wouldn't dare to speak for Ken, but I can't resist fun questions
like these:

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But that pretty much holds true for
all of Usenet ... and life in general.

If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?

More discussion about flyfishing in Texas. Especially anglers'
secret hot spots.

If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?

It depends on which posts you're referring to. If it was a mix of
flyfishing, bickering, politics, sports and drinking, I'd think, "Wow,
this is just like going on a fishing trip with friends".


Chuck Vance (let me guess, you're fairly new to Usenet, no?)

How would you esplain it?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:

... I feel if everyone could make an effort here, become
a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start to restoring
this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of fly-fishing.

Just an FYI, "courteous" and top-posting are mutually exclusive in a
Usenet newsgroup where the convention is the normal bottom posting.

Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?

Sure why not, it's not all that much different than from any
other time in its history. Polite, on-topic queries are always
responded to with good info from knowledgable fly fishermen.

If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?
If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?

I'd think "Damn, these guys are contentious, I'd better read this
group for awhile before I wander in and do something stupid like
top-posting."

--
Ken Fortenberry

How would you esplain it?
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
et...
Tom Nakashima wrote:

... I feel if everyone could make an effort here, become
a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start to restoring
this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of fly-fishing.

Just an FYI, "courteous" and top-posting are mutually exclusive in a
Usenet newsgroup where the convention is the normal bottom posting.

Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?

Sure why not, it's not all that much different than from any
other time in its history. Polite, on-topic queries are always
responded to with good info from knowledgable fly fishermen.

If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?
If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?

I'd think "Damn, these guys are contentious, I'd better read this
group for awhile before I wander in and do something stupid like
top-posting."

--
Ken Fortenberry

Here's your bottom post Ken and glad you responded back.
If you're happy with the newsgroup, then there is nothing more I
need to say to you on this matter, other than; "Good luck and
enjoy fly-fishing."
fwiw,
-tom

How would you esplain it?
 

JT typed:
"Tim J." wrote in message
...
For those reading this who have not been to a ROFF clave, have no
fear and attend one at your earliest convenience. These boys and
girl(s) are like big cuddly teddy bears when they don't have their
computer monitors to shield them. ;-)

Brings up a good point for me... When I first started reading ROFF
eleven plus years ago, I really wanted to attend a clave to meet some
of the folks that I have virtually met on ROFF. Over the years, I
have met a couple on fishing outings and would like to meet others
such as yourself. Over the last few years, I have lost interest in
attending a clave for fear that I would meet up with one or more of
the people that conduct themselves poorly on this newsgroup. I
seriously doubt I could bite my tongue or hold back from kicking
someone's sorry rear.

I'll bet you could. ;-)

It is unfortunate that many of the regulars have left or been run off.

Nobody can get "run off."

I do however enjoy ROFF, not for the mud slinging, childish behavior
or play ground fights, but the few and far between fly-fishing
tips/tricks, TR's and sometimes a good laugh.

I think some of the disagreements you mention are necessary for several
reasons. Readers need to know the writer's reference. Many writers can
appear to give expert advice and unless someone else calls their bluff,
which usually ****es off the writer, people new to the sport will be left
floundering with bad information. Unfortunately, there are some who
absolutely cannot take any form of criticism or cannot realize another point
of view and come unglued when a challenge is issued.

This place just needs a good enema from time to time. I miss Peter Charles,
Willi, Waldo, etc. and I miss wayno's wit and more regular posting habits,
but things change and people move on depending on their fancies at the
moment.

.. . . and, yes, laughing is good, and is sometimes richer when it's at your
own expense. IMHO, people need to lighten up, let some stuff slide by, and
not be so defensive. But, hey, what do I know?
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Mar 22, 9:58 pm, "RalphH" wrote:

Hey Ralph,

Good to see you pop in. Thanks for the pics, it reminds me of what
living near water is like ;-)

Jon.

How would you esplain it?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:

Try to stay on the topic of fly-fishing.
If there is a post not related to fly-fishing it could be addressed as
"OT:" I feel as people cruise through the newsgroups and are
interested in fly-fishing, if they see the in-fighting & name calling,
it just turns anglers away. Some of these anglers might have some
good advice to bring to ROFF.
Eliminate the name calling and finger pointing. Everyone has the right
to an opinion. The name calling and finger pointing is useless, doesn't
solve anything. I feel if everyone could make an effort here, become
a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start to restoring
this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of fly-fishing.

Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?
If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?
If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?

FYI, here's a little something you might find interesting. It's
from a group I spent a lot of time in. Notice the date:

http://tinyurl.com/2xz9ep


Chuck Vance (welcome to Usenet, hope you enjoy your stay)

How would you esplain it?
 

"Tim J." wrote in message
...

It is unfortunate that many of the regulars have left or been run off.

Nobody can get "run off."

I agree, however I think you know what I mean...? It's internet bully's I
tell ya! ;)

I do however enjoy ROFF, not for the mud slinging, childish behavior
or play ground fights, but the few and far between fly-fishing
tips/tricks, TR's and sometimes a good laugh.

I think some of the disagreements you mention are necessary for several
reasons. Readers need to know the writer's reference. Many writers can
appear to give expert advice and unless someone else calls their bluff,
which usually ****es off the writer, people new to the sport will be left
floundering with bad information. Unfortunately, there are some who
absolutely cannot take any form of criticism or cannot realize another
point of view and come unglued when a challenge is issued.

Very true, however when it comes to the name calling, personal insults and
bringing family into the mix, I don't think it has a place on ROFF.


This place just needs a good enema from time to time. I miss Peter
Charles, Willi, Waldo, etc. and I miss wayno's wit and more regular
posting habits, but things change and people move on depending on their
fancies at the moment.

I miss those and others as well. A great deal of the expertise that was once
here has moved on to other forums. Many that are left probably have a great
deal to add, however it over shadowed by their spewing of name calling,
etc...

. . . and, yes, laughing is good, and is sometimes richer when it's at
your own expense. IMHO, people need to lighten up, let some stuff slide
by, and not be so defensive.

Yep...

Later,
JT

How would you esplain it?
 

Someone said:

First, as to rec.woodworking -- have you actually looked at the
content of those posts? On any given day you have tons of spam, repeat
questions about what's the best [insert power tool here] to buy, pleas
for links to free plans for everything under the sun, debates on whether
Norm Abrams is really the anti-christ or just another Jewish carpenter,
questions on what sort of stain should be used on cherry, etc., etc., ad
nauseum.

I just looked at rec.woodworking. It does have all of those things,
however:
1) there are fewer off topic posts than here (take a look)
2) far less bickering
3) *more* commercial spam, but not that much more

You seem to complain (about rec.woodworking) that questions about
what stain to use are a bad thing. I say that's what the newsgroup
is meant to deal with. Here we get so little on topic conversation
of any kind a little elementary stuff would be a welcome change.

Yes, all of usenet has been diminished by the allure of
interactive forums that allow icons, images, etc.

But many usenet groups are doing just fine, despite all that.
rec.woodworking was just one example. ROFF has lost so
much traffic it seems to be heading for oblivion .

Is that a troll or an observation worth talking about?