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On 16 Sep, 00:53, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

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Ken Fortenberry

Kenny boy, you are an ignorant and totally worthless ****bag, whose
main aim in life is making it difficult for others. One can only hope
that someday, one or more of those who you have insulted or hurt
finally gets a grip of you.

News of such would be cause for quite a bit of jubilation here, and
doubtless elsewhere.

Most people have simply resigned themselves to your existence, much
like they resign themselves to dog**** on the pavement. All one can do
is attempt to avoid it, and hope one is not contaminated too much when
one accidentally steps in it. You are unfortunately even worse than
dog****, as dog**** does not jump up and plaster itself on people..

Regardless of your bluster and bull****, people know you for what you
are.

MC

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Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... And of course, I own you. Every time I push
your button you perform your act, just like a monkey trained
to toss his **** at the glass outside his cage you fire off
foul-mouthed insults and loony rants. ...

Kenny boy, you are ...

LOL !! Right on time, Your Loony Mikeness. I push the
button, you perform your act. Just like a good monkey.

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Ken Fortenberry

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On 16 Sep, 00:37, Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Sep 14, 3:37 pm, Lazarus Cooke



Thanks very much. I have a good image of London and the nature of
it, how many million people in how large an area? The Euro-USD thing
is a concern, which is a bummer for sure. So let me ask again a little
more clearly. If a guy was in England and wanted to sample some of the
best english flyfishing what would the top places be?

Thanks guys.

Sincerely,

TBone

Most of the info you need about London is here Tim;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London

There are lots of places to go fly-fishing in the UK, but about 90%
of fly-fishing nowadays in England proper, is for stocked, force-fed
rainbows, on still waters. Mainly drinking water reservoirs. As
already stated, the main problem for good river fly-fishing is
obtaining access. This is often either impossible or very expensive.
The guide services I mentioned have access to some very good water.

Also rather depends on what you are looking for. My personal choice
for some relatively good ( river trout) fishing would be, as Lazarus
also noted, various places in either Scotland, or Ireland, and I have
a particular soft spot for The Hebrides. At one time I fished
extensively in the North of England. My elder brother still fishes
there quite extensively. But a lot of the fishing there is now very
very difficult to obtain, and prices in some places are prohibitive.
Many ( running) waters are controlled by clubs, and many only issue
day tickets to guests of members. For scenery, then the lake district
and Scotland are probably your best bet.

http://www.lakedistrictfishing.net/

Some info here; http://www.fishing-scotland.co.uk/

http://www.kinlochuist.com/

There are many web sites with info on this, and also on spots and
areas in Ireland.

Most of the really good ( river) fishing in England is difficult and
expensive to obtain, even for residents.

You need to know more or less exactly what you want before you go, and
also do quite a bit of planning. As otherwise you are likely to be
disappointed. To be perfectly honest, if I were in your position, I
would "do the sights", as it were, ( as far as one might wish to), and
wait till I got back to America for the fishing!

TL
MC

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On 16 Sep, 02:26, Mike wrote:


By the way, Euros are not valid currency in Britain. they still use
the "Pound Sterling", commonly referred to as "British Pounds".

TL
MC

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On 15 Sep, 03:00, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

I see the game now!! You're just trying to get Mike to
build you a fly rod! Well played.
Tom
p.s. I left the g out, but my intentions should be obvious

I might just possibly be prevailed upon to send a note to his funeral,
but only after wiping my arse on it.

MC

PS. I left the " :) " out quite deliberately, as my intentions should
be obvious.

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"Tim J." wrote in message
. ..

Ken Fortenberry typed:
and she *means it*. ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

Uh, are you sure that's a she? I think I see a 5:00 shadow. . .
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/


Yeah it's a guy of some renown.....

john

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On Sep 15, 6:26 pm, Mike wrote:
On 16 Sep, 00:37, Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Sep 14, 3:37 pm, Lazarus Cooke

Thanks very much. I have a good image of London and the nature of
it, how many million people in how large an area? The Euro-USD thing
is a concern, which is a bummer for sure. So let me ask again a little
more clearly. If a guy was in England and wanted to sample some of the
best english flyfishing what would the top places be?

Thanks guys.

Sincerely,

TBone

Most of the info you need about London is here Tim;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London

There are lots of places to go fly-fishing in the UK, but about 90%
of fly-fishing nowadays in England proper, is for stocked, force-fed
rainbows, on still waters. Mainly drinking water reservoirs. As
already stated, the main problem for good river fly-fishing is
obtaining access. This is often either impossible or very expensive.
The guide services I mentioned have access to some very good water.

Also rather depends on what you are looking for. My personal choice
for some relatively good ( river trout) fishing would be, as Lazarus
also noted, various places in either Scotland, or Ireland, and I have
a particular soft spot for The Hebrides. At one time I fished
extensively in the North of England. My elder brother still fishes
there quite extensively. But a lot of the fishing there is now very
very difficult to obtain, and prices in some places are prohibitive.
Many ( running) waters are controlled by clubs, and many only issue
day tickets to guests of members. For scenery, then the lake district
and Scotland are probably your best bet.

http://www.lakedistrictfishing.net/

Some info here; http://www.fishing-scotland.co.uk/

http://www.kinlochuist.com/

There are many web sites with info on this, and also on spots and
areas in Ireland.

Most of the really good ( river) fishing in England is difficult and
expensive to obtain, even for residents.

You need to know more or less exactly what you want before you go, and
also do quite a bit of planning. As otherwise you are likely to be
disappointed. To be perfectly honest, if I were in your position, I
would "do the sights", as it were, ( as far as one might wish to), and
wait till I got back to America for the fishing!

TL
MC

Thanks Mike, this is invaluable. To be honest "the sights", to me, are
boring, I really could care less about most of it. I'd much rather get
a feel for the country and the people. Honestly, you do not get this
where the majority of people are not from around there! I think also
that there is also a feeling that a place really has to be good to
recommend it, which is nonsense. Just a decent place to wet a line and
then wet the whistle shouldn't be too hard to come by would it? I have
a hard time imagining being on a coast somewhere where there aren't
fish off the beach and rocks? I do wonder if it's worth the hassle but
think it would be cool to just head out, take a travel rod and some
flies but with very little expectations of, perhaps, not even jointing
it on the trip. Hard to get disappointed then, ya know?

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On 16 Sep, 16:25, Halfordian Golfer wrote:

Thanks Mike, this is invaluable. To be honest "the sights", to me, are
boring, I really could care less about most of it. I'd much rather get
a feel for the country and the people. Honestly, you do not get this
where the majority of people are not from around there! I think also
that there is also a feeling that a place really has to be good to
recommend it, which is nonsense. Just a decent place to wet a line and
then wet the whistle shouldn't be too hard to come by would it? I have
a hard time imagining being on a coast somewhere where there aren't
fish off the beach and rocks? I do wonder if it's worth the hassle but
think it would be cool to just head out, take a travel rod and some
flies but with very little expectations of, perhaps, not even jointing
it on the trip. Hard to get disappointed then, ya know?

My pleasure Tim.

Unfortunately, the decline in fish stocks around the UK coast has has
continued steadily over the last few years. This is mainly a result of
commercial overfishing, pollution, the dumping of large quantities of
commercial and chemical waste, and disastrous fishery policies. It is
unfortunately indeed the case, that in most places nowadays, you
simply will not catch anything at all from the coast. In many places
the sea bed has been stripped bare by dredge trawlers, in the case of
pelagic fish, drift nets and pair trawlers have taken a very heavy
toll. Indeed in most accessible places the demersal zone has also
suffered to the extent of almost complete destruction. Even spawning
fish being dredged up form their spawning grounds, with the attendant
environmental destruction. Industrial fishing, ( for fishmeal
production) has also removed the base of the food chain from many
areas, and there are simply no fish there any more.

I can not in all honesty recommend coastal fishing anywhere at all in
the UK. Even in the "best" places it would only be a sad joke in
comparison to what one hears of America and other places.

Sorry to have to say it, but that´s just how it is.

TL
MC

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In article . com,
Halfordian Golfer wrote:



Thanks Mike, this is invaluable. To be honest "the sights", to me, are
boring, I really could care less about most of it. I'd much rather get
a feel for the country and the people. Honestly, you do not get this
where the majority of people are not from around there! I think also
that there is also a feeling that a place really has to be good to
recommend it, which is nonsense. Just a decent place to wet a line and
then wet the whistle shouldn't be too hard to come by would it? I have
a hard time imagining being on a coast somewhere where there aren't
fish off the beach and rocks? I do wonder if it's worth the hassle but
think it would be cool to just head out, take a travel rod and some
flies but with very little expectations of, perhaps, not even jointing
it on the trip. Hard to get disappointed then, ya know?

I understand your concern. With respect, I think Mike's overly
pessimistic. When I said I'd caught my biggest ever grayling (two and a
half pounds) within an hour of london - everyone knows that there's no
such thing a stocked grayling. This was a wild fish, on unstocked
water, and that's all I want to fish for. You can join the Salisbury
and District Angling Association for about 200 dollars a year, and fish
the finest, rarest chalk streams in the country.

When I can, I fish in Ireland - but then I would. You might want to
consider this. Unlike England, where fly fishing is considered rather
upper class, in Ireland it is what the feckless bad boys do, and is
therefore more fun. There are bundles of wild rivers around the west
where fish are small, but fishing in wild places is enormous fun. I
have never paid a cent to fish for brown trout in ireland, and I don't
intend to. When the irish government, some years ago, tried to
introduce the need for a licence, the boatmen (that's guide's who row
fishing boats on the big western lakes - a highly skilled job)went on
strike, and the government backed down.

I have fished for many years in the west of England, on Exmoor (see
'Lorna Doone') and Dartmoor ('Hound of the Baskervilles'.) English
people become very, very much nicer about 150 miles from London, and
these are well beyond that point, and have great fishing. Small fish,
but great fun. There's also good fishing availabel around Shropshire
and the Welsh borders (P G Wodehouse - Blandings ), and in Yorkshire
and Cumbria.

If you want to communicate email me at
lazarus-at-warm-mail-dot-co-dot-uk, but think about heating the warm up
to hot.

Lazarus

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On 16 Sep, 19:06, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:


Indeed, you are correct, in almost everything you say. One can get
"relatively" cheap and good fishing if one joins a club, etc. But one
can not obtain such fishing as a foreign visitor, without considerable
difficulty, making many things simply not worthwhile for a day or two.

As for my pessimism. I am an executive member of SACN, and have been
since its inception. I receive all relevant reports on fish stocks,
and related information, from DEFRA and other bodies, as well as
internal reports and information form all other executive members with
and without portfolios. I read them all.

With regard to stocked Grayling, as far as I am aware no Grayling are
stocked in the UK, but this is quite common elsewhere. They are much
harder to breed artificially than trout for instance, but I ( in my
capacity as a fisheries officer) and others, have done so
successfully, and some of our waters have been stocked with the
results, after winters in which stocks were decimated by very hard
winters, and cormorant predation. This takes time, because although
possible, we do not normally rear any fish beyond the fry stage, as
this would require growing on with fishmeal, and would also cause
conditioning of the fish.

If it were of any use, I would ask my brother to invite Tim for a days
fishing on a very good Yorkshire chalk stream, and some other
possibilities, but this is likely to prove of little use, as Tim would
have to travel there, and various other plans would have to made.

If you can help him put personally, that would be a different matter.

TL
MC