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The Mayfly
Which also causes me to ponder on why you keep posting this crap, calling me a nutcase etc etc . Maybe you´re just too thin skinned Kennyboy? MC |
The Mayfly
On 12 Nov, 22:30, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Mike wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Mike wrote: Why should I do that? ... Why should you do what ? Post your private correspondence to roff ? My guess is that it's a pitiful and pathetic effort on your part to convince roff you have some sort of credibility elsewhere despite the fact you've been banned from European forums and are a laughingstock on roff. Or it could just be an honest posting mistake. LOL !! I don´t think Fortenberry would do it, it is just not his M.O. he thinks he owns ROFF, but I don´t think he even really cares much about fly-fishing, so he would not normally even go to other fly-fishing boards. Well, you're right about one thing. I've never sent you harassing email, I've never posted in any of the forums where you claim to be so well respected and I've never uttered a single word of official complaint to any of the numerous ISPs you've been forced to employ over the years. I do belong to the Wisconsin Fly Fishing Forum and I am an avid fly fisherman. What sticks in your craw, and the thing that drives you nuts is that I have friends on roff. A lot of friends. I can go fly fishing from sea to shining sea here in the states and in many international locales as well and meet up with a friend or two from roff. I've made enemies, sure. An outspoken asshole such as myself will always make enemies along the way but by and large I'm just as proud of the enemies I've ****ed off as the friendships I've made. As for you, you're just ****in' nuts. No one with a temperament like yours and a skin so thin has any business trying to be part of an electronic forum. That post was cancelled immediately Kennyboy, indeed, you should not have seen it. As for harassing e-mail, and a shower of complaints to an ISP I was not even using to post, ask your Oakie friend. I am not banned from any Forums except Sexyloops Kennyboy. I have had two ISP´s since I started using the internet( apart from G-mail which I am going to be using less as it is unreliable for me) and I still have both of them. Your friends are of no interest to me Kennyboy, and the only thing that "sticks in my craw" is the fact that you abused me personally as well as many others, and there is nothing I can do about it. As for the veracity of this post, I would suggest that readers consider your truthfulness in the past and use a grain or two of salt before trying to digest it. And as for being "abused personally", LOL !!. That is precisely what I'm talking about when I say you have to have a thicker skin to participate here. You cannot post hateful, ignorant, disgusting, homophobic tirades that read like they could have been copied verbatim out of _Mein Kampf_ to this fly fishing forum without being taken to task for it. As to why you chose to do so in the first place, that remains a mystery to me. Apparently you became incensed at the banal and by now common phrase, "not that there's anything wrong with that". Whatever "abuse" you received as a consequence, and I refuse to acknowledge it as "abuse", you most richly deserved. -- Ken Fortenberry You are lying again Kennyboy. I did not post any "hateful, ignorant, disgusting, homophobic tirades" I merely posted that I did not like homosexuals, and I explained why. At which point you commenced this campaign of lies propaganda and bull****, and you have continued it ever since. MC |
The Mayfly
On 12 Nov, 22:30, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Mike wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: Mike wrote: Why should I do that? ... Why should you do what ? Post your private correspondence to roff ? My guess is that it's a pitiful and pathetic effort on your part to convince roff you have some sort of credibility elsewhere despite the fact you've been banned from European forums and are a laughingstock on roff. Or it could just be an honest posting mistake. LOL !! I don´t think Fortenberry would do it, it is just not his M.O. he thinks he owns ROFF, but I don´t think he even really cares much about fly-fishing, so he would not normally even go to other fly-fishing boards. Well, you're right about one thing. I've never sent you harassing email, I've never posted in any of the forums where you claim to be so well respected and I've never uttered a single word of official complaint to any of the numerous ISPs you've been forced to employ over the years. I do belong to the Wisconsin Fly Fishing Forum and I am an avid fly fisherman. What sticks in your craw, and the thing that drives you nuts is that I have friends on roff. A lot of friends. I can go fly fishing from sea to shining sea here in the states and in many international locales as well and meet up with a friend or two from roff. I've made enemies, sure. An outspoken asshole such as myself will always make enemies along the way but by and large I'm just as proud of the enemies I've ****ed off as the friendships I've made. As for you, you're just ****in' nuts. No one with a temperament like yours and a skin so thin has any business trying to be part of an electronic forum. That post was cancelled immediately Kennyboy, indeed, you should not have seen it. As for harassing e-mail, and a shower of complaints to an ISP I was not even using to post, ask your Oakie friend. I am not banned from any Forums except Sexyloops Kennyboy. I have had two ISP´s since I started using the internet( apart from G-mail which I am going to be using less as it is unreliable for me) and I still have both of them. Your friends are of no interest to me Kennyboy, and the only thing that "sticks in my craw" is the fact that you abused me personally as well as many others, and there is nothing I can do about it. As for the veracity of this post, I would suggest that readers consider your truthfulness in the past and use a grain or two of salt before trying to digest it. And as for being "abused personally", LOL !!. That is precisely what I'm talking about when I say you have to have a thicker skin to participate here. You cannot post hateful, ignorant, disgusting, homophobic tirades that read like they could have been copied verbatim out of _Mein Kampf_ to this fly fishing forum without being taken to task for it. As to why you chose to do so in the first place, that remains a mystery to me. Apparently you became incensed at the banal and by now common phrase, "not that there's anything wrong with that". Whatever "abuse" you received as a consequence, and I refuse to acknowledge it as "abuse", you most richly deserved. -- Ken Fortenberry I have no idea how your twisted mind works Kennyboy, and I don´t want to. But if it were correct that "Whatever "abuse" you received as a consequence, and I refuse to acknowledge it as "abuse", you most richly deserved. " Then if I had actually abused you, ( instead of merely telling the truth, over and over again) then you would simply be receiving your just deserts for abusing me and others Kennyboy, so I really don´t see what you have to whine about. Your trouble is Kennyboy, you want to force your views on everybody, and you will use any means to try and accomplish that. Unfortunately for you Kennyboy, I will now use any means to thwart you. MC |
The Mayfly
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:18:17 -0800, Mike
wrote: Where are you going to go? I am going nowhere, fool. |
The Mayfly
On 12 Nov, 22:57, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:18:17 -0800, Mike wrote: Where are you going to go? I am going nowhere, fool. Yes, I had noticed that. MC |
The Mayfly
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:17:06 -0800, Mike
wrote: Why should I do that? It is a fact that some people from ROFF actually tried to attack me on a couple of boards, and giving a list of the boards to which I contribute would only encourage them to do the same again. It did them no good, and they were either banned or censured immediately, but it causes unpleasantness. I now use pseudonyms on most boards, and although the moderators know who I am, not many other people do. Since I have been doing this, there have been no more attacks. Which also proves that the people involved were purely interested in attacking me.They are not only stupid, they are incorrigible. I don´t think Fortenberry would do it, it is just not his M.O. he thinks he owns ROFF, but I don´t think he even really cares much about fly-fishing, so he would not normally even go to other fly-fishing boards. As far as I am aware he has never contributed to any, but I don ´t know that. Of the others, some apparently want others to believe that they know a lot about fly-fishing, but they can only maintain that illusion here, and so they would not really have any reason to visit other boards either, the only reason for doing so is to learn about or discuss fly- fishing, or related matters. Some of the bull**** posted here would immediately be torn to shreds by knowledgeable fly-anglers. The "depth of knowledge" on ROFF is really a myth some here like to propagate. There are one or two people who will be able to answer most questions, but people like LaCourse are just bull****ters. Their desire to do me some harm overrides any sense they might otherwise possess. This is largely a result of Fortenberry´s propaganda. The dumb Oakie even keeps spouting it, as does LaCourse. There are one or two sensible people on whom it has had no effect, Jeff Miller is one, and also one with the courage and backbone to speak out about it. There are other too, but they just don´t want to get involved in crap like this. I don´t have to prove anything at all on ROFF. Neither what I am, nor what I know. Nobody is forced to take my advice in preference to anybody else´s, and I really don´t care much what anybody on ROFF has to say about it. I am always willing to learn, and if somebody points out a mistake, or shows me a better method, then I simply accept it and move on. Indeed, I have learned some things from listening to Willi Lohman (Sp.? ), and others who have posted to ROFF in the past, but people like LaCourse and the Oakie are apparently mainly interested in blowing their own trumpets, and not in helping others. Most unlikely that one will ever learn anything from them, apart from the price of an expensive fishing resort, or the name of some nasty Japanese whisky. Anyway, it is entirely up to you what you post. I warn you now though, there is no way you can prove anything at all to these people, they will believe what they want, regardless of any facts you might present. Indeed, it is very definitely better not to give them any information at all, as they will merely misuse it. As to motivation, I really don´t know. Ego? Jealousy? The need for adulation? With Fortenberry it is mainly his need for control, which is typical psychopathic behaviour, some obviously even think that denigrating others makes them look good. Not a lot one can do about it. If you post to ROFF you are basically on your own, and if you make yourself noticed in any way you WILL be targeted by some nutcase. That ´s just how it is. Regards and tight lines! Mike Dragos Bora wrote: Hi there! Thank you for "Connor's Corner"! A lot of great information! I am a 37 years old beginner and I was forwarded to your site by Lucian Vasies, our wiser brother. :-) He maintains a web site, http://www.flytying.ro, and he's a very kind and gentle person, always ready to help anyone. Here http://picasaweb.google.com/dragos.bora/ProfVasies we were at the gathering he managed two months ago. Best wishes! Dragos Bora (Romania, Bacau) http://dragos.bora.googlepages.com/home Hi Dragos, glad to hear you are enjoying it. Best wishes, regards, and tight lines! Mike John Campbell wrote: Mike, I was just on one my frequent visits to your website and it´s gone! Can't you just ignore the stupid *******s, and not let them get you down? Your brilliant site is not for them anyway, it is for people like myself and others who appreciate the unique information you freely give, and your obviously great knowledge and experience. Pleas please put the site back up. As for them, just ignore them. Thanks. Cheers, John Campbell Hi John, difficult to ignore them, apart from the abuse on the newsgroup, they blocked my e-mail with a load of rubbish as well. I know I should have more sense than to take notice of such idiots, but I was a member of that group for a long time, and it really gets me that they would post such stuff! Anyway, after all this mail I am uploading the site again, check the site again in a couple of hours or so. Although of course I am aware of the number of daily hits, I did not expect to get that much mail as a result! Hopefully the site going back up will be answer enough, as it will take me ages to answer all these posts personally! There will be some more annotated PDF´s going up this week on wet flies mainly. Even though I have reinstated the site this time, you should copy anything you need from it, because it will be going down in four months anyway. It simply costs me too much to keep it up. Apart from the basic fees for the server space etc, I have to pay extra for the traffic beyond a certain point, and this has been well exceeded every month up to now and is increasing all the time. Regards and tight lines! Mike Bryan Gooch Redd wrote: Mike, I just did my one of my frequent visits to your website and ---- it was all gone! The internet can be a very odd place, if you let it. Can't you just ignore the *******s, and not let them get you down? Your fine stie wasn't for them----it was for people like me who appreciate your perspective and your knowledge and experience. For us, I hope you'll reinstate your site. For them, well, just ignore them. It really is that simple----ignore them. Thanks. Cheers, Bryan Hi Bryan, I got a lot of mail on this, indeed some of it almost word for word what you wrote! difficult to ignore them, apart from the abuse on the newsgroup, they blocked my e-mail with a load of rubbish as well. Anyway, check the site again in half an hour or so. Regards and tight lines! Mike ÿØÿà JFIF ` ` ÿá XExif II* ž ¾ Í Ø à ( 1 è 2 û i‡ 7 ¥Ä ( ) KONICA MINOLTA DIGITAL CAMERA KONICA MINOLTA DiMAGE Z10 H H DiMAGE Z10 Ver1.00 2004:01:01 00:00:00 PrintIM 0250 & š, ?, "ˆ 'ˆ È ? 0220 ? ? ) ' ' = ' E ' M ' U ' ' ' ' ] ' e |' ø m †' } e 0100 ÿÿ € ; £ £ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ â ¤ 5 ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ! ê ? 2004:01:01 00:00:00 2004:01:01 00:00:00 O d Y € MLY0ˆ =8 ‰ N,, f ø ú ÿ a1 ?Ñ œ ?Ò ;¤ a 0Æ ^ø E ä È &E &' J lA) @ d mV Û ¿ â å ¨ o pU R $ $ É q Á j ú D ˆˆ × F ] u ŒÐ × p Ð 5 ! û µŒ- i wwww " ! ! Û F ÄQ d ° E - ˆd _ : / ¨ o 0:6 p ™? Ù05 $€ à ¿ÿÿ . ¿ÿÿ ( € ... € « d 733a44874e7957ce5205b30f649fb5f2 R98 0100 w ( ‡ É H H ÿØÿà JFIF ÿÛ C ! "$" $ ÿÛ C ÿÀ ? " ÿÄ ÿÄ : !1AQ"aq2?'B¡±ÁRð#$3ÑábñrÿÄ ÿÄ + Hi Bryan, I got a lot of mail on this, indeed some of it almost word for word what you wrote! You are absolutely insane. If I ever need proof, this post will live on google for a long, long time. You really need help, Mike. |
The Mayfly
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:17:06 -0800, Mike
wrote: Why should I do that? It is a fact that some people from ROFF actually tried to attack me on a couple of boards, and giving a list of the boards to which I contribute would only encourage them to do the same again. It did them no good, and they were either banned or censured immediately, but it causes unpleasantness. I now use pseudonyms on most boards, and although the moderators know who I am, not many other people do. Since I have been doing this, there have been no more attacks. Which also proves that the people involved were purely interested in attacking me.They are not only stupid, they are incorrigible. I don´t think Fortenberry would do it, it is just not his M.O. he thinks he owns ROFF, but I don´t think he even really cares much about fly-fishing, so he would not normally even go to other fly-fishing boards. As far as I am aware he has never contributed to any, but I don ´t know that. Of the others, some apparently want others to believe that they know a lot about fly-fishing, but they can only maintain that illusion here, and so they would not really have any reason to visit other boards either, the only reason for doing so is to learn about or discuss fly- fishing, or related matters. Some of the bull**** posted here would immediately be torn to shreds by knowledgeable fly-anglers. The "depth of knowledge" on ROFF is really a myth some here like to propagate. There are one or two people who will be able to answer most questions, but people like LaCourse are just bull****ters. Their desire to do me some harm overrides any sense they might otherwise possess. This is largely a result of Fortenberry´s propaganda. The dumb Oakie even keeps spouting it, as does LaCourse. There are one or two sensible people on whom it has had no effect, Jeff Miller is one, and also one with the courage and backbone to speak out about it. There are other too, but they just don´t want to get involved in crap like this. I don´t have to prove anything at all on ROFF. Neither what I am, nor what I know. Nobody is forced to take my advice in preference to anybody else´s, and I really don´t care much what anybody on ROFF has to say about it. I am always willing to learn, and if somebody points out a mistake, or shows me a better method, then I simply accept it and move on. Indeed, I have learned some things from listening to Willi Lohman (Sp.? ), and others who have posted to ROFF in the past, but people like LaCourse and the Oakie are apparently mainly interested in blowing their own trumpets, and not in helping others. Most unlikely that one will ever learn anything from them, apart from the price of an expensive fishing resort, or the name of some nasty Japanese whisky. Anyway, it is entirely up to you what you post. I warn you now though, there is no way you can prove anything at all to these people, they will believe what they want, regardless of any facts you might present. Indeed, it is very definitely better not to give them any information at all, as they will merely misuse it. As to motivation, I really don´t know. Ego? Jealousy? The need for adulation? With Fortenberry it is mainly his need for control, which is typical psychopathic behaviour, some obviously even think that denigrating others makes them look good. Not a lot one can do about it. If you post to ROFF you are basically on your own, and if you make yourself noticed in any way you WILL be targeted by some nutcase. That ´s just how it is. Regards and tight lines! Mike Dragos Bora wrote: Hi there! Thank you for "Connor's Corner"! A lot of great information! I am a 37 years old beginner and I was forwarded to your site by Lucian Vasies, our wiser brother. :-) He maintains a web site, http://www.flytying.ro, and he's a very kind and gentle person, always ready to help anyone. Here http://picasaweb.google.com/dragos.bora/ProfVasies we were at the gathering he managed two months ago. Best wishes! Dragos Bora (Romania, Bacau) http://dragos.bora.googlepages.com/home Hi Dragos, glad to hear you are enjoying it. Best wishes, regards, and tight lines! Mike John Campbell wrote: Mike, I was just on one my frequent visits to your website and it´s gone! Can't you just ignore the stupid *******s, and not let them get you down? Your brilliant site is not for them anyway, it is for people like myself and others who appreciate the unique information you freely give, and your obviously great knowledge and experience. Pleas please put the site back up. As for them, just ignore them. Thanks. Cheers, John Campbell Hi John, difficult to ignore them, apart from the abuse on the newsgroup, they blocked my e-mail with a load of rubbish as well. I know I should have more sense than to take notice of such idiots, but I was a member of that group for a long time, and it really gets me that they would post such stuff! Anyway, after all this mail I am uploading the site again, check the site again in a couple of hours or so. Although of course I am aware of the number of daily hits, I did not expect to get that much mail as a result! Hopefully the site going back up will be answer enough, as it will take me ages to answer all these posts personally! There will be some more annotated PDF´s going up this week on wet flies mainly. Even though I have reinstated the site this time, you should copy anything you need from it, because it will be going down in four months anyway. It simply costs me too much to keep it up. Apart from the basic fees for the server space etc, I have to pay extra for the traffic beyond a certain point, and this has been well exceeded every month up to now and is increasing all the time. Regards and tight lines! Mike Bryan Gooch Redd wrote: Mike, I just did my one of my frequent visits to your website and ---- it was all gone! The internet can be a very odd place, if you let it. Can't you just ignore the *******s, and not let them get you down? Your fine stie wasn't for them----it was for people like me who appreciate your perspective and your knowledge and experience. For us, I hope you'll reinstate your site. For them, well, just ignore them. It really is that simple----ignore them. Thanks. Cheers, Bryan Hi Bryan, I got a lot of mail on this, indeed some of it almost word for word what you wrote! difficult to ignore them, apart from the abuse on the newsgroup, they blocked my e-mail with a load of rubbish as well. Anyway, check the site again in half an hour or so. Regards and tight lines! Mike ÿØÿà JFIF ` ` ÿá XExif II* ž ¾ Í Ø à ( 1 è 2 û i‡ 7 ¥Ä ( ) KONICA MINOLTA DIGITAL CAMERA KONICA MINOLTA DiMAGE Z10 H H DiMAGE Z10 Ver1.00 2004:01:01 00:00:00 PrintIM 0250 & š, ?, "ˆ 'ˆ È ? 0220 ? ? ) ' ' = ' E ' M ' U ' ' ' ' ] ' e |' ø m †' } e 0100 ÿÿ € ; £ £ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ â ¤ 5 ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ! ê ? 2004:01:01 00:00:00 2004:01:01 00:00:00 O d Y € MLY0ˆ =8 ‰ N,, f ø ú ÿ a1 ?Ñ œ ?Ò ;¤ a 0Æ ^ø E ä È &E &' J lA) @ d mV Û ¿ â å ¨ o pU R $ $ É q Á j ú D ˆˆ × F ] u ŒÐ × p Ð 5 ! û µŒ- i wwww " ! ! Û F ÄQ d ° E - ˆd _ : / ¨ o 0:6 p ™? Ù05 $€ à ¿ÿÿ . ¿ÿÿ ( € ... € « d 733a44874e7957ce5205b30f649fb5f2 R98 0100 w ( ‡ É H H ÿØÿà JFIF ÿÛ C ! "$" $ ÿÛ C ÿÀ ? " ÿÄ ÿÄ : !1AQ"aq2?'B¡±ÁRð#$3ÑábñrÿÄ ÿÄ + Hi Bryan, I got a lot of mail on this, indeed some of it almost word for word what you wrote! How come these "oops, I meant to email this..." posts are never grocery lists, mundane correspondence totally unrelated to fishing, roff, or its readers, or even racy lovenotes to your boyfriend? I mean, how come they _always_ seem to have, at least in a ****ed-up way, something to do with ROFF? Heck, one might wonder why the Mike-Tyson-meets-Bill Gates of Germany can't figure out how to use a computer... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, you're calling the Postmaster General, R |
The Mayfly
On 12 Nov, 23:01, Dave LaCourse wrote:
You are absolutely insane. If I ever need proof, this post will live on google for a long, long time. You really need help, Mike. It is becoming more and more obvious to everybody that you are the one who needs help. You are apparently quite obsessed with doing me some damage. There is no way you can damage me LaCourse, and in the meantime it is merely amusing watching you try. MC |
The Mayfly
On 12 Nov, 23:03, wrote:
How come these "oops, I meant to email this..." posts are never grocery lists, mundane correspondence totally unrelated to fishing, roff, or its readers, or even racy lovenotes to your boyfriend? I mean, how come they _always_ seem to have, at least in a ****ed-up way, something to do with ROFF? Heck, one might wonder why the Mike-Tyson-meets-Bill Gates of Germany can't figure out how to use a computer... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, you're calling the Postmaster General, R Well now Dickie boy, it´s all a secret plot to undermine the American sauce industry, basically to get you into a pickle. As long as you are trying to figure out the secret code ( which was attached), it gives you less time to poison the populace. As it happens, it seems G-mail has some problems with cut and pasting, at least in combination with the clipboard monitor I use, so I have now disabled it. I don´t really feel like answering any more of your questions today Dickie boy, try again tomorrow, I am too busy right now. MC |
The Mayfly
Mike typed:
On 12 Nov, 17:54, "Tim J." wrote: Absolute bull****, Dave. No one has to call anyone on anything - it's plain for all to see. I have no desire to be roff's "peace keeper", and I doubt Jeff is lobbying for that position, either. What I see is a bunch of adults acting like little spoiled children, and jumping in at that level would solve nothing. You kids go ahead and beat each other to a pulp - you seem to enjoy it at everyone else's expense. None of you have no desire for anyone to point out wrong and right, because you all already *know* you are right. See LaCourse, another eminently sensible example. Please, Mike, leave me out of your example category. The last thing I need is for you to point at me as sensible. Your claimed (over and over again) "defamed character" has been a contributing factor to much of the crap being flung back and forth. I'd advise you to just drop it, but, of course, you can't do that. Surely you must see (just like the rest of us are forced to do) that you are being prompted to react, and these people seem to relish the reaction regardless of content. I can't understand why you, or anyone else for that matter, want or need to give them that satisfaction. EOT for me. -- TL, Tim ------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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