Torture?
 

On Feb 23, 9:55*pm, "John B" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:56:27 -0800, "John B"
wrote:

**** all *you son of a bitches....you got in info? * telll me or you die!
torture is for ****s who cant pull the
trigger.....assholes....****s....pussy......sorr y *******s.....wake up
mother ****ers...

What's with the negative waves....?

TC,
R

I have no vague idea....there should be a breathalyzer attached to the enter
key!

I sit humbly....

John

As well you should. After all, it's perfectly obvious that there's no
good reason on god's green earth that one can't torture.....and THEN
pull the trigger.

giles
who knows that the trouble with torture is not that it's done for the
wrong reasons.......it's that the real reasons are never acknowledged.

Torture?
 

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:56:27 -0800, "John B"
wrote:

**** all you son of a bitches....you got in info? telll me or you die!
torture is for ****s who cant pull the
trigger.....assholes....****s....pussy......sorr y *******s.....wake up
mother ****ers...

What's with the negative waves....?

TC,
R

I have no vague idea....there should be a breathalyzer attached to the enter
key!

I sit humbly....

John

Torture?
 

On 2010-02-23 22:29:44 -0500, Giles said:

On Feb 22, 10:13*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 22:16:14 -0500, Giles said:





On Feb 22, 6:22*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 19:06:19 -0500, rw sai
d:

David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 18:34:02 -0500, rw s
ai
d:

David LaCourse wrote:

I know who is for it and who is against it. *I am neither endors
in
g nor
condemning it. *The question is absurd, of course, but if you ne
ed
ed
information RIGHT NOW to save a loved one, would you use it? *Yo
u
threatened to kick Fortenberry's ass when the jerk called your wif
e
and
child some nasty names. *That is a physical act leaving someone
wi
th
pain, and very possibly blood or even death. *You would physical
ly
*harm
someone over an insult but would not waterboard them to save a lov
ed
one's life? *That is not logical, Steve.

Actions that are appropriate for an extremely ****ed off person and
a
n
institutional justice/military/intelligence system are two entirely
different things.

NOT if it saves lives, Steve. *Not if it saves lives. *If you ar
e
for
physical violence, then waterboarding is a walk in the park.

OK, let's suppose that you were put in the situation that the only wa
y
you could save your wife and child's lives were to insert red-hot
needles into their abductor's eyeballs. First the left, and then, if
he
didn't talk, the right. Would you do it? I would.

Why? *I wouldn't need to. *Waterboarding works! *Physical tortur
e m
ay
or may not work.

Now, assuming you would, would you then assert that inserting red-hot
needles into eyeballs is a justified method of interrogating enemy
combatants?

No. *THAT is torture. *Waterboarding is painless.

Have you ever read the rat scene in Orwell's novel 1984? Is that tort
ur
e?

You are going way back in my grey matter. *Yes, I believe it was, bu
t I
do not think it is the same as waterboarding because there is just the
threat, not the action. *(Or, did he put the cage over the guy's hea
d.
*
Can't remember.) *The action would kill. *Waterboarding (both the
threat AND the action) does not kill. *Doesn't even cause pain.

Actually, those subjected to waterboarding actually LIKE it. *That's
why they talk......they hope you'll ask them more questions.
No.....it's true!

Imbecile.

g.

Thank you, Giles. *I didn't know that.

David

Moron.

g.

Thank you, Giles. Be happy now.

Dave

Torture?
 

On 2010-02-23 22:30:22 -0500, Giles said:

On Feb 22, 10:14*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 22:16:45 -0500, Giles said:





On Feb 22, 5:43 pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 18:34:02 -0500, rw sai
d:

David LaCourse wrote:

I know who is for it and who is against it. I am neither endorsing
nor
condemning it. The question is absurd, of course, but if you needed
information RIGHT NOW to save a loved one, would you use it? You
threatened to kick Fortenberry's ass when the jerk called your wife
an
d
child some nasty names. That is a physical act leaving someone with
pain, and very possibly blood or even death. You would physically h
arm
someone over an insult but would not waterboard them to save a loved
one's life? That is not logical, Steve.

Actions that are appropriate for an extremely ****ed off person and a
n
institutional justice/military/intelligence system are two entirely
different things.

NOT if it saves lives, Steve. Not if it saves lives. If you are for
physical violence, then waterboarding is a walk in the park.

It's amazing, isn't it, how such a benign (if not to say outright
pleasant) experience can make people say whatever you want them to?

Almost makes a boy wonder which end of the board the idiots are at.

Imbecile.

g.

Thank you.

David

Imbecile.

g.

Yeah, thank you anyway.

Dave

Torture?
 

On 2010-02-23 22:30:55 -0500, Giles said:

On Feb 22, 10:16*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 22:08:12 -0500, Giles said:





On Feb 22, 5:26*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 17:52:17 -0500, rw sai
d:

David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 16:59:33 -0500, rw s
ai
d:

After WWII the US convicted Japanese soldiers of war crimes and
sentenced them to very harsh penalties for waterboarding. It's tort
ur
e.

Perhaps. *But would YOU use it if someone kidnapped your child and
wouldn't tell you where she was? *Would you use it to save one of
yours? *There's no pain. *No lasting physical impairment. *No
bl
ood. *
Our own soldiers experienced it to help them survive interregation.
*
Would you beat, hit, bite the man that knew where your child was bei
ng
kept? *Simple question, Steve. *Would you sacrifice your child o
r
would
you waterboard the perp? *Remember -- no pain, no blood, no loss o
f
limbs, teeth, ears, or eyes. *Just a simple procedure that lasts l
es
s
that 15 seconds. *Would you?

I sure as hell would. *I'd use it to save YOU, never mind my own
children or loved ones. *Hell, I'd use it to save any human being,
a
nd
Wolfgang.

Dave

That's an absurd argument. You could use it to justify ANYTHING, not
just waterboarding.

By the way, General Petaeus, Colin Powell, and John McCain agree with
me that waterboarding is torture and violates American values.

I know who is for it and who is against it. *I am neither endorsing
nor
condemning it. *The question is absurd, of course, but if you needed
information RIGHT NOW to save a loved one, would you use it? *You
threatened to kick Fortenberry's ass when the jerk called your wife an
d
child some nasty names. *That is a physical act leaving someone with
pain, and very possibly blood or even death. *You would physically h
arm
someone over an insult but would not waterboard them to save a loved
one's life? *That is not logical, Steve.

Quite true. *The mayhem that ensued from that exchange will live long
in the memories of those who witnessed it.

g.
those of us who missed it, on the other hand.......

Thank you.

David

Pig.

g.

Oinksueeenk - pig for Thank You.

Dave

Torture?
 

On 2010-02-23 22:32:35 -0500, Giles said:

On Feb 22, 7:22*pm, David LaCourse wrote:


Sources for what argument. *Read again, silly little boy, I am neither
condemning nor endorsing waterboarding.

You're a liar.

It was a civil conversation
that Steve and I and then Richard were having until you stuck your
silly looking face into something that obviously you don't understand.

You're an idiot.

And a pig.

g.

Thank you, Mr. Giles.

Dave

Torture?
 

On 2010-02-23 22:34:05 -0500, Giles said:

On Feb 22, 10:26*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 22:04:32 -0500, Giles said:





On Feb 22, 4:45*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 16:59:33 -0500, rw sai
d:

After WWII the US convicted Japanese soldiers of war crimes and
sentenced them to very harsh penalties for waterboarding. It's tortur
e.

Perhaps. *But would YOU use it if someone kidnapped your child and
wouldn't tell you where she was? *Would you use it to save one of
yours? *There's no pain. *No lasting physical impairment. *No bl
ood
. *
Our own soldiers experienced it to help them survive interregation.
*
Would you beat, hit, bite the man that knew where your child was being
kept? *Simple question, Steve. *Would you sacrifice your child or
wou
ld
you waterboard the perp? *Remember -- no pain, no blood, no loss of
limbs, teeth, ears, or eyes. *Just a simple procedure that lasts les
s
that 15 seconds. *Would you?

I sure as hell would. *I'd use it to save YOU, never mind my own
children or loved ones. *Hell, I'd use it to save any human being, a
nd
Wolfgang.

Moron.

Pig.

g.

Thank you. *You're so cute when you're angry and upset. *It becomes y
ou.

Really!

David

Idiot.

g.

I know. But I am happy. Thank you, G.

Dave

Torture?
 

On Feb 23, 9:57*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-23 22:29:44 -0500, Giles said:





On Feb 22, 10:13*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 22:16:14 -0500, Giles said:

On Feb 22, 6:22*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 19:06:19 -0500, rw sai
d:

David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 18:34:02 -0500, rw s
ai
d:

David LaCourse wrote:

I know who is for it and who is against it. *I am neither endors
in
g nor
condemning it. *The question is absurd, of course, but if you ne
ed
ed
information RIGHT NOW to save a loved one, would you use it? *Yo
u
threatened to kick Fortenberry's ass when the jerk called your wif
e
and
child some nasty names. *That is a physical act leaving someone
wi
th
pain, and very possibly blood or even death. *You would physical
ly
*harm
someone over an insult but would not waterboard them to save a lov
ed
one's life? *That is not logical, Steve.

Actions that are appropriate for an extremely ****ed off person and
*a
n
institutional justice/military/intelligence system are two entirely
different things.

NOT if it saves lives, Steve. *Not if it saves lives. *If you ar
e
for
physical violence, then waterboarding is a walk in the park.

OK, let's suppose that you were put in the situation that the only wa
y
you could save your wife and child's lives were to insert red-hot
needles into their abductor's eyeballs. First the left, and then, if
he
didn't talk, the right. Would you do it? I would.

Why? *I wouldn't need to. *Waterboarding works! *Physical tortur
e m
ay
or may not work.

Now, assuming you would, would you then assert that inserting red-hot
needles into eyeballs is a justified method of interrogating enemy
combatants?

No. *THAT is torture. *Waterboarding is painless.

Have you ever read the rat scene in Orwell's novel 1984? Is that tort
ur
e?

You are going way back in my grey matter. *Yes, I believe it was, bu
t I
do not think it is the same as waterboarding because there is just the
threat, not the action. *(Or, did he put the cage over the guy's hea
d.
*
Can't remember.) *The action would kill. *Waterboarding (both the
threat AND the action) does not kill. *Doesn't even cause pain.

Actually, those subjected to waterboarding actually LIKE it. *That's
why they talk......they hope you'll ask them more questions.
No.....it's true!

Imbecile.

g.

Thank you, Giles. *I didn't know that.

David

Moron.

g.

Thank you, Giles. *Be happy now.

Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Idiot.

g.

Torture?
 

On Feb 23, 9:58*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-23 22:30:22 -0500, Giles said:





On Feb 22, 10:14*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 22:16:45 -0500, Giles said:

On Feb 22, 5:43 pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 18:34:02 -0500, rw sai
d:

David LaCourse wrote:

I know who is for it and who is against it. I am neither endorsing
nor
condemning it. The question is absurd, of course, but if you needed
information RIGHT NOW to save a loved one, would you use it? You
threatened to kick Fortenberry's ass when the jerk called your wife
an
d
child some nasty names. That is a physical act leaving someone with
pain, and very possibly blood or even death. You would physically h
arm
someone over an insult but would not waterboard them to save a loved
one's life? That is not logical, Steve.

Actions that are appropriate for an extremely ****ed off person and a
n
institutional justice/military/intelligence system are two entirely
different things.

NOT if it saves lives, Steve. Not if it saves lives. If you are for
physical violence, then waterboarding is a walk in the park.

It's amazing, isn't it, how such a benign (if not to say outright
pleasant) experience can make people say whatever you want them to?

Almost makes a boy wonder which end of the board the idiots are at.

Imbecile.

g.

Thank you.

David

Imbecile.

g.

Yeah, thank you anyway.

Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Moron.

g.

Torture?
 

On Feb 23, 9:59*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-23 22:30:55 -0500, Giles said:





On Feb 22, 10:16*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 22:08:12 -0500, Giles said:

On Feb 22, 5:26*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 17:52:17 -0500, rw sai
d:

David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-02-22 16:59:33 -0500, rw s
ai
d:

After WWII the US convicted Japanese soldiers of war crimes and
sentenced them to very harsh penalties for waterboarding. It's tort
ur
e.

Perhaps. *But would YOU use it if someone kidnapped your child and
wouldn't tell you where she was? *Would you use it to save one of
yours? *There's no pain. *No lasting physical impairment. *No
bl
ood. *
Our own soldiers experienced it to help them survive interregation..
*
Would you beat, hit, bite the man that knew where your child was bei
ng
kept? *Simple question, Steve. *Would you sacrifice your child o
r
would
you waterboard the perp? *Remember -- no pain, no blood, no loss o
f
limbs, teeth, ears, or eyes. *Just a simple procedure that lasts l
es
s
that 15 seconds. *Would you?

I sure as hell would. *I'd use it to save YOU, never mind my own
children or loved ones. *Hell, I'd use it to save any human being,
*a
nd
Wolfgang.

Dave

That's an absurd argument. You could use it to justify ANYTHING, not
just waterboarding.

By the way, General Petaeus, Colin Powell, and John McCain agree with
me that waterboarding is torture and violates American values.

I know who is for it and who is against it. *I am neither endorsing
nor
condemning it. *The question is absurd, of course, but if you needed
information RIGHT NOW to save a loved one, would you use it? *You
threatened to kick Fortenberry's ass when the jerk called your wife an
d
child some nasty names. *That is a physical act leaving someone with
pain, and very possibly blood or even death. *You would physically h
arm
someone over an insult but would not waterboard them to save a loved
one's life? *That is not logical, Steve.

Quite true. *The mayhem that ensued from that exchange will live long
in the memories of those who witnessed it.

g.
those of us who missed it, on the other hand.......

Thank you.

David

Pig.

g.

Oinksueeenk - pig for Thank You.

Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Imbecile.

g.