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Bob Weinberger wrote:

as far
as I can tell, the fish don't care what our politics or philosophies are.

Interesting observation! Personally, I think that fish are very good
judges of character and that's the major reason why some fishermen are
more successful than others. Techniques and tactics are just a ruse put
forward by successful anglers to cover this up. How else do you explain
all the pictures of the young kids catching the big fish using a cane
pole and a safety pin for a hook?

Willi

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"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
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Wolfgang,
While I obviously don't always do the best job of making my points clear,
I
find it hard to believe that someone, such as yourself who places great
emphasis on reading comprehension, would infer that my above statement in
any way implied that all opposing points are of equal intellectual,
political, or moral value. In case my assesment of your understanding of
what I meant to say is wrong, and you didn't use the statement simply as
an
opening to make a separate point of your own, here is an amplification of
my
statement in an attempt to make my point clearer:

For what it's worth, I did not make the above supposed inference.

Trying to protect all of our rights by making a point of patronizing an
establishment who's owner supports an unpopular cause, is the flip side of
withholding patronage from that establishment because you disagree with a
cause that he/she supports, or of patronizing that establishment solely
because you agree with the owner's politics ( OK, so its a 3 sided coin ).
These approaches involve using tactics that impact the owner's livelihood
solely for reasons that may or may not have anything to do with the
business
itself.

While some causes are so repugnant to me that I will avoid doing business
with those who actively push those agendas, in my view at least, that is a
far cry from basing my purchasing decisions solely on whether or not the
business owner gave a few thousand dollars to a political party or
candidate
other than the one I may support.

It should come as no surprise that many members of either of the major
political parties in this country find the other every bit as repugnant as
you or I do whatever our own choices may be. We see demonstrations of this
nearly every day here in ROFF. It doesn't stretch credulity to suppose that
some of them find the other even more vile than many organizations whose
very existence we find unjustifiable. So it goes.

At a glance, making a decision potentially affecting the livelihood of an
otherwise honest merchant solely on the basis of his or her contributions to
one or another political party seems a bit harsh, perhaps. Philosophically,
legally, morally, or practically, how is this any different from making a
decision potentially affecting the livelihood of an otherwise honest
incumbent political electee solely on the basis of his or her politics? I
assume, of course, that you DO vote. However, if not, withholding the one
vote that could have kept someone in office is identical in effect to
actively voting him or her out.

And while others' MMV, I am somewhat
uneasy that such information is readily available.

As Stan pointed out, such information was already readily available to those
with a great deal more power to influence others than either of us will ever
enjoy. An effort to level the playing filed (however marginally.....and
however doomed a sop it may be) doesn't seem such a very bad idea to me.

For that matter, I have yet to find a candidate at the national level of
either party that I could enthusiastically support, or find enough real
difference between them that I could honestly say that I believed that one
was a measurably bigger threat to the country than the other.

Agreed.....well, at least until one or another clearly demonstrates a lack
of fitness, which could, of course, happen at any time but never fails to
happen by the time he or she becomes an incumbent bent on reelection.

Don't give any
of them money, it only encourages the *******s.

Agreed....but it only makes sense to extend that argument to the *******s
who put them in office.

Enough of this BS. Fishing conditions are starting to get prime, and as
far
as I can tell, the fish don't care what our politics or philosophies are.

Hm......generally, greater wealth is concommitent with an increase in
leisure time, a combination allowing to a greater extent the active pursuit
of hobbies like annoying fish. Perhaps they SHOULD take more interest.
:)

BTW, I'll be in the Twin Cities for a week or so sometime in July. Is a
Clave in the driftless zone of SE MN or SW WI for that apporoximate time
still being considered?

The only scheduled event I recall is one that George Cleveland mentioned,
and that is being organized by the members of the Wisconsin Fly Fishing
Message Board. I don't remember the particulars, but I believe it will take
place earlier. George will probably be along shortly to set the record
straight. If not, a Goggle search will lead you to the message board. You
have to register as a member to access the message board, but it's free.

I don't know that area very well, but I'm willing to explore. If your
schedule doesn't match up with anything suitable let me know. I'd be
delighted to meet and fish with you.

Wolfgang

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"B J Conner" wrote in message
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...if I was too stupid to spend my own money I should get
someone smarter that myself to hellp me...

Hm.....Messers. Kool-aid and Flush, perhaps?

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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snip
Philosophically,
legally, morally, or practically, how is this any different from making a
decision potentially affecting the livelihood of an otherwise honest
incumbent political electee solely on the basis of his or her politics?

Many would say that the term "honest incumbent political electee" is an
oxymoron :).

snip
The only scheduled event I recall is one that George Cleveland mentioned,
and that is being organized by the members of the Wisconsin Fly Fishing
Message Board. I don't remember the particulars, but I believe it will
take
place earlier. George will probably be along shortly to set the record
straight. If not, a Goggle search will lead you to the message board.
You
have to register as a member to access the message board, but it's free.

I don't know that area very well, but I'm willing to explore. If your
schedule doesn't match up with anything suitable let me know. I'd be
delighted to meet and fish with you.

Wolfgang

I seem to remember something about a possible Clave at Whitewater State park
in SE MN that somebody (Cyli?) was going to host at about that time frame.
I'll check Google, and if I can't find anything, I'll be sure to let you
know the dates I'll be in that part of the world - as soon as they are firm.
I would likewise be delighted to meet and fish with you.


--
Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

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"Bob Weinberger" wrote in message
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I seem to remember something about a possible Clave at Whitewater State
park
in SE MN that somebody (Cyli?) was going to host at about that time frame.

O.k., yeah, that does sound kind of familiar.

HEY NANCY!

I'll check Google, and if I can't find anything, I'll be sure to let you
know the dates I'll be in that part of the world - as soon as they are
firm.
I would likewise be delighted to meet and fish with you.

Cool.

Um......but don't be getting your hopes up real high......you're not likely
to get much in the way of hot topic discussion. :)

Wolfgang
who, though the spirit is willing, can barely keep up with roff.

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Bob Weinberger" wrote:

I seem to remember something about a possible Clave at Whitewater State park
in SE MN that somebody (Cyli?) was going to host at about that time frame.

O.k., yeah, that does sound kind of familiar. ...

I remember that. Let me know when all y'all settle on the dates.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:
"Bob Weinberger" wrote:

I seem to remember something about a possible Clave at Whitewater State
park
in SE MN that somebody (Cyli?) was going to host at about that time
frame.

O.k., yeah, that does sound kind of familiar. ...

I remember that. Let me know when all y'all settle on the dates.

Well, unless we hear from Cyli, I'd suggest some time in July.......ask Bob.
:)

Wolfgang

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:58:42 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Bob Weinberger" wrote:

I seem to remember something about a possible Clave at Whitewater State
park
in SE MN that somebody (Cyli?) was going to host at about that time
frame.

O.k., yeah, that does sound kind of familiar. ...

I remember that. Let me know when all y'all settle on the dates.

Well, unless we hear from Cyli, I'd suggest some time in July.......ask Bob.
:)

Wolfgang



Okay. July sounds fine to me. Everyone yell out exact dates now?

I had originally thought of having it during the Penn's Clave as sort
of a consolation for those of us who couldn't or wouldn't attend
Penn's. That was foolish of me. Maybe even silly. So I thought I'd
wait to mention it again after Penn's.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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wrote in message
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Okay. July sounds fine to me. Everyone yell out exact dates now?

I'm flexible. Ask Bob.

I had originally thought of having it during the Penn's Clave as sort
of a consolation for those of us who couldn't or wouldn't attend
Penn's. That was foolish of me. Maybe even silly. So I thought I'd
wait to mention it again after Penn's.

Doing it during Penn's as a consolation would indeed by silly. Doing it as
an act of defiance or a gesture of contempt, on the other hand, has
possibilities.....sort of a poison penn thingy. Unfortunately, I won't be
able to attend, as I will be busy that week........um.......well, I'll be at
Penn's. :(

Maybe next year? :)

Wolfgang
down with the pointy headed effete eastern ivory tower shoeless gap-toothed
rebel yokel (um.....ya'll got any cowboys out there?) scum!

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:18:44 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

*snippiado*

Wolfgang
down with the pointy headed effete eastern ivory tower shoeless gap-toothed
rebel yokel (um.....ya'll got any cowboys out there?) scum!

Hey, I resemble 75% of those insults!


g.c.

Poison penn, very funny.