I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

Wayne Harrison wrote:

this place becomes more boring every day, for me.

That's the mot juste, counselor..... I recall the vitriol being far more
entertaining in days gone by.... maybe the boys just need to work up some
new material.

JR

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

Wayne Harrison wrote:

this place becomes more boring every day, for me.

That's the mot juste, counselor..... I recall the vitriol being far more
entertaining in days gone by.... maybe the boys just need to work up some
new material.

JR

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

wayno wrote: i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is
becoming
overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an invitation to
relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since 40 and wolfgang have
sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of time, a sort of gloom has
settled over the place, for me.

this place becomes more boring every day, for me.

yfitons
wayno
I cound not agree more. I used to enjoy this newsgroup, but have not been able
to for quite a while now. It is just not worth it anymore.

Big Dale

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

wayno wrote: i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is
becoming
overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an invitation to
relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since 40 and wolfgang have
sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of time, a sort of gloom has
settled over the place, for me.

this place becomes more boring every day, for me.

yfitons
wayno
I cound not agree more. I used to enjoy this newsgroup, but have not been able
to for quite a while now. It is just not worth it anymore.

Big Dale

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Mike Connor" wrote...
snip
The insults, and the flames, and all the other similar stuff here is
bad enough, but what eventually simply wears one out, even just
reading the stuff, is that it is mostly silly and boring, and has
virtually nothing to do with fishing, or with gentlemen either.

Most unfortunate, and extremely depressing to boot.

i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is
becoming overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an
invitation to relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since
40 and wolfgang have sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of
time, a sort of gloom has settled over the place, for me.

this place becomes more boring every day, for me.

Are you saying this place would be less boring without Ken and Wolfgang posting?
Less controversial, maybe. Less confrontational, possibly. Less boring? I don't
think so.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Mike Connor" wrote...
snip
The insults, and the flames, and all the other similar stuff here is
bad enough, but what eventually simply wears one out, even just
reading the stuff, is that it is mostly silly and boring, and has
virtually nothing to do with fishing, or with gentlemen either.

Most unfortunate, and extremely depressing to boot.

i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is
becoming overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an
invitation to relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since
40 and wolfgang have sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of
time, a sort of gloom has settled over the place, for me.

this place becomes more boring every day, for me.

Are you saying this place would be less boring without Ken and Wolfgang posting?
Less controversial, maybe. Less confrontational, possibly. Less boring? I don't
think so.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tim J. wrote:

Not to be contrary,

You should ditch the bald-faced lies and learn to start your posts
with some plausible weasel words.

Nah - I'll leave that sort of entertainment to you.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tim J. wrote:

Not to be contrary,

You should ditch the bald-faced lies and learn to start your posts
with some plausible weasel words.

Nah - I'll leave that sort of entertainment to you.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is
becoming
overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an invitation to
relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since 40 and wolfgang
have
sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of time, a sort of gloom
has
settled over the place, for me.

this place becomes more boring every day, for me.

yfitons
wayno

You can make it stop.......well, half of it. Just say the word.

Wolfgang


I think that is precisely the *wrong* strategy, eh?

--riverman

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is
becoming
overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an invitation to
relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since 40 and wolfgang
have
sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of time, a sort of gloom
has
settled over the place, for me.

this place becomes more boring every day, for me.

yfitons
wayno

You can make it stop.......well, half of it. Just say the word.

Wolfgang


I think that is precisely the *wrong* strategy, eh?

--riverman

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
om...

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...
I don´t know anything at all about hatches in the Rockies, more´s the
pity,
but I do know that this group deteriorates more with every passing insult
and bitterness that is published here. Any "outsider", and most
"insiders"
reading this stuff would have to be crazy to want to have any part of it.

The only thing that really puzzles me, is, what is the point of it all?
Is
there any point at all?

Once upon a time, I laboured under the quite obviously massive
misapprehension that anglers were gentlemen. This group has certainly
taught me the error of my ways.

The insults, and the flames, and all the other similar stuff here is bad
enough, but what eventually simply wears one out, even just reading the
stuff, is that it is mostly silly and boring, and has virtually nothing
to
do with fishing, or with gentlemen either.

Most unfortunate, and extremely depressing to boot.

MC

i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is becoming
overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an invitation to
relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since 40 and wolfgang
have
sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of time, a sort of gloom has
settled over the place, for me.

I agree wholeheartedly. The intellectual tugs-of-war and goodhearted jabs
that used to happen here were a real source of admiration and humor, and I
used to have a lot of respect for different people's wit and cleverness. But
now, instead of looking forward to some people's responses, I just brace for
the inevitable implosion. Roff is rapidly losing a lot of its fun, and its
tiresome to see thread after thread become some sort of dare of how
vitriolic and assaultive someone can get, dragging out old laundry, dragging
out 'facts' and reliving old history. Its like arguing with on old
girlfriend!

Hell, even with all the unfettered condescention, people treated George
better than most folks are treating each other here these days! "Village
Idiot" pales in comparison to "stupid, lying, sanctimonious little prick",
among other things tossed around.

--riverman

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
om...

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...
I don´t know anything at all about hatches in the Rockies, more´s the
pity,
but I do know that this group deteriorates more with every passing insult
and bitterness that is published here. Any "outsider", and most
"insiders"
reading this stuff would have to be crazy to want to have any part of it.

The only thing that really puzzles me, is, what is the point of it all?
Is
there any point at all?

Once upon a time, I laboured under the quite obviously massive
misapprehension that anglers were gentlemen. This group has certainly
taught me the error of my ways.

The insults, and the flames, and all the other similar stuff here is bad
enough, but what eventually simply wears one out, even just reading the
stuff, is that it is mostly silly and boring, and has virtually nothing
to
do with fishing, or with gentlemen either.

Most unfortunate, and extremely depressing to boot.

MC

i agree. it's more difficult, day by day. the bitterness is becoming
overwhelming. the disputes, long ago, seemed to be an invitation to
relatively respectful intellectual contests. but since 40 and wolfgang
have
sworn to bilious confrontations until the end of time, a sort of gloom has
settled over the place, for me.

I agree wholeheartedly. The intellectual tugs-of-war and goodhearted jabs
that used to happen here were a real source of admiration and humor, and I
used to have a lot of respect for different people's wit and cleverness. But
now, instead of looking forward to some people's responses, I just brace for
the inevitable implosion. Roff is rapidly losing a lot of its fun, and its
tiresome to see thread after thread become some sort of dare of how
vitriolic and assaultive someone can get, dragging out old laundry, dragging
out 'facts' and reliving old history. Its like arguing with on old
girlfriend!

Hell, even with all the unfettered condescention, people treated George
better than most folks are treating each other here these days! "Village
Idiot" pales in comparison to "stupid, lying, sanctimonious little prick",
among other things tossed around.

--riverman

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

riverman wrote:

I agree wholeheartedly. snip

You've got a lotta cheek jumping on Wayno's whine wagon fresh off
a ten rounder with Wolfie.

One word for the whiners, killfiles.

--
Ken Fortenberry

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

riverman wrote:

I agree wholeheartedly. snip

You've got a lotta cheek jumping on Wayno's whine wagon fresh off
a ten rounder with Wolfie.

One word for the whiners, killfiles.

--
Ken Fortenberry

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
riverman wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly. snip

You've got a lotta cheek jumping on Wayno's whine wagon fresh off
a ten rounder with Wolfie.

That wasn't a 10-rounder; I was telling him that he plays tiresome games
with people, and he was playing those same tiresome games with my posts. I
quit when Tim pointed out that you can't get that point across to him. I
don't do hate-fests.


One word for the whiners, killfiles.

I know I could killfile folks, Ken, but I really would rather not! You and I
have never had any beef, and despite the vitriol that is slinging about, I
still want to read your posts, find out more about who you are, and fish
with you if the opportunity arises. It just brings me down when they are
hate posts, and there are a lot more of them these days, it seems. And just
killing that thread doesn't help either, because the effects radiate out to
all the other threads. When I meet you and fish with you someday, I want
more than a vague sense that you are the guy who slings such anger all the
time as my basis of potential friendship.

And (this part is important): not liking the vibe around here is my point of
view. I'm not 'jumping on Wayno's whine wagon'; which is tantamount to
choosing sides in some sort of Hatfield/McCoy feud. I'm telling it like it
is. The vibe around here has gone pretty sour, and you're one of the major
contributors. I just cannot figure out why.

--riverman

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
riverman wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly. snip

You've got a lotta cheek jumping on Wayno's whine wagon fresh off
a ten rounder with Wolfie.

That wasn't a 10-rounder; I was telling him that he plays tiresome games
with people, and he was playing those same tiresome games with my posts. I
quit when Tim pointed out that you can't get that point across to him. I
don't do hate-fests.


One word for the whiners, killfiles.

I know I could killfile folks, Ken, but I really would rather not! You and I
have never had any beef, and despite the vitriol that is slinging about, I
still want to read your posts, find out more about who you are, and fish
with you if the opportunity arises. It just brings me down when they are
hate posts, and there are a lot more of them these days, it seems. And just
killing that thread doesn't help either, because the effects radiate out to
all the other threads. When I meet you and fish with you someday, I want
more than a vague sense that you are the guy who slings such anger all the
time as my basis of potential friendship.

And (this part is important): not liking the vibe around here is my point of
view. I'm not 'jumping on Wayno's whine wagon'; which is tantamount to
choosing sides in some sort of Hatfield/McCoy feud. I'm telling it like it
is. The vibe around here has gone pretty sour, and you're one of the major
contributors. I just cannot figure out why.

--riverman

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"Cyli" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:02:22 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:

(snipped)

"Still bitter about the only 'Clave in roff history noted for its
lack of camaraderie and good fishing"

Near as I recall, only one person (not you) ever had a problem with a
western Clave lacking camaraderie. It certainly wasn't Danl.

If incorrect, please correct me. URLs are not necessary. I'll take
your word for it.



Well, if you consider Western Sweden to count, I'm pretty sure there was no
camaraderie between Jarmo and the mosquitoes.

--riverman

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"Cyli" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:02:22 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:

(snipped)

"Still bitter about the only 'Clave in roff history noted for its
lack of camaraderie and good fishing"

Near as I recall, only one person (not you) ever had a problem with a
western Clave lacking camaraderie. It certainly wasn't Danl.

If incorrect, please correct me. URLs are not necessary. I'll take
your word for it.



Well, if you consider Western Sweden to count, I'm pretty sure there was no
camaraderie between Jarmo and the mosquitoes.

--riverman

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

riverman wrote

(snip)

what you said speaks for me, as well.

yfitons
wayno

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

riverman wrote

(snip)

what you said speaks for me, as well.

yfitons
wayno

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...

I'm picking up the "stupid, lying, sanctimonious little prick" in Lewiston
on Wednesday, Oct. 6 in Lewiston, ID, and we're meeting up with Warren,
Chas, and (I hope) John Hightower for steelhead on the Clearwater. I
cannot imagine a more amiable crew of fishing companions. Let's hope the
fish cooperate.

If anyone else on ROFF is interested, we'll be at the Myrtle campground,
between Lewiston and Orifino, through the weekend.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Can you shoot me info on the campground at Myrtle campground. Is it a
National Forest CG or private?

bug caster at com cast dot net

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

bugcaster wrote...

"rw" wrote in message
m...

I'm picking up the "stupid, lying, sanctimonious little prick" in Lewiston
on Wednesday, Oct. 6 in Lewiston, ID, and we're meeting up with Warren,
Chas, and (I hope) John Hightower for steelhead on the Clearwater. I
cannot imagine a more amiable crew of fishing companions. Let's hope the
fish cooperate.

If anyone else on ROFF is interested, we'll be at the Myrtle campground,
between Lewiston and Orifino, through the weekend.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Can you shoot me info on the campground at Myrtle campground. Is it a
National Forest CG or private?

Randy, just get your ass over there.
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt(nospam) and earthlink dot net to reply via email)

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

"Warren" wrote in message
...
bugcaster wrote...

"rw" wrote in message
m...

I'm picking up the "stupid, lying, sanctimonious little prick" in
Lewiston
on Wednesday, Oct. 6 in Lewiston, ID, and we're meeting up with Warren,
Chas, and (I hope) John Hightower for steelhead on the Clearwater. I
cannot imagine a more amiable crew of fishing companions. Let's hope
the
fish cooperate.

If anyone else on ROFF is interested, we'll be at the Myrtle
campground,
between Lewiston and Orifino, through the weekend.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Can you shoot me info on the campground at Myrtle campground. Is it a
National Forest CG or private?

Randy, just get your ass over there.
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt(nospam) and earthlink dot net to reply via email)

Seriously thinking about it. This a tent spot? Boat or wade stuff?

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

bugcaster wrote...
Seriously thinking about it.

You should.

This a tent spot?

From what I gather.

Boat or wade stuff?

I guess I am supposed to bring the boat, but it is mostly wading from
what I understand. The boats are used more for access from what I
gather. I have seen the boat launches and they look more like they are
meant for rafts (white water launches) that are very steep. From what I
have seen driving along the river, people slide their boats down to the
river and then put in. With enough people, man-handling and ropes the
boats and trailers might not be a problem, but you won't be using a
vehicle to launch the boats. I am bringing the boat, but I bet it is
mostly going to be wade fishing. RW and JohnnyH(ightower) should know
better more than I do. I have only driven along the river as I drove
out to George and Glady's place and have never fished it. Below Orifino
it is big water and better fished from a boat IMO and the launches are
better. You see more boats and fewer rafts in that section so there
must be better launch sites.
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt(nospam) and earthlink dot net to reply via email)

I know there are no hatches in Sept in the Rockies but.........
 

Wolfgang wrote:

On second thought, I guess you have.

Done.

I hope, for your sake, but most certainly not for mine, that the door
didn't hit you in the butt on the way out.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.