Its looking grim
 

"George Adams" wrote in message
...

...Take a look at the 'celebrities' that
came out for Kerry. Moore, Franken, P-Diddy, 50-Cent. Are they your vision
for
a better America?. I hope not, because you seem far too intelligent to
think
like that...

One thing that definitely needs to change is the snobbish elite view that
all
Bush voters are ignorant rubes and yahoos...

Hm.......

Wolfgang

Its looking grim
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
Look at the map that John Russel referred to. It's an impressive win,
especially when things were going very badly for him. And, remember,
he is the first majority president since his father.

You want a map? Here's a map:
http://kenlayne.com/new_map.jpg
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

Its looking grim
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
Look at the map that John Russel referred to. It's an impressive win,
especially when things were going very badly for him. And, remember,
he is the first majority president since his father.

You want a map? Here's a map:
http://kenlayne.com/new_map.jpg
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

Its looking grim
 

George Adams wrote:
snip
One thing that definitely needs to change is the snobbish elite view that all
Bush voters are ignorant rubes and yahoos. I number myself among those folks,
and I find some of the remarks made on this board to be personal insults, not
that it really matters. That attitude is doing as much to divide this country
as anything Bush & co. have done. ...

That's as silly as anything I've read in this thread. Not all Shrub voters
are ignorant yahoos, but 75% of them are. If you believe Saddam Hussein
was involved in 9/11 you're so criminally stupid and uninformed you cannot
possibly cast an informed vote. Period. And calling those people stupid
is not arrogant or condescending or elitist, it's just flat out true. I
don't give a **** if you think Lawrence Welk reruns are the only decent
thing on TV and that watching Will & Grace makes hair grow on your palms
but by God if you're gonna vote you have an obligation to be informed.

The one thing that definitely needs to change in this country is that
"liberal" is a dirty word.

"What's the Matter with Kansas" by Thomas Frank. Give it a read George,
it just might change your mind.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Its looking grim
 

George Adams wrote:
snip
One thing that definitely needs to change is the snobbish elite view that all
Bush voters are ignorant rubes and yahoos. I number myself among those folks,
and I find some of the remarks made on this board to be personal insults, not
that it really matters. That attitude is doing as much to divide this country
as anything Bush & co. have done. ...

That's as silly as anything I've read in this thread. Not all Shrub voters
are ignorant yahoos, but 75% of them are. If you believe Saddam Hussein
was involved in 9/11 you're so criminally stupid and uninformed you cannot
possibly cast an informed vote. Period. And calling those people stupid
is not arrogant or condescending or elitist, it's just flat out true. I
don't give a **** if you think Lawrence Welk reruns are the only decent
thing on TV and that watching Will & Grace makes hair grow on your palms
but by God if you're gonna vote you have an obligation to be informed.

The one thing that definitely needs to change in this country is that
"liberal" is a dirty word.

"What's the Matter with Kansas" by Thomas Frank. Give it a read George,
it just might change your mind.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Its looking grim
 

From: "Wolfgang"


"George Adams" wrote in message
...

...Take a look at the 'celebrities' that
came out for Kerry. Moore, Franken, P-Diddy, 50-Cent. Are they your vision
for
a better America?. I hope not, because you seem far too intelligent to
think
like that...

One thing that definitely needs to change is the snobbish elite view that
all
Bush voters are ignorant rubes and yahoos...

Hm.......

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

Its looking grim
 

From: "Wolfgang"


"George Adams" wrote in message
...

...Take a look at the 'celebrities' that
came out for Kerry. Moore, Franken, P-Diddy, 50-Cent. Are they your vision
for
a better America?. I hope not, because you seem far too intelligent to
think
like that...

One thing that definitely needs to change is the snobbish elite view that
all
Bush voters are ignorant rubes and yahoos...

Hm.......

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

Its looking grim
 

From: Ken Fortenberry

That's as silly as anything I've read in this thread. Not all Shrub voters
are ignorant yahoos, but 75% of them are.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

Its looking grim
 

From: Ken Fortenberry

That's as silly as anything I've read in this thread. Not all Shrub voters
are ignorant yahoos, but 75% of them are.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

Its looking grim
 

"George Adams" wrote in message
...
From: "Wolfgang"


"George Adams" wrote in message
...

...Take a look at the 'celebrities' that
came out for Kerry. Moore, Franken, P-Diddy, 50-Cent. Are they
your vision
for
a better America?. I hope not, because you seem far too
intelligent to
think
like that...

One thing that definitely needs to change is the snobbish elite
view that
all
Bush voters are ignorant rubes and yahoos...

Hm.......

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Well now, THERE'S a brilliant thesis defense.

Wolfgang
who, when he sits down to a nicely roasted bird, is not particular as
to its gender.

Its looking grim
 

"George Adams" wrote in message
...
From: "Wolfgang"


"George Adams" wrote in message
...

...Take a look at the 'celebrities' that
came out for Kerry. Moore, Franken, P-Diddy, 50-Cent. Are they
your vision
for
a better America?. I hope not, because you seem far too
intelligent to
think
like that...

One thing that definitely needs to change is the snobbish elite
view that
all
Bush voters are ignorant rubes and yahoos...

Hm.......

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Well now, THERE'S a brilliant thesis defense.

Wolfgang
who, when he sits down to a nicely roasted bird, is not particular as
to its gender.

Its looking grim
 

"George Adams" wrote in message
...
From: Ken Fortenberry

That's as silly as anything I've read in this thread. Not all Shrub
voters
are ignorant yahoos, but 75% of them are.


George Adams

You flatter yourself. You ain't a hair over 43%.

Wolfgang

Its looking grim
 

"George Adams" wrote in message
...
From: Ken Fortenberry

That's as silly as anything I've read in this thread. Not all Shrub
voters
are ignorant yahoos, but 75% of them are.


George Adams

You flatter yourself. You ain't a hair over 43%.

Wolfgang

Its looking grim
 

From: Ken Fortenberry

That's as silly as anything I've read in this thread. Not all Shrub voters
are ignorant yahoos, but 75% of them are.

That's the silliest thing I've read in this thread.

If you believe Saddam Hussein
was involved in 9/11 you're so criminally stupid and uninformed you cannot
possibly cast an informed vote.

Saddam Hussien was *not*, I repeat *not* involved in 9/11, and the Cheney quote
that the Dem's were playing ad infinatum was taken out of context. When you
hear the whole conversation, the meaning is quite different. That said, Hussein
was involved in supporting terrorism.

And calling those people stupid
is not arrogant or condescending or elitist, it's just flat out true.

What people are those Ken? And who the **** are you to decide who votes or
doesn't. If your attitude is representative of the Democratic party, and it
doesn't change, you are doomed to a generation of Republican administrations.

I
don't give a **** if you think Lawrence Welk reruns are the only decent
thing on TV and that watching Will & Grace makes hair grow on your palms
but by God if you're gonna vote you have an obligation to be informed.


I didn't care for Lawrence Welk fifty years ago, and certainly wouldn't watch
the reruns. The gay marriage issue is not even on my radar. I couldn't really
care less about a person's sexual orientation, and in fact, I was disgusted
with Kerry and Edwards making the remarks they did regarding Mary Cheney. WTF
was that about?



The one thing that definitely needs to change in this country is that
"liberal" is a dirty word.

Liberal didn't used to be a dirty word. It is the current implementation of
'liberalism' that has tarnished it.

"What's the Matter with Kansas" by Thomas Frank. Give it a read George,
it just might change your mind.

Well, i'll have some time over the winter, so I might do just that.
(Read the book, not change my mind G)


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

Its looking grim
 

From: Ken Fortenberry

That's as silly as anything I've read in this thread. Not all Shrub voters
are ignorant yahoos, but 75% of them are.

That's the silliest thing I've read in this thread.

If you believe Saddam Hussein
was involved in 9/11 you're so criminally stupid and uninformed you cannot
possibly cast an informed vote.

Saddam Hussien was *not*, I repeat *not* involved in 9/11, and the Cheney quote
that the Dem's were playing ad infinatum was taken out of context. When you
hear the whole conversation, the meaning is quite different. That said, Hussein
was involved in supporting terrorism.

And calling those people stupid
is not arrogant or condescending or elitist, it's just flat out true.

What people are those Ken? And who the **** are you to decide who votes or
doesn't. If your attitude is representative of the Democratic party, and it
doesn't change, you are doomed to a generation of Republican administrations.

I
don't give a **** if you think Lawrence Welk reruns are the only decent
thing on TV and that watching Will & Grace makes hair grow on your palms
but by God if you're gonna vote you have an obligation to be informed.


I didn't care for Lawrence Welk fifty years ago, and certainly wouldn't watch
the reruns. The gay marriage issue is not even on my radar. I couldn't really
care less about a person's sexual orientation, and in fact, I was disgusted
with Kerry and Edwards making the remarks they did regarding Mary Cheney. WTF
was that about?



The one thing that definitely needs to change in this country is that
"liberal" is a dirty word.

Liberal didn't used to be a dirty word. It is the current implementation of
'liberalism' that has tarnished it.

"What's the Matter with Kansas" by Thomas Frank. Give it a read George,
it just might change your mind.

Well, i'll have some time over the winter, so I might do just that.
(Read the book, not change my mind G)


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

Its looking grim
 

On 05 Nov 2004 13:41:29 GMT, ojunk (George Adams) wrote:

Liberal didn't used to be a dirty word. It is the current implementation of
'liberalism' that has tarnished it.

That is probably Newt's biggest legacy - the knee jerk word association of
liberal with something bad.
--
Charlie...
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/c/cchoc/

Its looking grim
 

From:

On this George is absolutely right. You will never sway voters
to your side by telling them how stupid they were to vote the
other side. You'll simply entrench them even stronger. And, like
it or not, this atitude *is* what the average rural American is
seeing from the "urban intellectual" mouth of the Democratic
party. Do people really want to hear Michael Moore tell them what
idiots they are for electing Bush the first time? If you think
the answer is yes, then the Democrats will lose again fours years
from now..

Thanks Jon. I'm glad somebody gets the message.



George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

Its looking grim
 

From:

On this George is absolutely right. You will never sway voters
to your side by telling them how stupid they were to vote the
other side. You'll simply entrench them even stronger. And, like
it or not, this atitude *is* what the average rural American is
seeing from the "urban intellectual" mouth of the Democratic
party. Do people really want to hear Michael Moore tell them what
idiots they are for electing Bush the first time? If you think
the answer is yes, then the Democrats will lose again fours years
from now..

Thanks Jon. I'm glad somebody gets the message.



George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

Its looking grim
 

Bill Kiene wrote:
If and when our Muslim friends are successful in getting a nuclear
bomb off
in a major US city it will all take care of it's self.

Automatic WWIII

--
Bill Kiene


If a nuclear bomb ever (probably will, at this rate) goes off
in a US City, you can kiss democracy good bye for ever.
Count on it.

If the Palestinians had followed Ghandi's lead and/or Martin Luther
King's, they would have a homeland by now. But the blame for this
mess is still primarily ours--and England's. We created this mess
in the first place, and then spent a half a century siding always
and unquestioningly with the Israelis. The Palestinians got screwed
from the getgo. The do have reasons for their animosity.

The arab israeli conflict is not the only issue, but it is the primary
issue. The arab israeli conflict is the engine of discontent in the
middle east, and we seem to have no vison, no strategy and no plan
to face up to this.

Expect the worst.

Its looking grim
 

Bill Kiene wrote:
If and when our Muslim friends are successful in getting a nuclear
bomb off
in a major US city it will all take care of it's self.

Automatic WWIII

--
Bill Kiene


If a nuclear bomb ever (probably will, at this rate) goes off
in a US City, you can kiss democracy good bye for ever.
Count on it.

If the Palestinians had followed Ghandi's lead and/or Martin Luther
King's, they would have a homeland by now. But the blame for this
mess is still primarily ours--and England's. We created this mess
in the first place, and then spent a half a century siding always
and unquestioningly with the Israelis. The Palestinians got screwed
from the getgo. The do have reasons for their animosity.

The arab israeli conflict is not the only issue, but it is the primary
issue. The arab israeli conflict is the engine of discontent in the
middle east, and we seem to have no vison, no strategy and no plan
to face up to this.

Expect the worst.

Its looking grim - OT
 

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:27:21 -0800, JR
wrote:

George Adams wrote:

Well let's take a look. The majority seemed to feel that Bush would be more
effective against terrorism, and they like his tax policy. As far as fiscal
responsibility...well 2 out of three ain't bad.

How does one separate Bush's fiscal irresponsibility from his ruinous,
regressive tax policy or from his hugely costly, totally unnecessary
war--a war that hinders rather than aids the fight against terrorism?

Well, yeah! There's *that*!

But then there's......um............hmmm...........

/daytripper (still can't believe they *elected* the idiot. jeeze...)

Its looking grim
 

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:02:21 GMT, "Stan Gula"
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
Look at the map that John Russel referred to. It's an impressive win,
especially when things were going very badly for him. And, remember,
he is the first majority president since his father.

You want a map? Here's a map:
http://kenlayne.com/new_map.jpg

Perfect. I'm there.

Its looking grim
 

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:02:21 GMT, "Stan Gula"
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
Look at the map that John Russel referred to. It's an impressive win,
especially when things were going very badly for him. And, remember,
he is the first majority president since his father.

You want a map? Here's a map:
http://kenlayne.com/new_map.jpg

Perfect. I'm there.

Its looking grim
 

On 05 Nov 2004 16:55:14 GMT, ojunk (George Adams) wrote:

From:

On this George is absolutely right. You will never sway voters
to your side by telling them how stupid they were to vote the
other side. You'll simply entrench them even stronger. And, like
it or not, this atitude *is* what the average rural American is
seeing from the "urban intellectual" mouth of the Democratic
party. Do people really want to hear Michael Moore tell them what
idiots they are for electing Bush the first time? If you think
the answer is yes, then the Democrats will lose again fours years
from now..

Thanks Jon. I'm glad somebody gets the message.

Yeah, they were total ****wits, but we won't talk about that any more.

/daytripper (That about right? No?? ****, no satisfying some folks! ;-)

Its looking grim
 

On 05 Nov 2004 16:55:14 GMT, ojunk (George Adams) wrote:

From:

On this George is absolutely right. You will never sway voters
to your side by telling them how stupid they were to vote the
other side. You'll simply entrench them even stronger. And, like
it or not, this atitude *is* what the average rural American is
seeing from the "urban intellectual" mouth of the Democratic
party. Do people really want to hear Michael Moore tell them what
idiots they are for electing Bush the first time? If you think
the answer is yes, then the Democrats will lose again fours years
from now..

Thanks Jon. I'm glad somebody gets the message.

Yeah, they were total ****wits, but we won't talk about that any more.

/daytripper (That about right? No?? ****, no satisfying some folks! ;-)

Its looking grim
 

"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
...
Dave LaCourse wrote:

It *was* the first majority vote since 88, however.

For me, this is actually very depressing. We were having a
consistent "strong" 3rd-party vote for over a decade, and
the two parties rewrote the rules and reigned it in, thus
consolidating their power. Very sad...

You think THAT'S sad..........it'll be nearly a year and a half before the
next presidential campaign starts. What are we gonna do till then?
:(

Wolfgang
sigh

Its looking grim
 

"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
...
Dave LaCourse wrote:

It *was* the first majority vote since 88, however.

For me, this is actually very depressing. We were having a
consistent "strong" 3rd-party vote for over a decade, and
the two parties rewrote the rules and reigned it in, thus
consolidating their power. Very sad...

You think THAT'S sad..........it'll be nearly a year and a half before the
next presidential campaign starts. What are we gonna do till then?
:(

Wolfgang
sigh

Its looking grim
 

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:24:19 -0700, philski
wrote:


As far as Social Security is concerned, I think I could have done a lot
better had I been able to invest those same monies in simple savings
accounts. But I have to pay into it whether I like it or not. Each
paycheck I receive has a noted deduction for the upkeep of that
entitlement. It used to have it's own fund and account. But it was
raided by Congress and put into the General Fund. So, I will collect "my
share" someday, but until then, I guess I'll have to put up with the tax
that it is.


I know this is old, but: Social Security is a welfare program
that Roosevelt dressed up as an "insurance program" to
make it palatable to both payers and payees. And it was not
"raided by Congress," it was Nixon that first began to comingle
funds and every president since has followed suit.