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Interesting. I've never really noted any flavor imparted by the
filter.....except when forced to use a paper towel in emergency
situations.
I always opted for the unfiltered purely on the basis of environmental
considerations. Ah well, yet another set of experiments to conduct.
:)

Wolfgang

Fudgepacker

Fascinating observation. Doubtless, this will have a far reaching impact on
all future discussions here. You have SO much to be proud of.

Wolfgang
some things a boy just has to take seriously.

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Did you ever get one of those little Ikea espresso maker thingies
like
I had at my campsite?

Nah, I haven't gotten one. Espresso is something I like every once in
a
great while.....not enough to justify buying apparatus for making it.
I've found that mooching off of fishing companions suits my needs
perfectly. :)

That's cool. I also enjoyed mooching your advice and that Pass
Lake.
:-)

Now if Wolfgang can just forgive me for using Starbucks (aka,
"Charbucks") in the thing. :-}
The one nice thing about Starbucks is that you can use any of their
beans to make espresso. No, it won't be good, but none of it will be
worse than any other.

It's sort of the McDonalds of the coffee world in that respect.

And to tie in with another part of this thread: McDonalds in
Canuckistan have been serving pretty decent coffee for quite a while.
I
never drink coffee at convenience stores or fast food restaurants, but
Carol told me to try some one day and I was surprised at how much it
tasted like real coffee. :-}

Chuck Vance (who admits to knowing next to nothing at all about
coffee, except it goes nicely with a cig when sitting by the Little
River on a cool morning)
Yeah, that was good.

Indeed. And I hope to repeat that scene this year. Nothing
finalized
yet, but it looks like Carol has resigned herself to the fact that I
plan
to make the trip again. She even got me some new speakers for my car
for
xmas, saying if I was gonna be driving all those miles, I should at
least
have some decent sound in there. :-)

So I should be back about the same time of year (early May), and I
plan
to camp in the same spot if possible.

I'll bring my coffee maker ... you bring the beans. :-)


Chuck Vance (and a few Pass Lakes)

I'm currently trying to decide which of several time slots and venues
Jeff
has proposed to take him up on. So many choices, so little time! :(

Wolfgang

testiclelicker

Nuance is sort of a specialty of yours, huh?

Wolfgang

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"Janice" wrote in message
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You gotta speak
some other language.

My brother in law and I often muse on how it is that Starbucks seems
to have copyright on the Italian word for "twenty". :-)

In addition to your fascination with the roasting end of things,
consider- and it's not hard having seen the replies to this thread-
the various methods of passing the water through the grounds when
preparing the brew. Each method brings out a different flavor to the
end product, even if you use the same beans. I go through various
enthusiasms in this regard that last from a day at a time to months on
end- from standard drip machine through stove-top espresso maker (like
the aluminum one I use in camp on the Svea), pour-through (like the
other method I use when making a single cup in camp or the Chemex Tom
mentions), French press, and of course the simple "cowboy coffee"
method many of us use when there is a group in camp. All work equally
well- whether in the wilds or in the kitchen- and all will give a
different taste.

Yeah, I've messed around with all sorts of brewing methods for a long
long
time. The French Press method looked appealing, and I still know a lot
of
people who prefer it, but it does nothing at all for me.....too much sort
of
in between and undecided in terms of get the grounds out or leave them
in.
Percolators are an abomination, no need to equivocate. My favorite is
the
drip method.....through unbleached paper, thank you very much, none of
the
reusable (reuseless, if you ask me) wire mesh crap. Second
best.....surprisingly.....is cowboy coffee, which pretty much rapes all
the
conventional wisdom about brewing coffee.

Most methods suggest that the water be slightly
below the boiling point when you put them on the grounds- not sure why
the espresso method works so well considering this, but who's to
argue? It works!

Espresso is a law unto itself.....it's SUPPOSED TO taste like asphalt.

Wm
(who likes milk and a little sugar with his morning cuppa.... so sue
me! :-)

Grew up drinking it that way.....well, from age 7 to 10 or so. I'll
still
do that once in a while. Or, even better, plop a nice big gob of ice
cream
in it! But that's not coffee. That's just a coffee flavored dessert.
:)

Wolfgang

Molestor of little girls

Nah, I like adult women......you wouldn't understand.

Wolfgang

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"Steve" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:29:57 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

Somewhat surprisingly, the Kwikee Marts around here (well, some of them
anyway) are starting to use something more akin to boutique coffees and
brewing them directly into giant thermos jugs. Still ain't the nectar
of
the Gods, but it's a damned sight better than what's been available for
at
least the last forty years.....and much better than Starbucks.

Wait until you try a McDonald's coffee from their new outlets and
recover from the shock of being served a pretty decent cup.

Many years ago they did make a pretty good cup of coffee. Can't remember
just when it was but all of a sudden it went right into the
toilet.....also
a long time ago. Not that I get into McDonald's much anymore (maybe
three
or four times a year for a Big Mac), but it would be good to know that
there's good coffee available somewhere on the road.

Wolfgang

Dumb****

You are fast acquiring a reputation here. Something to bask in at long
last, eh? :)

Wolfgang

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"rb608" wrote in message
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On Jan 10, 2:10 pm, "Wolfgang" wrote:
What ****es me off (aside from the already mentioned fact that it all
tastes
like ****) is that you can't get "a small cup of coffee." You gotta
speak
some other language.

That's one thing I won't do. I order a "small" and let them figure it
out. Some times I *have* be there, but I don't have to speak their
language.

Sometimes, on the road and in need of a fix, it's the only thing I can
find.
I ask for a small coffee. They say our sizes are ibitty, bibitty,
blah.....
I say are those the names of the various sizes of cups you serve? They
say
yes sir. Well then, GIVE ME THE SMALL ONE!

(For a retail cup of coffee, though, it beats most other places. Most
other places for me being fast food, gas stations, & convenience
stores. Oh yeah, and the office.)

Somewhat surprisingly, the Kwikee Marts around here (well, some of them
anyway) are starting to use something more akin to boutique coffees and
brewing them directly into giant thermos jugs. Still ain't the nectar of
the Gods, but it's a damned sight better than what's been available for
at
least the last forty years.....and much better than Starbucks.

Wolfgang

Fagboy

I think that if you had any clear idea of how this is affecting me, you'd
stop. :(

Wolfgang

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"Larry L" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote



If not, any true coffee lover should definitely look into the do it
yourself thing.



I drink WAY too much of the stuff and always buy whole beans and grind
them just before preparing ( I generally use a French Press style pot )

I haven't tried roasting beans but with this encouragement I just may
do
so soon

What I've tasted so far convinces me that I made a wiser decision in this
than I do in most of my purchases. :)

I could have, and probably should have, done some more reading before
buying
a $70 machine to roast coffee, but I trust Rodger's judgment in these
matters. Subsequent reading reveals that I could have simply bought the
beans and roasted tham in a pan on the stove top. If you try that method
first, the worst that can happen is that you're out five or six bucks for
a
pound of beans. Based on my first attempt at using the machine, and
Becky's
first, and Rodger's 25 years, I'd say that the worst isn't likey to
happen.
If you don't like the first try, roast the second a little less.....or a
little more.....to suit your taste. And then, you only need to roast as
much at a time as suits your immediate needs.....it only takes five to
ten
minutes. The remaining beans can be stored at room temp for a year or
two.

There IS one potential drawback, though. Roasting coffee beans is an
extremely aromatic experience! Even a relatively light roast like I
prefer
leaves my apartment reeking of coffee (I don't have an exhaust fan). I
didn't realize the full impact until I stepped outside and then came back
in. Everything I've read thus far, including the instructions that came
with the machine, says that a really dark roast WILL produce smoke.
Anyone
who doesn't like a really powerful smell of roasting coffee will
definitely
NOT be pleased. And we're talking about an odor that's got some staying
power.

ASIDE: As I say, I drink lots of coffee, fresh ground and brewed
from a
variety of beans ... I thinnk of myself as a serious coffee drinker.
But I always feel like a real country bumpkin when forced to buy my
morning fix from a trendy coffee shop .... the list of fancy products
on
the list always leaves me wondering "what the hell is a Lattie" ( or
whatever) and "how do I just order a good cup of strong black coffee?"
.... the "adult beverage" in your subject line makes me again ponder,
"are
these kiddie drinks full of whipped cream really coffee?"

De gustibus non est disputandum.

What ****es me off (aside from the already mentioned fact that it all
tastes
like ****) is that you can't get "a small cup of coffee." You gotta
speak
some other language.

Wolfgang

Assmunch

Recognition in the eyes of your peers is what you live for.....ainna?

Wolfgang

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Give us enough coffee......or other adult beverages......and we fly!
:)
Or ursine encouragement. :-)

I was.....um.....luring it away to save Frank. Yeah, that's what I
was
doing.

Wolfgang
it's true what they say.....no good dead, however small, goes
unpunished.
^^^^

Interesting spelling. Was that an accident? :-)


Chuck Vance (no pun intended)

Opps!

Wolfgang
who would still rather be read than dead.

Dont let the helldogs butt rape you too often when you die.

I confess that what happens to my remains is of considerably less concern to
me than it appears to be to you. Well, everybody has to have something to
daydream about, huh? :)

Wolfgang

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Give us enough coffee......or other adult beverages......and we fly!
:)

Or ursine encouragement. :-)

I was.....um.....luring it away to save Frank. Yeah, that's what I was
doing.

Wolfgang
it's true what they say.....no good dead, however small, goes unpunished.
:(

^^^^^
Get a spellchecker, 1st grade dropout.

Speaking of education, you are to be congratulated on your exquisitely
developed and artistic ability to inflict pain. You must have studied long
and hard.

Wolfgang

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So, acidity? I
think maybe I don't know enough about the nuances of coffee to say just
what
it is I like about this one. I THOUGHT it was the LACK of acidity.
But
the
descriptions of the East African coffees at the site above make much of
their acidity being one of their stong features. I dunno. Got a lot
left
to learn, I guess.

Acidity when used to describe coffee is different from bitter.
Check this out, if you are interested
http://coffeereview.com/reference.cfm

Thanks, Steve, I'll check it out.

Every group has it's jargon. I mean, come on, we're really fling
fisherman aren't we?

Give us enough coffee......or other adult beverages......and we fly!
:)

Wolfgang

Jackhole

Jackhole? :)

Wolfgang

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What was it you liked about the Harrar?
Assuming it was brewed at the correct temp, was it the flowery notes?
The spice? The acidity?

Ah, now THIS is where it gets interesting! As I mentioned, I've been
doing
a bit of reading. This morning I found this site:

http://www.lucidcafe.com/homeroast1.html

One of the things the author mentions is that if you're going to talk
seriously about coffee you need to learn the vocabulary (just as in wine,
whiskey, beer, olive oil, etc.). I haven't yet. The story of my
attraction
to Harrar goes back several years to a local independent coffee shop I
used
to frequent. I went in there for the first time after picking up some
stuff
at an Italian market next door. Not expecting much, I was pleasantly
surprised to discover that they actually made drinkable coffee. So, I
used
to go in occasionally to get a decent cup of coffee. I would order
whatever
they had on tap that day. One day is was Harrar. It was the best cup of
coffee I'd had since my aunt used to grind stuff she got at Kuhn's
delicatessen in Chicago with her old hand mill back in the late 50s.

What did I like about it? Well, it wasn't sour. I frequently hear
people
talk about coffee being bitter if it's left on a burner too long (if it's
brewed into a pot on a hot plate it's already too long before the brew is
finished) or brewed too strong or if it's roasted too dark. Never did
understand that. Coffee IS bitter....it's supposed to be....to one
degree
or another. The above mentioned ****ups make it SOUR. So, acidity? I
think maybe I don't know enough about the nuances of coffee to say just
what
it is I like about this one. I THOUGHT it was the LACK of acidity. But
the
descriptions of the East African coffees at the site above make much of
their acidity being one of their stong features. I dunno. Got a lot
left
to learn, I guess.

If the answers are yes, you will probably enjoy most of the East
Africans. If it was primarily the acidity, that lemony tang, move over
to the Kenyans.
If it was the spiciness, try the PNGs, or a Latin American with a
review that mentions that aspect.

I'm going to have to do a comparison tasting to get any kind of idea at
all
of what I'm looking at and for. And I'm going to have to have some sort
of
score sheet that lists specific characteristics to evaluate. I've done
that
with wine and learned a lot about why I preferred some over others.

You're going to enjoy this journey.

Oh yeah, of that much I am sure! :)

Wolfgang
and thanks for the help.

Person who molests little boys.

Well.....gosh.....I sure wish I had as much excitement in my weekends as you
do!

Wolfgang

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All things take time. Evaporation, necessarily, only occurs at the
air/water interface or "meniscus," if you will. No expert on fluid
dynamics
myself, but I suspect that complete elimination of chlorine from a liter
of
water (or thereabouts) in the time it takes to brew a pot of coffee ain't
gonna happen.

Or just use spring water sold in the local supermarkets. 89 cents a
gal.

Or just let the tap water sit out overnight.

We visit Peets once a week and only buy 1/4 lb. bag of whole bean.
I always ask when they're expecting their weekly shipment.
Their min. size for sale is 1/4 lb.

A quick check confirms that the nearest Peet's store to me is in
Evanston,
Illinois......about 83 miles from here. Looking briefly at their
website, I
find no evidence that they sell green beans. The Coffee Project, on the
other hand, definitely sells the green beans and they ship from two
locations, somewhere in southern California which, admittedly, is a
longer
ride than Evanston, and Muskego, Wisconsin. I can't quite hit Muskego
with
a rock from here, but I can get there in the time it takes to finish a
good
hot cup of freshly roasted and brewed coffee. And, anyway, the brown
truck
can get here (with green beans) by tomorrow if I order today.

plus they will give you a free cup of coffee, sometimes
they forget to ask you that, you'll have to remind them
for the freebie.

Well, I DO drift down toward the Chicago area once in a while. Next time
I
find myself in Evanston...... :)

Thanks.

Wolfgang

Lover of Britney Spears music

Ah, now that is an interesting bit of speculation. In fact, I can't think
of the name of so much as one of her songs. It's possible that I DO like
some of her music......I wouldn't know. However, it doesn't seem likely to
me because I don't listen to radio stations that are likely to play any of
her stuff, I don't have any of her CDs, and nobody I know has ever (to the
best of my recollection) said "Hey, you gotta listen to this" with regard to
anything she's done.

Wolfgang

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"Janice" wrote in message
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Give it a try. I think you'll like the results and, if you just roast
some
in a pan you don't need to worry about a significant cash outlay.

However, I have to stress once again that roasting coffee creates a very
powerful aroma! When I got home from work yesterday, twelve hours after
roasting in the early morning, the apartment still reeked of it.
Henceforth
(at least until open window season) I'll be doing it out on the porch.

Wolfgang

Idiot.

What, you think I should do my roasting elsewhere? Where would you suggest?

Wolfgang

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Peanuts, sure. What other beans does one roast?

I guess most nuts are fruits as opposed to beans....so, you have me
thereg. That whole botanical classification thing was the culprit behind
botany being my only Biology
"B" as an undergrad....well, that, and the fact that it was the third of
three straight one-hour lectures on Mon, Weds and Friday mornings, and my
caffeine buzz had worn off by then.

Ah. I've never roasted nuts.....exactly. I occasionally toast them in a
pan prior to cooking with them, which amounts to about the same thing, I
suppose.

At any rate, roasting coffee seems an interesting process,

The process is about as simple as anything can be, aside from a bit of
experimenting with the darkness of the roast. I suspect it will soon lose
what little charm it has. The RESULT is what counts......fresh coffee!

and, hot damn if we didn't all have a 100-plus post discourse without
folks being called idiots, morons and the like!!! Woo-hoo!

Yeah, it was fun while it lasted, wasn't it. :)

Wolfgang

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"Janice" wrote in message
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As easily said as done! Well, if we invite Mr. Baker so that we can use
the
electrical appliances......otherwise we have to roast in a pan over a
campfire and grind the beans by hand with twelve pounds of mortar and
pestle.

Wolfgang

****er of rotten corpses

Eeeeeeewwwwww! :(

Wolfgang

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"Janice" wrote in message
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Edmond Dantes wrote in message
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So, while I appreciate discussions of the fine points and the arcana
of
food and beverages (it's probably no secret that I love spending time
in
the kitchen), and such talk is never out of place in any setting (ya
gotta stop fishing to eat and drink once in a while, right?), I've
never
really been a great fan of hard liquors. I don't mind that talk of
various single malt whiskies crops up here from time to time, but it
doesn't resonate for me. Beer, I know something about, having sampled
more than my share and even brewed a bunch of my own for a few years,
but
I can't drink it anymore.....gives me a headache every time. Wine, I
like, but I've found that I'm not interested enough to spend the time
and
money needed to learn about it in depth. Besides, the ten dollar a
box
stuff works well enough for my daily needs with supper.

No, my concern is really more for the other end of the day. For years
now (many years) I have been dissatisfied with the pitiful trash that
passes for coffee in this country. I've always known, of course, that
something can be done about it but never got around to doing it. That
just changed.

One day last week, Becky stopped by with some freshly roasted and
ground
Colombian caranavi. It got lost under a heap of something or other
for a
day or two and then I brewed up a pot when it turned up again. Hey,
this
is GOOD! Becky says talk to my dad, he sent me the roaster and a
bunch
of coffee for Christmas. Becky's father has been roasting his own
coffee
for 25 or 30 years. He'd talked to me about it a couple of years ago
but
at that time it just sounded like too much to get into in a life
already
crowded with many other things. But now I'd tasted the result. It
was
time to talk to Rodger again. So, Friday night I talked to him for
about
an hour and ended up going he

http://coffeeproject.com/index.html

and ordering a roaster and a couple of pounds of coffee, Ethiopian
harrar
and something listed just as Bolivian shade grown organic (I wanted
the
caranavi but apparently it's only sold bundled with other things in
some
sort of sampler).

This morning I roasted and brewed my first pot of the harrar. WOW! :)

Anyway, I've done a bit of research on line in the past couple of
days....there is a ton of stuff about coffee. But I'm wondering if
anyone else here has played with this and if so, I'd appreciate
hearing
about your experiences, preferences, etc. If not, any true coffee
lover
should definitely look into the do it yourself thing.

Wolfgang




Coffee ? ...................you sissy........

Dumbass.

Wolfgang

retard

Well, there now, you've spent an entire day or two boning up on your writing
skills. Don't you feel better for having expended the time and effort in a
worthy and beneficial pursuit?

Wolfgang

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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:59:09 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:28:58 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

At any rate, simply going
fresh-ground beats the crap in cans, so I would imagine that roasting would
add something as well, along with the usual do it yourself sort of
satisfaction with the process.

Coffee is stale 7 days out of the roaster. Nitrogen loading and/or
freezing doesn't change that much. Intensive studies have been done
looking for a way to change that without much success. Unfortunately,
there just isn't a way to get fresh coffee unless one roasts or has a
roaster they trust nearby.
Trivia: most Americans that drink coffee have never had fresh coffee.
That's not a put down, just an interesting (to me at least), factoid.

In the past, many folks in New Orleans roasted their own (a combination
of necessity and desire) and we actually have/had some sort of coffee
roasting contraption around - I haven't seen it in years. However, most
have a taste for coffee and chicory made VERY strong (ala demitasse,
although few drink in such - most use standard American-style
cups/beakers/mugs nowadays), so I'm not sure roasting at home would
serve much purpose anymore for that purpose. Also, many use a
cold-water drip extractor to make "extract" and simply add the extract
to hot water. In fact, you can buy such extract at most local grocers.

An interesting side note, at least to me, is that there are a lot of SE
Asians along the Gulf Coast (because of the seafood industries) and so,
a lot of Viet restaurants and the interesting part is that IME, they
exclusively use Creole coffee and chicory (typically CDM/Cafe Du Monde -
the brand of the primary beignet place in the French Quarter) in their
iced coffees.

TC,
R

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a lot of Viet restaurants and the interesting part is that IME, they
exclusively use Creole coffee and chicory (typically CDM/Cafe Du Monde -
the brand of the primary beignet place in the French Quarter) in their
iced coffees.

presumably the same influence - French - but in their case spreading
eastwards, rather than westwards?

Lazarus

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wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:59:09 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:28:58 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

At any rate, simply going
fresh-ground beats the crap in cans, so I would imagine that roasting
would
add something as well, along with the usual do it yourself sort of
satisfaction with the process.

Coffee is stale 7 days out of the roaster. Nitrogen loading and/or
freezing doesn't change that much. Intensive studies have been done
looking for a way to change that without much success. Unfortunately,
there just isn't a way to get fresh coffee unless one roasts or has a
roaster they trust nearby.
Trivia: most Americans that drink coffee have never had fresh coffee.
That's not a put down, just an interesting (to me at least), factoid.

In the past, many folks in New Orleans roasted their own (a combination
of necessity and desire) and we actually have/had some sort of coffee
roasting contraption around - I haven't seen it in years. However, most
have a taste for coffee and chicory made VERY strong (ala demitasse,
although few drink in such - most use standard American-style
cups/beakers/mugs nowadays), so I'm not sure roasting at home would
serve much purpose anymore for that purpose. Also, many use a
cold-water drip extractor to make "extract" and simply add the extract
to hot water. In fact, you can buy such extract at most local grocers.

An interesting side note, at least to me, is that there are a lot of SE
Asians along the Gulf Coast (because of the seafood industries) and so,
a lot of Viet restaurants and the interesting part is that IME, they
exclusively use Creole coffee and chicory (typically CDM/Cafe Du Monde -
the brand of the primary beignet place in the French Quarter) in their
iced coffees.

Hm.....

Would that be "authentic" "Real Creole®" coffee made by a mythical person
modifying a "recipe" found on the side of a condensed milk can?

Wolfgang
who, if so, would like his served with a slice of "Real Creole®" "authentic"
cheesecake. :)

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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:59:09 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:28:58 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

At any rate, simply going
fresh-ground beats the crap in cans, so I would imagine that roasting
would
add something as well, along with the usual do it yourself sort of
satisfaction with the process.

Coffee is stale 7 days out of the roaster. Nitrogen loading and/or
freezing doesn't change that much. Intensive studies have been done
looking for a way to change that without much success. Unfortunately,
there just isn't a way to get fresh coffee unless one roasts or has a
roaster they trust nearby.
Trivia: most Americans that drink coffee have never had fresh coffee.
That's not a put down, just an interesting (to me at least), factoid.

In the past, many folks in New Orleans roasted their own (a combination
of necessity and desire) and we actually have/had some sort of coffee
roasting contraption around - I haven't seen it in years. *However, most
have a taste for coffee and chicory made VERY strong (ala demitasse,
although few drink in such - most use standard American-style
cups/beakers/mugs nowadays), so I'm not sure roasting at home would
serve much purpose anymore for that purpose. *Also, many use a
cold-water drip extractor to make "extract" and simply add the extract
to hot water. *In fact, you can buy such extract at most local grocers..

An interesting side note, at least to me, is that there are a lot of SE
Asians along the Gulf Coast (because of the seafood industries) and so,
a lot of Viet restaurants and the interesting part is that IME, they
exclusively use Creole coffee and chicory (typically CDM/Cafe Du Monde -
the brand of the primary beignet place in the French Quarter) in their
iced coffees.

Hm.....

Would that be "authentic" "Real Creole®" coffee made by a mythical person
modifying a "recipe" found on the side of a condensed milk can?

Wolfgang
who, if so, would like his served with a slice of "Real Creole®" "authentic"
cheesecake. * * * :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You need to get this book -it's obvious you don't know **** from wild
honey about cooking or food.

http://www.amazon.com/Bull-Authentic.../dp/0880013907

The creols didn't invent cheesecake the Belgians did. In fact they
invented everything. All German, French, Creole and other reciepies
are just *******ations of original Belgian recipies.
I don't have my copy handy but I'll bet it has the real scoop on
roasting coffee as well

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"BJ Conner" wrote in message
...
On Jan 14, 8:53 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Hm.....

Would that be "authentic" "Real Creole®" coffee made by a mythical person
modifying a "recipe" found on the side of a condensed milk can?

Wolfgang
who, if so, would like his served with a slice of "Real Creole®"
"authentic"
cheesecake. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You need to get this book -it's obvious you don't know **** from wild
honey about cooking or food.

True, true. However, I'm about 20 pages from finishing "Robbing the Bees: A
Biography of Honey--The Sweet Liquid Gold that Seduced the World" by Holley
Bishop, so I'm pretty much up to speed on the domestic stuff. :)

http://www.amazon.com/Bull-Authentic.../dp/0880013907

The creols didn't invent cheesecake the Belgians did.

Probably, it was Leopold himself. Used all the hands he had cut off the
Congolese instead of cream cheese, would be my guess. Well, that would
explain dicklet's devotion, anyway.

In fact they invented everything.

They could well have stopped before they got around to the Irish. Would
have saved the whole world a lot of embarassment.

All German, French, Creole and other reciepies
are just *******ations of original Belgian recipies.

Creoles, unlike the rest of the world (if we are to give credence to an
unimpeachable authority.....um......excuse me, "THE" unimpeachable
authority), don't use recipes to cook the few simple things that they have
cooked every day of their lives, mirabile dictu!

I don't have my copy handy but I'll bet it has the real scoop on
roasting coffee as well

Herter's untimely death is generally viewed as a great blow to humanity.
Big deal, sez I, we got Usenet.....and dicklet!

Wolfgang
anybody got a good recipe for authentic "Real Creole®" gefilte fish?

The other adult beverage.....
 

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:49:25 +0000, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

a lot of Viet restaurants and the interesting part is that IME, they
exclusively use Creole coffee and chicory (typically CDM/Cafe Du Monde -
the brand of the primary beignet place in the French Quarter) in their
iced coffees.

presumably the same influence - French - but in their case spreading
eastwards, rather than westwards?

I think the primary New Orleans influences are European and African, but
IAC, I think the Viet use of Creole-style coffee is more a simple matter
of taste preference. Chicory coffee (Creole-style) is common down here
and many cultures drink it, so the fact that they found it is hardly
special. What I find interesting is that they took to it almost
completely - in fact, I've never had iced coffee in a Viet establishment
or home anywhere from Texas to Florida that wasn't made with
Creole-style chicory coffee, yet Viet coffee (IOW, coffee from and/or
sold in Viet Nam) isn't really blended with chicory or much like the
Creole coffee.

TC,
R

Lazarus

The other adult beverage.....
 

In article ,
wrote:

s.

presumably the same influence - French - but in their case spreading
eastwards, rather than westwards?

I think the primary New Orleans influences are European and African, but
IAC, I think the Viet use of Creole-style coffee is more a simple matter
of taste preference. Chicory coffee (Creole-style) is common down here
and many cultures drink it, so the fact that they found it is hardly
special. What I find interesting is that they took to it almost
completely - in fact, I've never had iced coffee in a Viet establishment
or home anywhere from Texas to Florida that wasn't made with
Creole-style chicory coffee, yet Viet coffee (IOW, coffee from and/or
sold in Viet Nam) isn't really blended with chicory or much like the
Creole coffee.


Hmm, I' m afraid you're almost certainly right.

But I did like the notion of French coffee, mixed with chicory,
spreading westwards through Senagal and the slave states and then
across the Atlantic, and also spreading eastwards, with the foreign
legion to Indo-china, and finally meeting itself in the opposite
direction, right around the globe, through a series of bizarre
accidents, in New Orleans.........

Hey ho

Lazarus

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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:22:23 +0000, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

s.

presumably the same influence - French - but in their case spreading
eastwards, rather than westwards?

I think the primary New Orleans influences are European and African, but
IAC, I think the Viet use of Creole-style coffee is more a simple matter
of taste preference. Chicory coffee (Creole-style) is common down here
and many cultures drink it, so the fact that they found it is hardly
special. What I find interesting is that they took to it almost
completely - in fact, I've never had iced coffee in a Viet establishment
or home anywhere from Texas to Florida that wasn't made with
Creole-style chicory coffee, yet Viet coffee (IOW, coffee from and/or
sold in Viet Nam) isn't really blended with chicory or much like the
Creole coffee.


Hmm, I' m afraid you're almost certainly right.

But I did like the notion of French coffee, mixed with chicory,
spreading westwards through Senagal and the slave states and then
across the Atlantic, and also spreading eastwards, with the foreign
legion to Indo-china, and finally meeting itself in the opposite
direction, right around the globe, through a series of bizarre
accidents, in New Orleans.........

Well, if it makes you feel better (and restores your sense of romantic
Kiplingesque culinary adventures), they did bring their interpretation
of "French bread" with them, and it is remarkably similar to New
Orleans-style "French bread" - a _really_ airy, lightweight (a 3-foot/1
meter loaf is about 8 oz.), crispy-crust baguette-shaped type of thing.
TC,
R

Hey ho

Lazarus

The other adult beverage.....
 

In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:

Hm.....

Would that be "authentic" "Real Creole®" coffee made by a mythical person
modifying a "recipe" found on the side of a condensed milk can?

Wolfgang
who, if so, would like his served with a slice of "Real Creole®" "authentic"
cheesecake. :)

Idiot

The other adult beverage.....
 

In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:


"BJ Conner" wrote in message
...
On Jan 14, 8:53 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Hm.....

Would that be "authentic" "Real Creole®" coffee made by a mythical person
modifying a "recipe" found on the side of a condensed milk can?

Wolfgang
who, if so, would like his served with a slice of "Real Creole®"
"authentic"
cheesecake. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You need to get this book -it's obvious you don't know **** from wild
honey about cooking or food.

True, true. However, I'm about 20 pages from finishing "Robbing the Bees: A
Biography of Honey--The Sweet Liquid Gold that Seduced the World" by Holley
Bishop, so I'm pretty much up to speed on the domestic stuff. :)

http://www.amazon.com/Bull-Authentic...s/dp/088001390
7

The creols didn't invent cheesecake the Belgians did.

Probably, it was Leopold himself. Used all the hands he had cut off the
Congolese instead of cream cheese, would be my guess. Well, that would
explain dicklet's devotion, anyway.

In fact they invented everything.

They could well have stopped before they got around to the Irish. Would
have saved the whole world a lot of embarassment.

All German, French, Creole and other reciepies
are just *******ations of original Belgian recipies.

Creoles, unlike the rest of the world (if we are to give credence to an
unimpeachable authority.....um......excuse me, "THE" unimpeachable
authority), don't use recipes to cook the few simple things that they have
cooked every day of their lives, mirabile dictu!

I don't have my copy handy but I'll bet it has the real scoop on
roasting coffee as well

Herter's untimely death is generally viewed as a great blow to humanity.
Big deal, sez I, we got Usenet.....and dicklet!

Wolfgang
anybody got a good recipe for authentic "Real Creole®" gefilte fish?

Asswipe

The other adult beverage.....
 

In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:


You are fast acquiring a reputation here. Something to bask in at long
last, eh? :)

Wolfgang

Sort of like your reputation for insulting people with terse one word
insults like "idiot"? Too bad your pea brain cant see the similarity.
I wish I had a wolfgang bot that could spew your very own insults back
to you that infests this group

The other adult beverage.....
 

In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:

Fagboy

I think that if you had any clear idea of how this is affecting me, you'd
stop. :(

Wolfgang

That is funny, jackhole. Given how you have treated thousands of people
with your one word insults for years we all know it not to be true.

The other adult beverage.....
 

In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:

Wolfgang

Idiot.

What, you think I should do my roasting elsewhere? Where would you suggest?

Wolfgang

I think you should have the above pea sized brain to see my childish
insults are a waste, and realize you do the same thing. So yes, you
should STOP your roasting of OTHERS.

The other adult beverage.....
 

In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:

Well, there now, you've spent an entire day or two boning up on your writing
skills. Don't you feel better for having expended the time and effort in a
worthy and beneficial pursuit?

Wolfgang

Does it make you feel better with your one line posts calling people
"idiots"? Get a mirror.

The other adult beverage.....
 

Janice wrote:
I think you should have the above pea sized brain to see my childish
insults are a waste, and realize you do the same thing. So yes, you
should STOP your roasting of OTHERS.

At least Little Wolfie has the stones to post his nastiness
under his own name. So long as you post anonymously you will
never, nor should you ever, be taken seriously. Besides which
Little Wolfie is easily ignored and ignoring him is far better
than emulating him, especially when you attempt to emulate him
anonymously.

In short, **** off and die you anonymous piece of ****.

--
Ken Fortenberry - we really need a new bouncer around here

The other adult beverage.....
 

"Janice" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:


You are fast acquiring a reputation here. Something to bask in at long
last, eh? :)

Wolfgang

Sort of like your reputation for insulting people with terse one word
insults like "idiot"?

No, nothing like that at all.

Too bad your pea brain cant see the similarity.

The similarities are easy enough that even you picked up on them. But it's
the differences that count. These will forever remain a mystery to you.
That's what makes you entertaining.

I wish I had a wolfgang bot that could spew your very own insults back
to you that infests this group

Probably wouldn't be difficult for anyone familiar with such things to
devise one. I'm afraid you'll have to settle (like so many others) for
typing them up one at a time. Have fun! :)

Wolfgang

The other adult beverage.....
 

"Janice" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:

Fagboy

I think that if you had any clear idea of how this is affecting me, you'd
stop. :(

Wolfgang

That is funny, jackhole. Given how you have treated thousands of people
with your one word insults for years we all know it not to be true.

Thousands? Well.....gosh.

Wolfgang
anybody here own a business in need of a really good estimator?

The other adult beverage.....
 

"Janice" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:


"BJ Conner" wrote in message
...
On Jan 14, 8:53 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Hm.....

Would that be "authentic" "Real Creole®" coffee made by a mythical
person
modifying a "recipe" found on the side of a condensed milk can?

Wolfgang
who, if so, would like his served with a slice of "Real Creole®"
"authentic"
cheesecake. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You need to get this book -it's obvious you don't know **** from wild
honey about cooking or food.

True, true. However, I'm about 20 pages from finishing "Robbing the
Bees: A
Biography of Honey--The Sweet Liquid Gold that Seduced the World" by
Holley
Bishop, so I'm pretty much up to speed on the domestic stuff. :)

http://www.amazon.com/Bull-Authentic...s/dp/088001390
7

The creols didn't invent cheesecake the Belgians did.

Probably, it was Leopold himself. Used all the hands he had cut off the
Congolese instead of cream cheese, would be my guess. Well, that would
explain dicklet's devotion, anyway.

In fact they invented everything.

They could well have stopped before they got around to the Irish. Would
have saved the whole world a lot of embarassment.

All German, French, Creole and other reciepies
are just *******ations of original Belgian recipies.

Creoles, unlike the rest of the world (if we are to give credence to an
unimpeachable authority.....um......excuse me, "THE" unimpeachable
authority), don't use recipes to cook the few simple things that they
have
cooked every day of their lives, mirabile dictu!

I don't have my copy handy but I'll bet it has the real scoop on
roasting coffee as well

Herter's untimely death is generally viewed as a great blow to humanity.
Big deal, sez I, we got Usenet.....and dicklet!

Wolfgang
anybody got a good recipe for authentic "Real Creole®" gefilte fish?

Asswipe

Hm.......yes......I see.

I'm sure your ever increasing and enthralled audience would be ever so
grateful if you could expand on that just a bit. Whattya say?

Wolfgang

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"Janice" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:

Hm.....

Would that be "authentic" "Real Creole®" coffee made by a mythical person
modifying a "recipe" found on the side of a condensed milk can?

Wolfgang
who, if so, would like his served with a slice of "Real Creole®"
"authentic"
cheesecake. :)

Idiot

At the rate you are currently racking up your score here, you are fast
approaching a position to set a new Usenet record. Does the tension ever
get to you?

Wolfgang

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"Janice" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:

Wolfgang

Idiot.

What, you think I should do my roasting elsewhere? Where would you
suggest?

Wolfgang

I think you should have the above pea sized brain to see my childish
insults are a waste,

Oh, I think I see that clearly enough.

and realize you do the same thing.

Oh dear, no, what I do is not at all the same thing. As a matter of fact,
there is no discernible similarity whatsoever.

So yes, you
should STOP your roasting of OTHERS.

Ah! Wit! We just LOVE that. :)

Wolfgang

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Janice wrote:
I think you should have the above pea sized brain to see my childish
insults are a waste, and realize you do the same thing. So yes, you
should STOP your roasting of OTHERS.

At least Little Wolfie has the stones to post his nastiness
under his own name. So long as you post anonymously you will
never, nor should you ever, be taken seriously. Besides which
Little Wolfie is easily ignored and ignoring him is far better
than emulating him, especially when you attempt to emulate him
anonymously.

In short, **** off and die you anonymous piece of ****.

--
Ken Fortenberry - we really need a new bouncer around here

BOO!

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee.

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"Janice" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:

Well, there now, you've spent an entire day or two boning up on your
writing
skills. Don't you feel better for having expended the time and effort in
a
worthy and beneficial pursuit?

Wolfgang

Does it make you feel better with your one line posts calling people
"idiots"?

Better than.......?

Get a mirror.

Got one. As a matter of fact, I've got several.

So?

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang typed:
"Janice" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:

Fagboy

I think that if you had any clear idea of how this is affecting me,
you'd stop. :(

Wolfgang

That is funny, jackhole. Given how you have treated thousands of
people with your one word insults for years we all know it not to be
true.

Thousands? Well.....gosh.

Wolfgang
anybody here own a business in need of a really good estimator?

We're at 92% capacity on estimators right now, and only 89% to go to reach
our hiring goal!
--
TL,
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-------------------------
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