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Wolfgang wrote:

Speaking of whom......Becky just got a letter (honest to God snail mail
letter!) from the estimable Ms. Miller. Now, I've been out in the world a
time or two, so I know that there is nothing unusual about being
complimentary when speaking of new friends......and especially when speaking
TO them......but good lord! If half the things she said are true, she likes
us better than we do. Um.......well, she hasn't known us as long. At any
rate, we're thinking of hiring her as our publicist.

well, you do need to take into account that she apparently also likes
me, so... anyway, she did enjoy y'all and i hope we can do it again.
....and, she is available for employment. she's good at "no feigned
praise"...what you payin?

Rachel says you caught some sardines in Santeetlah. :)

but, it was "**little**" santeetlah in joyce kilmer between the two
bridges... same size and just as manny as in sassy...all rainbows. fun.
i sent you some photos of the "biggest" tree on the trail...not that
piker you had a photo of.

Wolfgang
oh, and ketchup is gonna be the death of you. :(

nah... but i'll admit the stuff i use it on probably isn't too healthy
for me. it makes olives taste better though... ;)

jeff (watchin the Tar Heels march on the UM Hurricanes... oh what fun!)

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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well, top posting is an innocent succussion (got that from a physician's
notes) made sublime by your personal reaction...

as in most pertinacious ****ing contests, the "p" is wasted and
unnecessarily consumes energy and space. i'd go with the "rsltf"... i'm
thinking about using it on a t-shirt.

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

If you want to post in THIS forum, you should at least have
the courtesy to do like the rest of us and put your posts
BENEATH the posts to which you are replying, otherwise you're
just a rude, stupid, lazy, top-posting ****tard.

Which description, while well deserved and apt is still way
too much to type every time some pertinacious prick top posts.

So the question is this:

Should "rude, stupid, lazy, top-posting ****tard" be

RSLTPF

or should we save precious electrons and make it

RSLTF

Vote early and vote often. ;-)

...and, sorry about the difficulties in 'bama, hope all goes ok or as well
as possible. tough business. be gentle with the graham county trout on
the way through.

jeff (...and, btw, rachel thanks you for the "fuktard" label. it's now
among her many synonym's for "jeff")

Acronym Poll was Save the Environment Use Bamboo!

Jeff Miller wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Speaking of whom......

well, you do need to take into account ...

Rachel says you caught some sardines in Santeetlah. :)

but, it was "**little**" santeetlah ...

What we see here is a conventional, roffian Usenet
conversation with no top posting. The RSLTf will
engage in polite conversation when he's talking to
a buddy, but he'll top post more often than not.

Draw your own conclusions.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Draw your own conclusions.

You aren't his buddy any more?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Acronym Poll was Save the Environment Use Bamboo!

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Draw your own conclusions.

You aren't his buddy any more?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Save the Environment Use Bamboo!

"rw" wrote in message
m...
...The difference between flyfishing and tennis (or at least one
difference) is that performance is not only measurable, but unavoidably
obvious...

Stupid. Just plain stupid. The difference is that fly fishing isn't about
winning.......well, not for most of us anyway.

Wolfgang
thanks for sharing.

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

Speaking of whom......Becky just got a letter (honest to God snail mail
letter!) from the estimable Ms. Miller. Now, I've been out in the world
a time or two, so I know that there is nothing unusual about being
complimentary when speaking of new friends......and especially when
speaking TO them......but good lord! If half the things she said are
true, she likes us better than we do. Um.......well, she hasn't known us
as long. At any rate, we're thinking of hiring her as our publicist.

well, you do need to take into account that she apparently also likes me,
so... anyway, she did enjoy y'all and i hope we can do it again.

Becky, despite my advice, is determined to backpack on the AT. I believe
I've convinced her that October is the best time to do so......at least, the
best time given her schedule. Looks like you'll be stuck with us again same
time next year.

...and, she is available for employment. she's good at "no feigned
praise"...what you payin?

Have spice rack, will travel.

Rachel says you caught some sardines in Santeetlah. :)

but, it was "**little**" santeetlah in joyce kilmer between the two
bridges... same size and just as manny as in sassy...all rainbows. fun. i
sent you some photos of the "biggest" tree on the trail...not that piker
you had a photo of.

Very pretty place......none the less so for the fact that we ran into a
large contingent of junior high schoolers.......many of whom I'd guess were
Cherokee, incidentally. I was impressed by the trees, but a bit surprised
that the largest of them (mostly hemlocks, but also some tulip poplars and
beeches) were no bigger than the hemlocks and white pines along the Lake
Superior shore in the Porkies. Next time you're up that way I'll take you
on the trail approaching the Big Carp from the south. There's a spot I
remember that requires one to climb over and/or under hundreds of wind
throws as big as anything I saw in the Kilmer.

Weird thing......my sister lives in the Philaedlphia area......there are
trees all over that place bigger than anything I've seen in forests anywhere
east of the Mississippi.

Wolfgang
oh, and ketchup is gonna be the death of you. :(

nah... but i'll admit the stuff i use it on probably isn't too healthy for
me.

It isn't so much what you use it on as it is in whose company. NEVER let
the cook see you doing that! :(

it makes olives taste better though... ;)

Hm........sounds like the makings of a wonderful pate. :)

jeff (watchin the Tar Heels march on the UM Hurricanes... oh what fun!)

Um......football......the one with the pointy ends, ainna?

Wolfgang
take good care of my shirt......it's a long way from home.....and it's kinda
shy.

Acronym Poll was Save the Environment Use Bamboo!

Save the Environment Use Bamboo!

"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
m...

...The difference between flyfishing and tennis (or at least one
difference) is that performance is not only measurable, but unavoidably
obvious...

Stupid. Just plain stupid. The difference is that fly fishing isn't
about winning.......well, not for most of us anyway.

I was talking about performance of the equipment, stupid.

But of course. And this is why your life's ambition of being a winner is
forever doomed.

It ain't the fiddlestick.........

Wolfgang
oh, and flyfishing isn't about winning.......well, for most of us, anyway.

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rw wrote:

JR wrote:

What rod was it? What exactly did you hate?

I'm not playing that game, JR.

My opinion of one particular bamboo rod is not important.

Not a game. I honestly think it's the only thing that's important. I've
fished with bamboo rods I hated and others I loved.

Bamboo is
objectively an inferior material for rod-making compared to graphite.

Objectivity has no place in fly fishing. Its pleasures are ALL
subjective.

****, it's even inferior to fiberglass, and probably even to steel. It is:

1. Heavier (lower strength/weight).

Unless you're stuck on "objective" generalities regarding inert materials
(graphite v. cane), for shorter rods (8 foot and less) in lighter line
weights (5wt and less), rod weight is simply not that important. I fish
my cane rods (all of them 8' or less) with Hardy Lightweights, and the
total package is equal or lighter in weight than most common combos these
days of graphite rod + (totally unnecessary) disk-drag reel. To me, the
cut-off is generally 7.5ft, 3-piece or 8ft, 2-piece. These are more
pleasurable for me to fish in cane. Rods longer, or for heavier line, or
in more pieces, are more pleasurable to fish (again, for me) in graphite.
As long as the total weight of rod, reel and line doesn't induce fatigue,
I think the honest heft of a short cane rod is in itself highly
pleasurable.

2. More fragile.

Ha ha ha! I have broken WAY more graphite rods than cane. Also, when
I've broken a cane rod, I have always known why (put a bit too much
shoulder to a fish; caught the tip on a branch at the moment of netting,
etc.). I have never had a cane rod snap for no apparent reason, requiring
subsequent guesswork ("well, it must have had a ding in it"...), which
happens all the time with graphite. I will admit though that for those
given to breaking rods, the lack of lifetime warranties is a draw-back
with cane.

3. Requires more care.

Little more; in the case of impregnated rods, *very* little more.
Essentially wiping the rod down and not storing it wet.

4. More expensive.

Most finely hand-crafted things are. Still, you can get well-made,
well-appointed new rods from several makers for under $800. With a little
effort, you can find very good used cane rods for much less (though this
is admittedly harder in the shorter lengths).

Some people are into antique or "traditional" sporting equipment, like
wood tennis rackets. That's cool, but I'm not. I don't believe that
bamboo rods have some mystical power. Wayno will probably claim I don't
have a soul. I'd agree. I don't, if that's the test.

That's OK: rods don't have souls either. On the other hand, many cane
rods do have soul; no graphite rods do. Maybe that's the thing: fishermen
without soul (note, NOT without souls) should rightly fish rods without
soul. ;)

Come to think of it, tennis rackets have gone through nearly the same
evolution as fly rods. Wood - steel - fiberglass - graphite -
titanium composites, with lots of dead-end offshoots along the way, like
magnesium and ceramics. The difference between flyfishing and tennis (or
at least one difference) is that performance is not only measurable, but
unavoidably obvious. If the best tennis player in the world (Roger
Federer at the moment) went onto Wimbledon Centre Court with a wood
racket, against a challenger with a modern racket, he'd probably get his
ass kicked.

Among the many things fly fishing isn't, it isn't tennis. Since when is
fly fishing competitive? Since when is winning the goal? I think folks
interested in "kicking ass" while fly fishing--interested in casting
distance for its own sake, or in large numbers of fish caught--are missing
the point of the sport, trying to make it into something it isn't. To me,
the goal of fly fishing is fulfillment, not efficiency. "High
performance" rods, reels and lines leave me cold. 'Course, maybe some
folks are truly fulfilled by higher strength-to-weight ratios, by sailing
80-foot casts over the heads of a dozen trout to get to the one on the
other shore, by putting the brakes on an 8-inch brookie using a drag with
"train-stopping power." If so, more power to them, I suppose.

Back to the subject -- saving the environment -- bamboo eventually turns
into the same thing as graphite; i.e., carbon. With graphite you merely
skip a number of chemical reactions and save a lot of time. :-)

Yeah? Old cane in my compost pile will feed me a damn sight sooner....
g

JR

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