"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:17:51 -0500, "bearsbuddy"
wrote:

Unlike Charlie, I have found my studded Simms to be quite useful. They
are
less than desirable on large, dry bedrock granite surfaces, but I find
that
their ability to grip the snot slick surfaces underwater in several
streams,
I fish, very beneficial. I would not attempt to fish any of our waters
without felts at least.

Well, you do get around a lot more than I do, so I'll defer to your
advice -
but I won't wear *my* studded boots up there unless I want a thrill ride
into
the "swimming hole" on Upper again. g It may also be that the aluminum
studs
on the Simms grip better on hard rock than the carbide ones on the
Patagonias.
--
Charlie...

Actually, my Simm's are diamond studded, so that might explain the
difficulties that you are having. :~^)

I didn't like that studs, at first, but once I got used to them I find them
to be my go to boots. Generally, if I am on bedrock granite, I walk
flat-footed to get a better grip. You are right about the danger, but I
have found that, if I am careful, I do just fine in studs.

Mark

Conan the Librarian wrote:


Well, since I've only got two of the above problems (smoking and
weight), I guess I should be OK. :-) What I had read about it was
that
the bottom gets very slippery from the ... er ... "organic material"
from the cows in Cade's Cove. Supposedly that also contributes to
making for some of the best hatches in that area.

At least two different sources said that it is not advisable to
fish
it alone. Or if you do, let someone know when you plan to go and
when
you should be expected to return.

I think that is standard procedure/caution for hikers to either have a
buddy or leave a note/plan (and do not deviate from it). I never fished
it alone. It's just that I had little problems getting there and
fishing it. Like a whole bunch of streams, boulders, organic materials,
stone croppings, etc can make wading an adventure and Abrahms has all
of those and more. I think it's a nice place to fish but would not make
it my destination choice if I was going to Smokys and only had a small
amount of time.


Excellent. I'll definitely be in that area.

Speaking of caution, the biggest *crash* i ever had in the smokys
occurred on Deep, not too far up the road from the campground is a pool
that comes out of a large rock cropping surrounded by rock "shelves".
It makes access to the head of the pool relatively easy. I got cocky
playing a fish and was bantering with my partners when I stood up on
the slick rocks and my feet went out from under me. Sometimes it's not
the remoteness that makes things dangerous.

Heh, I'm familiar with eastern style bbq (lived in Tennessee for
twenty years). Y'all got that ugly yaller sauce, don't you?

Ah low country mustard/vinegar BBQ sauce. I make my own thank you very
much with a little *extra* spice.

I'll just print this one out and save it for future reference.

Sure wish I could join ya, but June for me means Michigan and the hex
hatch g. I'll probably do the Little River in late March when I take
the spouse to see her family near chattanooga.

Sounds like you have the makings of a great trip.

"Cyli" wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 16:27:14 -0500, "snakefiddler"
wrote:

(heavily snipped)

meal, and be sure to try some livermush-

Do I even want to know? Well, I suppose. What _is_ livermush?

well, since you asked.......

http://www.chefrick.com/html/recipe19.html

however, the best part seems to be missing from the recipe
(uh, that would be the head meat...........)

snake- yum


Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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Conan the Librarian wrote:
I've been thinking about just
buying some of the Chotas with felt and removeable studs.

great boots, you will be happy with them

I need more gear anyhow. :-)

i likes how you think

Wayne Knight wrote:
Conan the Librarian wrote:

I've been thinking about just
buying some of the Chotas with felt and removeable studs.

great boots, you will be happy with them

I can see how wading with the studs inserted would be fine, and how
fishing from a boat with the studs removed would be fine, but how is
wading on rocky streambeds without the studs? It appears that a good
part of the surface area of the sole is taken up by those little
plastic(?) cleat bases:

http://www.theflyshop.com/72.htm

That can't be good.

JR wrote:
I can see how wading with the studs inserted would be fine, and how
fishing from a boat with the studs removed would be fine, but how is
wading on rocky streambeds without the studs? It appears that a good

part of the surface area of the sole is taken up by those little
plastic(?) cleat bases:

http://www.theflyshop.com/72.htm

That can't be good.

I've not had a problem, the level of felt is higher than the base of
the screw sets so the surface area is almost all felt against the
rocks.

Wayne Knight wrote:
JR wrote:
..... It appears that a good
part of the surface area of the sole is taken up by those little
plastic(?) cleat bases:

http://www.theflyshop.com/72.htm

That can't be good.

I've not had a problem, the level of felt is higher than the base of
the screw sets so the surface area is almost all felt against the
rocks.

Gotcha. One reason I'm interested in them is that they look better for
hiking (or at least walking some distance) than my Simms Freestones. No
problems with the screws coming loose after doing a bit of hiking?

JR
(all too familiar with having a screw loose..... )

JR wrote:

Gotcha. One reason I'm interested in them is that they look better
for
hiking (or at least walking some distance) than my Simms Freestones.
No
problems with the screws coming loose after doing a bit of hiking?

I've only used the screws once, on the San Juan (marked improvement in
my stability) and as you probably know, there ain't much hiking there.

I did not like my Freestones, Simms even replaced them once but I never
felt like i ever broke them in after three years. The Chotas are much
more comfortable. I bought a pair of the simms L2 Aquastealth with the
screw in studs from Wally last year for winter fishing and those are
comfortable boots too, but I don't remember if they have a felt model.

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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JR wrote:

Gotcha. One reason I'm interested in them is that they look better
for
hiking (or at least walking some distance) than my Simms Freestones.
No
problems with the screws coming loose after doing a bit of hiking?

I've only used the screws once, on the San Juan (marked improvement in
my stability) and as you probably know, there ain't much hiking there.

I did not like my Freestones, Simms even replaced them once but I never
felt like i ever broke them in after three years. The Chotas are much
more comfortable. I bought a pair of the simms L2 Aquastealth with the
screw in studs from Wally last year for winter fishing and those are
comfortable boots too, but I don't remember if they have a felt model.

another cheer for the chotas, from here. no problems without the studs,
and very good ankle support.

yfitons
wayno

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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I did not like my Freestones, Simms even replaced them once but I never
felt like i ever broke them in after three years. The Chotas are much
more comfortable. I bought a pair of the simms L2 Aquastealth with the
screw in studs from Wally last year for winter fishing and those are
comfortable boots too, but I don't remember if they have a felt model.


It must have something to do with differences between peoples' feet, cause I
have been wearing my Freestones since before you and I hit Upper Creek
together that day, and I have never had any problems hikin' or fishin' with
them. As a matter of fact, I never take them off. My hardwood floor have
had to be replaced several times, but the studs have held up just fine. Of
course, livin' in a 10 x10 work trailer, it's cheaper to re-floor than it is
to buy a new pair of Simm's.

Mark