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"rw" wrote in message
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Frank Church wrote:
rw wrote in news:43a2449c$0$28489
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Just when you thought it couldn't get more ****ed up:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi security forces caught the most wanted man
in the country last year, but released him because they didn't know who
he was, the Iraqi deputy minister of interior said Thursday.

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....and this is the best you can do after what took place yesterday in
Iraq? What a ****ing putz!

Frank Sr.

What happened yesterday? Did they find the WMDs?


Don't you just love the smell of Fascists squirming in the morning?

Dave

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"Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I don't believe that for a minute.....and I'm not so sure you do either.
Europe is an interesting place, I'm told.......I haven't been there since
I was a very small child. But I've read a bit of the history of the
place. Ignoring.....or silencing.....critics has a long and fascinating
history there. The results are hardly a secret.

Were one to take issue merely with plain unpleasantness, quite apart from
the rest of the list you presented, one would not have sufficient time to
earn one´s daily bread, let alone go fishing.

I manage to do both. I have time left for a number of other pursuits.

Ah well. One occasionally feels obliged to give voice on something or
other,

Much like a critic.

only afterwards does one realise how absolutely pointless it all was, and
has a beer.

Well, I'd be happy to join you in a beer or two, but I'm not much of a fan
of pointlessness......I rarely indulge.

Wolfgang

Critics, especially the less scrupulous types, often cause a very great deal
of damage.

Let us assume Mr.Snedeker is correct. Just how has that changed anything
here, or anywhere else?

There are ways and means of pursuing political ends, or of combating
political adversaries. As far as I am aware, posting to ROFF is not
generally accepted as one of the most effective.

Anyway, I should keep out of politics here. It seems there is so much
confusion in America that nobody knows what the hell is going on. But you
still vote for the scum that scam you.

TL
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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Critics, especially the less scrupulous types, often cause a very great
deal of damage.

To be sure......but few of them rank among the great monsters of history.

Let us assume Mr.Snedeker is correct.

A more than generous assumption......the boy IS crazy, after all.

Just how has that changed anything here, or anywhere else?

Hard to say. It's not exactly a controlled experiment. If we had a
parallel universe without Snedeker.....or one in which he wasn't a foaming
at the mouth lunatic....we could do a comparison. As things stand, we
simply have to accept that he does exist, he is crazy, and all we can do
about it is provide occasional reminders for the benefit of those who are
prone to be oblivious to a piano falling on their heads. Meanwhile, if he
in turn manages to penetrate his own personal fog sufficiently to identify
other twisted human simulacra, how can we count that as anything other than
a blessing.....albeit an infinitely mysterious one?

There are ways and means of pursuing political ends, or of combating
political adversaries. As far as I am aware, posting to ROFF is not
generally accepted as one of the most effective.

True, ROFF is hardly in the vanguard of worldwide political consciousness.
We work with what we have. Columbia St. Mary's Hospital of Ozaukee County
is not among the leading surgical centers of the world. Should all the
doctors there give up their practice?

Anyway, I should keep out of politics here.

That's a purely personal decision. I disagree but......

It seems there is so much confusion in America that nobody knows what the
hell is going on.

See, there's a perfectly valid (if somewhat overstated, for effect)
observation.

But you still vote for the scum that scam you.

It's inherent in the nature of democracy. In a monarchy they BREED the scum
that scam them. Obviously, there are many other ways to elevate scum. The
trick is to explore avenues for keeping them in check regardless of their
origins or the mechanisms by which they rise. It's a sisyphean task.

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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It's inherent in the nature of democracy. In a monarchy they BREED the
scum that scam them. Obviously, there are many other ways to elevate
scum. The trick is to explore avenues for keeping them in check
regardless of their origins or the mechanisms by which they rise. It's a
sisyphean task.

Wolfgang


I don´t think it is inherent in democracy, or indeed in any other form of
society, but in human nature, and as such, inevitable.

Only certain types of people rise to positions of power "on their own
merits" as it were, many inherit them, or find themselves otherwise
bestowed. However this may be, once in such a position, the person involved
invariably misuses that power in some way. Many misuse it continually in
order to rise to ever more power in the first place, and often merely in
order to extend and or continue wielding that power. Indeed, it appears that
some lose sight of all else. Apparently such power, even in relatively petty
doses, is like a drug.

Wealth automatically bestows power, and I have never yet met a wealthy
person who did not misuse it in some way. I like to think that I would not
misuse such power or wealth, were I to possess it, but who really knows?
Certainly, one of the reasons I never made any money was because I was
apparently somewhat overburdened with scruples and pricinples, and never had
much interest in any case. Enough was always enough for me.

However al this may be, one of the main causes of nastiness on this board is
political "discussion", and related subjects. So I will do my very best to
stay out of it in future.

TL
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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP
It's inherent in the nature of democracy. In a monarchy they BREED the
scum that scam them. Obviously, there are many other ways to elevate
scum. The trick is to explore avenues for keeping them in check
regardless of their origins or the mechanisms by which they rise. It's a
sisyphean task.

Wolfgang


I don´t think it is inherent in democracy, or indeed in any other form of
society, but in human nature, and as such, inevitable.

Well, if it's human nature then it is inherent in any and every human
institution. Effect follows cause. But it's easy enough to demonstrate
that there are benign institutions. Unfortunately, political institutions
are not among them. Political institutions are never benign; they rest on
the principle of power brokerage.

Only certain types of people rise to positions of power "on their own
merits" as it were, many inherit them, or find themselves otherwise
bestowed. However this may be, once in such a position, the person
involved invariably misuses that power in some way. Many misuse it
continually in order to rise to ever more power in the first place, and
often merely in order to extend and or continue wielding that power.
Indeed, it appears that some lose sight of all else. Apparently such
power, even in relatively petty doses, is like a drug.

Nothing to argue with there. As a matter of fact, all of it.....and
especially the first phrase......appears to be a direct contravention of
what you said above.

Wealth automatically bestows power, and I have never yet met a wealthy
person who did not misuse it in some way. I like to think that I would not
misuse such power or wealth, were I to possess it, but who really knows?

Well, if history and your own observations are any guide....... :)

Certainly, one of the reasons I never made any money was because I was
apparently somewhat overburdened with scruples and pricinples, and never
had much interest in any case. Enough was always enough for me.

However al this may be, one of the main causes of nastiness on this board
is political "discussion", and related subjects.

We just disagree on this. What passes for political discussion here (in
fact, it generally bears little resemblance to discussion and it's mainly
poorly expressed advocacy for one hack, or group of hacks, versus
another.....personalities, not politics) is only a secondary proximate
cause. The main and ultimate cause is simply nasty people. They show no
signs of reticence or difficulty in finding other topics upon which to
express themselves.

So I will do my very best to stay out of it in future.

Good luck. :)

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP
However al this may be, one of the main causes of nastiness on this board
is political "discussion", and related subjects.

We just disagree on this. What passes for political discussion here (in
fact, it generally bears little resemblance to discussion and it's mainly
poorly expressed advocacy for one hack, or group of hacks, versus
another.....personalities, not politics) is only a secondary proximate
cause. The main and ultimate cause is simply nasty people. They show no
signs of reticence or difficulty in finding other topics upon which to
express themselves.

So I will do my very best to stay out of it in future.

Good luck. :)

Wolfgang

We don´t disagree, I used the inverted commas advisedly.

TL
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"David Snedeker" wrote in message

The day Americans cannot take on Fascism is the day they have to rip from
my
cold dead hands the knish. Think about it.

I have. The day we call everything that opposes our point of view fascism,
is the day we completely trivialize the word.
Tom

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
My opinions on the political contributions from the extended "Dean Empire"
to right-wing pols and causes is my opinion based on publicly available
listings on the website I cited that you apparently are too lazy to
consult.
You apparently feel you have some special knowledge of Dean's business
connections but don't care to share it in your defense of this noble
creature. Isn't that special.

you are a humorous nitwit. Now, what you pronounced as fact, with proof and
all are "my opinions"?? I don't have a freaking insight whatsover into
RDeans business dealings, nor do I feel it of any real interest to me. As
for "defending" him, let's look at my record here over the past decade or
so......I rarely go on these rants, but do, when I feel a line has been
crossed into public slander. IIRC, I have likewise "defended" wayno,
LaCourse, Forty and, post-mortem, Gherke. Kind of a diverse group, wouldn't
you say?

Tom

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
Don't you just love the smell of Fascists squirming in the morning?



thank you for illustrating my point trivialization of fascism.

Tom

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message

we had a Fascist Revolution in the US and the Fascists won. And
I will never accept that.


trivialization example number two. I am hardly enamored of the excesses of
the administration, but we still can change it via the ballot
boxes......should the Dems actually find an original idea or two. I am
really starting to despair on that last one, which saddens me.

Tom