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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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...you are gonna believe what you want to believe and to hell with
the truth.

:)

Wolfgang

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On 22 Dec 2005 07:17:52 -0800, "rb608"
wrote:

If I were to concede the equivalence, I would wonder why those who were
so righteous for Clinton's impeachment are silent now.

If you impeach Bush because of this, you must do the same for many
members of Congress, including Pelosi and Reed. They both knew and
approved it several years ago.

Clinton, however, *was* guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice.
You know that, I know that, the entire country knows that, but I am
glad that he was not convicted by the Senate because our republic does
not deserve to live through something like that. As much as I would
have liked to flush him down the toilet, I am glad things turned out
the way it did. I doubt, however, that most liberals would feel that
much compassion for Bush or *any* Republican under the same
conditions. You folks *hate* Bush. He could find Ben Laden, end the
war, end Muslim terrorism, cut taxes, feed all the children, balance
the budget, get rid of the deficit and give more tax relief, and you
folks would *still* crucify him every chance you got. Your hate for
him is monumental and will be remembered for a long time by
historians. This hate is so prevalent that it could be the reason
your side has lost the elections since 1996.

Dave

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Dave LaCourse wrote in
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On 22 Dec 2005 15:07:18 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

They managed to get him, though, over a blowjob in
a round room.

Ah, you are unsuccessfully trying to rewrite history, Scott. He was
impeached for perjury (lying under oath) and obstruction of justice.
He was *disbarred* because he was guilty of both offenses. The
Senate, however, did the right thing. A conviction of a sitting
president would do more harm than it would good, IMO.

Dave





And the perjury and obstruction of justice were over .... a blowjob.

Bush has been lying to the American people and the world since he said
"I'm a uniter, not a divider". He hasn't committed perjury, because he
hasn't been under oath. He may have obstructed justice, depending on
what he's said in various investigations.

At the moment, he's ineffectual. He couldn't keep that pig Stevens from
slipping ANWR drilling into an unrelated bill, so the Defense
appropriation is still hanging. He couldn't bring through the Patriot
Act renewal-- he couldn't even get the House to rubberstamp the 6-month
face-saving extension that was arrived at. He couldn't make the Times
quash an unfavorable story. He can't stop Republican leaders from
calling for hearings on his abuse of the Constitution. He couldn't kill
Social Security. He's spinning out of control, and if we can get him out
of office, maybe something could get done.




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Scott
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On 22 Dec 2005 07:54:27 -0800, "
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Scott, I don't wanna get into a ****ing contest on whether or not it
is legal. All I am saying is that it is improbable that NSA would
waste its assets on the likes of you and me, or John Q. Public. It
ain't gonna happen. Al Qaeda, yes. You, no.


Scott Seidman wrote:
That's why this latest move of the Admin to bypass the Court might just be
their downfall. I think this is gonna get a whole lot worse for them, and I
doubt it will get better before these guys are out of office.

I doubt it, Scott: the right wing will convince the public that
no God-fearing law-abiding US citizen has anything to fear
from this and it is only the bad guys who are being monitored.

What, are you a one trick pony, Greg? See your 22 Dec 2005
06:29:36gmt post.

See the above posts.

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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:41:16 GMT, rw
wrote:

I'm wondering why the Bush administration didn't get FISA warrants.
After all, they can begin surveillance immediately and get the warrants
retroactively within three days. The timeliness argument just doesn't
wash. The only conclusion that's sensible to me is that they didn't
request the warrants because they knew, or at least they strongly
suspected, that FISA wouldn't grant them. For example, they may have
been spying on journalists, which would raise very serious and
troublesome 1st Amendment issues.
'
Well, I am sure if you call Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed and other Dem
Congressmen they could tell you, because *they* knew all the time.
He's the Commander and Chief, just like Carter and Clinton before him.

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Dave LaCourse wrote in
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Joe, as we are now finding out, Plame was little more than a pencil
pusher and not a deep cover agent, and it wasn't the WH that leaked
it. Hell, *everybody* knew it because her husband introduced her as
working for the CIA.



For Christ's sake, it was, among others, the VP's Chief of Staff, and the
Pres' guy is still in the crosshairs. I'd call that the WH.

Next, the leak compromised ongoing activities. I believe Plame was fairly
deep cover. Even if she wasn't, the tactics of the CIA were still outed in
dangerous ways. Being a dip's wife (I mean diplomat-- I wasn't referring
to the First Lady) is not necessarily a safe position to be in these days.

Last, let's see the reference to where her husband outed her. I simply
won't believe it till I see it. Reputable pubs only, please, not Rush's
web site.

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Scott
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Dave LaCourse wrote in
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I doubt, however, that most liberals would feel that
much compassion for Bush or *any* Republican under the same
conditions.


No-- if Bush lied under oath about getting a blowjob, I wouldn't want him
convicted. In fact, I'd send the man a cigar.

If he lied to Congress about the intelligence he was holding so he could
start a war, he should go to prison. If he usurped power not granted
to him by the Constitution he swore to protect and uphold, he should be
booted from office.

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Scott
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On 22 Dec 2005 07:25:01 -0800, wrote:

It's about moving this country towards fascism (if perhaps not arriving
there), its about giving the corporations and rich individuals all the
control they think they are entitled to after pouring billions into
this movement

Are you Snedeker in drag?

Your tin hat is really leaky. And watch out for those black
helocopters. They just flew over my house and are headed your way.

Do you know anything about comint? Do you know anything about elint?
No? I thought so. Get a better hat, kid.

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message

All I am saying is that it is improbable that NSA would
waste its assets on the likes of you and me, or John Q. Public. It
ain't gonna happen. Al Qaeda, yes. You, no.




Al Qaeda today, and who tomorrow, Dave? That is the whole point.
Tom
p.s. in response to Scott's point, in ways this goes way beyond
Nixon when you put the whole picture together....

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message

Well, I am sure if you call Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed and other Dem
Congressmen they could tell you, because *they* knew all the time.
He's the Commander and Chief, just like Carter and Clinton before him.

well, they were told something, of that we are sure, Dave. Of course, they
could not ask many followup questions, nor discuss with staff or outside
legal experts what they had been told. Some oversight, huh?
Tom