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On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
daytripper wrote: On 28 Jul 2006 15:02:37 -0700, wrote: Conan The Librarian wrote: wrote: The way I see this progressing is that animal rights interest groups will have steadily increasing public support and will become more and more organized. They will go after specific bans and various 'minor' successes then build on that. You may feel that way, but none of the links you posted support that claim. If you have any evidence that efforts like those you cited have been garnering "steadily increasing public support", please do post them. http://www.peta.org/feat/annualreview05/numbers.asp Can't be more than a few hundred people in that picture... And a LOT of them look like they had bacon for breakfast*. :) /daytripper (another forecast shot to hell ;-) Wolfgang *often. |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
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As I have already documented, starting with the state parks. http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 Your pal, TBone Guilt replaced the creel. A quote from one of the articles YOU cited. (Although I find this pretty surprising) "In fact, while many Americans might be ambivalent about hunting, fishing remains very popular. In a Harris poll of Americans which asked people to rank their favorite leisure activities, fishing came in 3rd tied with spending time with family and kids, and behind only reading and watching television." As long as this is the case, I don't think we need to be concerned about banning sport fishing. Willi |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Willi wrote: wrote: As I have already documented, starting with the state parks. http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 Your pal, TBone Guilt replaced the creel. A quote from one of the articles YOU cited. (Although I find this pretty surprising) "In fact, while many Americans might be ambivalent about hunting, fishing remains very popular. In a Harris poll of Americans which asked people to rank their favorite leisure activities, fishing came in 3rd tied with spending time with family and kids, and behind only reading and watching television." As long as this is the case, I don't think we need to be concerned about banning sport fishing. [sig snipped] Willi, You should know better. Fishing will not be banned, only golfing for fish will be banned. Fishing for sound biological management reasons will never be banned. This, very specifically, will be the major concession point between pure sportsfishers and animal rights groups, which do force us to examine our ethical stance with wilderness at all times. This affects our group of anglers [flyfishing] more directly than any other group specifically which is why we should discuss it here and probably take it a bit more seriously. If our tactics include simply calling these folks 'loons', we've got a long row to hoe. I point to the Norwegian document, as tired as it is, often, because, I believe it is the most defensable stance and a good, fair, one most folks would probably agree with. Your pal, Halfordian Golfer |
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On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
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On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
On 29 Jul 2006 08:34:46 -0700, wrote:
I point to the Norwegian document, as tired as it is, often, because, I believe it is the most defensable stance and a good, fair, one most folks would probably agree with. Just out of curiosity, what changes in fishing can you point to that are a direct result of the Norwegian document? -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Dave LaCourse wrote: On 29 Jul 2006 08:34:46 -0700, wrote: You should know better. Fishing will not be banned, only golfing for fish will be banned. Fishing for sound biological management reasons will never be banned. Oh, now I get it. Sound biological reasons are like those they imposed on the Rapid River a few years ago. With a dropping native brook trout population because of meat collectors, Maine fisheries management put a C and R policy on the Rapid. In a few short years the brook trout population rebounded and catching five pound (and larger!) brook trout is now the norm. I no longer have to go to Labrador to catch big brook trout - C&R has made it possible in the Rapid (but only in the spring and early fall when the river temp is sufficiently low). Catch and Kill almost killed the Rapid. Dave, who is heading back to Labrador in August for Landlocks and brout trut. A (2) over 18", mandatory kill, would have worked as well, would it not? There is no sound biological reason, ever, for pure catch and release. If the fishery can not withstand the mortality incident to catch and release, it must be closed to fishing. The distinction may be subtle but it is a vitally important one. Your pal, TBone Guilt replaced the creel |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Charlie Choc wrote: On 29 Jul 2006 08:34:46 -0700, wrote: I point to the Norwegian document, as tired as it is, often, because, I believe it is the most defensable stance and a good, fair, one most folks would probably agree with. Just out of curiosity, what changes in fishing can you point to that are a direct result of the Norwegian document? -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com None and that's the point. Traditional fishing has been going on feeding the animals and people of this unbelievable planet for the 10's of thousands of years. It has been redfined in a few places in the past 40.The Norwegians clearly understand fishing and fisheries management. But mostly they speak of 'respect for life" which is impossible when we exploit, stress, maim and kill an animal solely for our own pleasure, is this not true Choc? From the report: "Summary A form of angling where fish, once caught, are then released, known as "catch and release", is prevalent in a number of countries. The authorities are now considering whether the concept should be introduced as a way of limiting catches in some Norwegian rivers. The "catch and release" concept is a new principle in natural resource management compared with the catch regulation measures adopted previously. "Catch and release" completely separates fishing from its original purpose, which was to procure food. In the view of the Council, it is important to support and develop attitudes that safeguard natural resources and manage them in a sustainable manner. This also entails a respect for life. There is little doubt that fish experience pain and stress in connection with fishing, regardless of whether they are killed or released. The difference is that a fish that is caught and released is subjected to this stress merely to satisfy people's need for recreation. The suffering and damage inflicted on the fish in this connection is disregarded. The Council does not find it ethically acceptable to use live animals in this way. If the fishing stock is so low that it will not tolerate harvesting the alternative in the view of the Council is not to fish. Against this background, the Council advises against the introduction of "catch and release" as a resource management measure in Norway." TBone Guilt replaced the creel |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
On 30 Jul 2006 07:28:48 -0700, wrote:
Charlie Choc wrote: On 29 Jul 2006 08:34:46 -0700, wrote: I point to the Norwegian document, as tired as it is, often, because, I believe it is the most defensable stance and a good, fair, one most folks would probably agree with. Just out of curiosity, what changes in fishing can you point to that are a direct result of the Norwegian document? -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com None and that's the point. Traditional fishing has been going on feeding the animals and people of this unbelievable planet for the 10's of thousands of years. It has been redfined in a few places in the past 40.The Norwegians clearly understand fishing and fisheries management. Norway does not prohibit catch and release fishing. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
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