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Scott Seidman March 21st, 2007 03:11 PM

Hauling.
 
wrote in news:1174485570.120646.154820
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A shorter fly-line of the same weight is more dense, it has greater
mass for its volume. This means it travels faster and further.



What about the taper??


--
Scott
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[email protected] March 21st, 2007 03:12 PM

Hauling.
 
On Mar 21, 4:11 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
wrote in news:1174485570.120646.154820
@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

A shorter fly-line of the same weight is more dense, it has greater
mass for its volume. This means it travels faster and further.


What about the taper??

--
Scott
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What about it?

TL
MC


Scott Seidman March 21st, 2007 03:15 PM

Hauling.
 
wrote in news:1174489963.302317.222830
@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

On Mar 21, 4:11 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
wrote in news:1174485570.120646.154820
@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

A shorter fly-line of the same weight is more dense, it has greater
mass for its volume. This means it travels faster and further.


What about the taper??

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply


What about it?

TL
MC



Hacking lines up will change the taper. The taper is an impedance-matching
effort which should be important to cast and presentation.

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Scott
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Ken Fortenberry March 21st, 2007 03:22 PM

Hauling.
 
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
You posted this (emphasis yours) for the guy seeking information:

"MOST
LINES WHICH ARE RATED AT THE SAME
AFTM# AS YOUR ROD WILL NOT MATCH AT ALL!!!!"

Which is, of course, "hooey" or if hooey offends you, rubbish.

You are free to post rubbish here but I am free to call it rubbish
for the benefit of especially obvious newbies like the person who
posted the original query who might not know better than to believe
your silly proclamations.


You are an extremely silly man, a pathological liar, an ignorant
bigot, and an arsehole to boot. Anybody who has read a few of your
posts knows that, so there is little chance of anybody with any sense
taking you seriously, even if you were telling the truth.

The more you post, the more people learn to detest you. It beats me
why anybody would want to make such a complete prat of himself, and be
disliked by everybody, but please feel free. Regardless of your
antics, I will not communicate with you again by any means whatsoever.


LOL !! What a hoot. Not ten minutes ago you posted the following:

"There is no point at all in personal insults and attacks, which are
unfortunately extremely common here, either."

What happened ? Did someone break into your home and post to roff
while you were out of the room ? ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] March 21st, 2007 03:24 PM

Hauling.
 
On Mar 21, 4:12 pm, wrote:
On Mar 21, 4:11 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:

wrote in news:1174485570.120646.154820
@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:


A shorter fly-line of the same weight is more dense, it has greater
mass for its volume. This means it travels faster and further.


What about the taper??


--
Scott
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What about it?

TL
MC


For the purposes of this discussion the taper is irrelevant. It is
there to allow smooth power transition to the leader, and turn the fly
over.

If you use 30 feet of #6 line from the front of a standard DT, then it
has the standard taper for that line. You can also turn this around,
and put the tapered end on the reel. This will give you a line similar
to a "bug taper", which will turn over very stiff leaders and heavy
flies, as the power transition to the leader is then much more abrupt.

As the mass of a line decreases when rolling out, ( and assuming a
correctly powered cast) the kinetic energy in the line remains the
same, this results in the tapered part of the line having more energy
per unit of mass, and forces the line to turn over faster. If you do
not use a taper, the energy transfer is more abrupt, and the line may
even "kick back" unless a very steeply tapered leader is used with a
long thick butt section.

This is irrelevant to the principle under discussion.

TL
MC


[email protected] March 21st, 2007 03:26 PM

Hauling.
 
On Mar 21, 4:15 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
wrote in news:1174489963.302317.222830
@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:



On Mar 21, 4:11 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
wrote in news:1174485570.120646.154820
@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:


A shorter fly-line of the same weight is more dense, it has greater
mass for its volume. This means it travels faster and further.


What about the taper??


--
Scott
Reverse name to reply


What about it?


TL
MC


Hacking lines up will change the taper. The taper is an impedance-matching
effort which should be important to cast and presentation.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply


Cutting a line in half, or cutting thirty feet off one end of a DT has
no effect on the taper.

TL
MC


Wayne Knight March 21st, 2007 03:30 PM

Hauling.
 
On Mar 21, 10:56 am, wrote:

That is not my problem, itīs yours.


That you typed what you just typed indicates otherwise.

Take care




[email protected] March 21st, 2007 03:34 PM

Hauling.
 
On Mar 21, 4:30 pm, "Wayne Knight" wrote:
On Mar 21, 10:56 am, wrote:

That is not my problem, itīs yours.


That you typed what you just typed indicates otherwise.

Take care


Oh I must admit to being exasperated when people disagree with obvious
facts, but it really is not my problem.

You too...............

TL
MC


rb608 March 21st, 2007 03:44 PM

Hauling.
 
On Mar 21, 9:59 am, wrote:
Or telling me that the rod action affects what size fly you can cast,
when it has absolutely nothing to do with it?


On this, I must respectfully disagree. If I may use one of Sir
Isaac's favorite equations, F=ma, it's clear that fast action rods and
slow action rods have different capacities for the acceleration
component of that equation, and thus have a mathematical difference in
the force they can generate with a constant mass, or a different mass
with a constant force. That difference can manifest itself in either
the fly characteristics or distance cast; but there *will* be a non-
zero difference.


Joe F.


Ken Fortenberry March 21st, 2007 04:08 PM

Hauling.
 
wrote:
"Wayne Knight" wrote:
That you typed what you just typed indicates otherwise.


Oh I must admit to being exasperated when people disagree with obvious
facts, but it really is not my problem.


Your reaction to disagreement is much more than mere exasperation,
it's violent and psychotic. I'm afraid you're quite mad. And that
obvious fact should be taken into consideration when you post your
silly proclamations here, that is, your unpublished "articles" are
the works of a raving lunatic and should be read as such. This is
of little concern to those of us who actually know something about
fly fishing, we're free to laugh off your theories or argue about
them with you as individual taste and decorum dictate, but it is
important, I think, to warn beginners about the madman in the house.

--
Ken Fortenberry


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