i hate baseball..
 

In article ,
lid says...
Did you ever live on campus ? I kinda doubt it, you strike me as the
mail order type. What so-called "university" do you call alma mater
or was it merely a PO box ?
Ken Fortenberry

Uof MOO C, Kenny. Your intuition failed you once again.

Yes, I lived on and off campus there.

If you try very hard you just might comprehend that some of us are not
interested in watching athletes play games in stadia that raise the cost of
student fees.

But, but, but, it's so very important that University sports exist,
what else would elitist athlete wannabes have to crow about?
- Ken

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"slenon" wrote in message om...

If you substitute words here and there, you alter the meaning and intent of
my original statement.

Oh ... OK ... then let's just decide what you were trying to say
with your original statement (which is what I did in the first place,
but nevermind that):

But I'm damned if I know how to
open the eyes of people willing to spend a week's net income to watch a
bunch of gladiators and consume overpriced food and beer.

I dunno ... when I read that I get the feeling that stev considers
himself the arbiter of what is considered acceptable regarding how
folks spend their spare time and/or money. So when you are in charge,
what will "the masses" be allowed to indulge in?

Oh wait, here's a couple of hints:

IMNSHO, spectator athletics have assumed far too large a role in our
society.

[snip]

I'm sure you will recognize that I am not a proponent or fan of any
spectator game. Nor do I gamble at casinos, bet on the outcome of amateur
or professional games.

[munch]

As to enlightenment of the masses, it amazes me to see people spend hard
earned dollars to watch games being played by people with limited or no
loyalty to the community and fans that pay their exhorbiant salaries.

[chomp]

I do dine out from time to time but not as often or as expensively as most.
I find that I can serve up a dinner of equal quality as I would get at most
restaurants. I'd rather put what little discretionary cash I have into
good ingredients for meals, good materials for flies, and good equipment for
my personal sporting pleasure. I don't need the pseudo-loyalty to a team of
gladiators and don't enjoy the mob scene in stadia. I managed to graduate
university without ever attending a collegiate game.

I'm sure you must be very proud. You know, I was wrong about you
when I wrote that you appeared to be condescending. Nope, you are
also self-aggrandizing, sanctimonious, pretentious and
holier-than-thou.

I managed to graduate college and I still attended some games. Not
because I enjoyed a mob scene, or had a loyalty to my team (hell, I
graduated from Vanderbilt), but because that was how I chose to spend
some of my afternoons or evenings. Spectator sports can be fun, and
you don't have to be some sort of idiot who needs "enlightenment" if
you enjoy them.

I can cook like a m*th*rf*ck*r (ask SWMBO), but I still enjoy a
dinner out. I sometimes like to gamble, but don't spend any more than
I'm prepared to lose. I spend money on woodworking tools and
flyfishing gear, because those are active hobbies that I like to
pursue.

And guess what? That doesn't make me any better or worse than
someone who spends their discretionary cash on going to wrestling
matches.

BTW, what do you consider a Dead concert to be? Is that a mob
scene, or something else?


Chuck Vance

i hate baseball..
 

"
But, but, but, it's so very important that University sports exist, what
else would elitist athlete wannabes have to crow about?
- Ken

I'm lack any first hand information about elitist athlete wannabees. I'll
be happy to ask some, however.

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Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

i hate baseball..
 

"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
om...

I'm sure you must be very proud. You know, I was wrong about you
when I wrote that you appeared to be condescending. Nope, you are
also self-aggrandizing, sanctimonious, pretentious and
holier-than-thou.

I managed to graduate college and I still attended some games. Not
because I enjoyed a mob scene, or had a loyalty to my team (hell, I
graduated from Vanderbilt), but because that was how I chose to spend
some of my afternoons or evenings. Spectator sports can be fun, and
you don't have to be some sort of idiot who needs "enlightenment" if
you enjoy them.

I can cook like a m*th*rf*ck*r (ask SWMBO), but I still enjoy a
dinner out. I sometimes like to gamble, but don't spend any more than
I'm prepared to lose. I spend money on woodworking tools and
flyfishing gear, because those are active hobbies that I like to
pursue.

And guess what? That doesn't make me any better or worse than
someone who spends their discretionary cash on going to wrestling
matches.

BTW, what do you consider a Dead concert to be? Is that a mob
scene, or something else?


Chuck Vance

Hee, hee, hee.

Wanna know what funner than ripping into a sanctimonious prick with
delusions of adequacy? Huh? Ya wanna know? It's knowing that he ain't
gonna learn a goddamned thing from it......and you get to do it all over
again......and again......and again......

Enjoy!

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee. :)

i hate baseball..
 

Chuck Vance:
I dunno ... when I read that I get the feeling that stev considers
himself the arbiter of what is considered acceptable regarding how
folks spend their spare time and/or money. So when you are in charge,
what will "the masses" be allowed to indulge in?

Actually, Chuck, I have very little concern about how most people spend
their money. I have a lot of concerns about how people are compensated for
the work they do vs games others play. Since I'm unlikely to be appointed
or elected to any position where I would be able to change that, I don't see
any need to go into conjecture.

I managed to graduate college and I still attended some games. Not
because I enjoyed a mob scene, or had a loyalty to my team (hell, I
graduated from Vanderbilt), but because that was how I chose to spend
some of my afternoons or evenings. Spectator sports can be fun, and
you don't have to be some sort of idiot who needs "enlightenment" if you
enjoy them.

Big if. I don't, never have, never will. I'd rather participate than watch
if it is something I enjoy. And I have no desire to help pay for any
franchise's arena or playing field through involuntary taxation. The "fun"
in that escapes me. We'll discuss "enlightenment of the masses" after I
find a way to have you see the Autoway adds that currently air in the Tampa
Bay region.

I can cook like a m*th*rf*ck*r (ask SWMBO), but I still enjoy a
dinner out. I sometimes like to gamble, but don't spend any more than
I'm prepared to lose. I spend money on woodworking tools and
flyfishing gear, because those are active hobbies that I like to pursue.

Good! Then we can likely sit down over a very good meal when if we meet. I
also enjoy dining out but reality is what it is. Whether or not you gamble
is entirely up to you, as is the money you choose to spend on hobbies.

And guess what? That doesn't make me any better or worse than
someone who spends their discretionary cash on going to wrestling matches.

OK.

BTW, what do you consider a Dead concert to be? Is that a mob scene, or
something else?

Decidedly a mob scene, particularly in the later years. And I hated that
aspect of it. Took a lot of effort to enter those big venues.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

i hate baseball..
 

Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee. :)

I'll be happy to mail you a new delete key.

I'll even throw in the recipe for napalm that you keep asking about. Touchy
stuff, though. Keep it out of the kitchen.



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Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

i hate baseball..
 

"slenon" wrote in message
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Wolfgang
hee, hee, hee. :)

I'll be happy to mail you a new delete key.

I'll even throw in the recipe for napalm that you keep asking about.
Touchy
stuff, though. Keep it out of the kitchen.

Hee, hee, hee.

Wanna know what's funner than ripping into a sanctimonious prick with
delusions of adequacy again.....and again....and again....and again? Huh?
Ya wanna know? It's knowing for an absolute certainty that each and every
time he WILL give in to his grandiose dreams of wit and literacy and thus
once again expose himself as a hapless fool.

Hee, hee, hee.

Wolfgang
watch. :)

i hate baseball..
 

In article ,
lid says...
"
But, but, but, it's so very important that University sports exist, what
else would elitist athlete wannabes have to crow about?
- Ken

I'm lack any first hand information about elitist athlete wannabees. I'll
be happy to ask some, however.

In case you're confused, I was agreeing with you.
- Ken

i hate baseball..
 

"slenon" wrote in message ...

Actually, Chuck, I have very little concern about how most people spend
their money.

Ah, good ... so you've changed your position.

Spectator sports can be fun, and
you don't have to be some sort of idiot who needs "enlightenment" if you
enjoy them.

Big if. I don't, never have, never will.

I think we all know that. My point was that before you changed
your position, you said that folks who enjoyed the "gladiator sports"
needed to have their eyes opened to the mistake of their ways.

I'd rather participate than watch
if it is something I enjoy. And I have no desire to help pay for any
franchise's arena or playing field through involuntary taxation.

Nor do I have any desire to help pay for Dubya to prove his manhood
in Iraq, but that's a whole different kettle of worms.

The "fun"
in that escapes me. We'll discuss "enlightenment of the masses" after I
find a way to have you see the Autoway adds that currently air in the Tampa
Bay region.

Let's see ... a quick Google search shows that they are/were using
Dan Marino in ads to help sell their cars. Is that what you're
referring to?

I can cook like a m*th*rf*ck*r (ask SWMBO), but I still enjoy a
dinner out. I sometimes like to gamble, but don't spend any more than
I'm prepared to lose. I spend money on woodworking tools and
flyfishing gear, because those are active hobbies that I like to pursue.

Good! Then we can likely sit down over a very good meal when if we meet. I
also enjoy dining out but reality is what it is. Whether or not you gamble
is entirely up to you, as is the money you choose to spend on hobbies.

How very generous of you.

BTW, what do you consider a Dead concert to be? Is that a mob scene, or
something else?

Decidedly a mob scene, particularly in the later years. And I hated that
aspect of it. Took a lot of effort to enter those big venues.

Actually, that's something we agree on. I saw them (for free) in
October 1972 on the lawn at Vanderbilt, and that was possibly the
greatest event/concert I've ever been a part of. They played for 4+
hours, and it was the most unlikely mix of people (from bikers to
family groups) that I've ever seen in one place. But it felt like a
gathering of extended family (no doubt the chemical enhancement had
some effect on that). The Dead were at the top of their game (if
you'll pardon the sports metaphor), and seemed like they genuinely
didn't want to stop playing.

Contrast that with seeing them at Manor Downs outside of Austin in
the early 80's. It was a bit of a madhouse (mob scene, if you will),
with confrontations between the police and crowds, etc. They seemed
to be going through the motions, and the set was a fairly bland (and
short) mix of their "greatest hits". Right then and there I promised
myself I would no longer make an attempt to see any of their shows.

But, I digress.


Chuck Vance

i hate baseball..
 

In case you're confused, I was agreeing with you.
- Ken

I'm sometimes confused, but they tell me that side effect will vanish with
time.

Glad that there are at least two of us of a similar mind. Thanks for
calling in.

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Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm