Newbie leader question
 

On 14 Nov, 17:11, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:43:57 -0500, Dave LaCourse



wrote:
On 14 Nov 2007 15:29:20 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

The next time you store them on your reel, you'll find the same problem.
You'll need to find some way to deal with it on the stream. Simple
stretching, or passing them through your fingers with the intention of
heating them up a little with friction really does the trick.

If you straighten them with hot water and then coil them for storage
in your vest, you will still have memory. If you can not get up
enough heat with your fingers, there are leader straighteners on the
market. The trouble with them, however, is that you can not control
the heat. Too much heat and you damage the leader. It's best to use
your fingers, and if you do not *feel* the heat, you are not applying
enough pressure with your fingers. When you placed the leaders in hot
water, what do you think straightened them? The heat. There is no
hot water on a stream, so a leader straightener or your fingers are
the only solution.

Where are you fishing using 7x, and what for, Dave?

Dave

You know, Dave, I've been rethinking this whole problem. On Orvis
Super Strong leaders, it is not the tippet end that is difficult to
get rid of the memory, but the butt end. The first two or three feet
of the butt on *any* leader I have used is always were the memory is
the worse. The thicker the material, the more memory. The tippet end
easily straightens out with my hands/fingers. If you are having
trouble with memory in the tippet section, Dave, I think there is
something wrong with the leaders. There is *some* memory, but not
enough that you can't straighten it with your hands. You are either
pulling too fast or not applying enough pressure with your fingers.
Remember that once straightened your problems are not over. As soon
as you coil up that leader and put it in your vest, or wrap in up on
your reel, the next time you go to use it you will find the memory has
returned.

Switch to Orvis Super Strong if you can not straighten the leader with
your fingers or a leader straightener. There is no hot water on a
stream, and nowhere to plug in a hair dryer (which works just as well
- just tried it). Also, there is little, *if any*, memory in my
tippet when pulled from the spool. I unwind a piece, tie it on, and
return to fishing, no straightening needed.

Dave

The memory is the same regardless of material diameter, it merely has
more effect when thicker material is coiled.

MC

Newbie leader question
 

Mike wrote:

All nylon has memory, it is an intrinsic property of thermoplastics.
One can not remove it, one can merely program the nylon memory to
another shape. The melting point of nylon is between 190°C-350°C
374°F-663°F so you can boil it for hours without having any adverse
affect on it.

LOL !! You sound like Cliff Clavin.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Newbie leader question
 

mdk77 wrote:
wrote:

I'd suggest exchanging them, or if that isn't possible, and you wish to
use them, I'd suggest checking them out _carefully_ (break test, etc.)
before relying on them - a break-off at the line end would be a bad
thing for more than just you - lengths of mono, etc., in the water is
not good. These sound like they had already been exposed to (high) heat,
UV, or something. Did they sit in a hot vehicle for any length of time?

I thought about that. You're probably right, I should return them.
...

Yeah, that was your best bet. You started off with coiled, trashed
leaders, followed some bad advice and put them in very hot water,
so what you have now are straight, trashed leaders. I wouldn't
trust them.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Newbie leader question
 

On 14 Nov, 18:20, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Mike wrote:

All nylon has memory, it is an intrinsic property of thermoplastics.
One can not remove it, one can merely program the nylon memory to
another shape. The melting point of nylon is between 190°C-350°C
374°F-663°F so you can boil it for hours without having any adverse
affect on it.

LOL !! You sound like Cliff Clavin.

--
Ken Fortenberry

You sound like an asshole.

MC

Newbie leader question
 

On Nov 14, 9:19 am, Mike wrote:
On 14 Nov, 17:07, BJ Conner wrote:





On Nov 10, 7:46 am, mdk77 wrote:

I've been fishing RIO Knotless Tapered Leaders in 7.5' 5x size, all
season with good results. Recently I purchased the same RIO Knotless
Tapered Leaders but in 9' 7x size. These leaders were a nightmare to
fish. They had a real bad "memory" problem and coiled up no matter
what I did to get them straight. Why would these have the problem
when the 7.6 5x were fine?

Is there anything I can do to get these leaders to straighten out and
"lose" the memory?

Is there a better brand/model of tapered leaders that I should be
buying instead of Rio?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. I was really
surprised by this.

Take them back where you bought them. If they won't straighten out
with the normal proceedures ( that doesn't include hot water) they
have probably been stored improperly. That would be in excessive heat
and/or cold and cycled. Nylon will absorb water, straightning them
with hot water will weaken them and shorten their life.
If you want to use them put some tension on them and hang them up in
the house for a week. When they are straight make some radial cuts in
the edge of a paper plate and wind them around the plate. The larger
radius will keep them straight but they don't fit in you pocket as
well.

More pure bull****.

MC- Hide quoted text -

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No materials classes with that matchbook cover engineering degree I
take it.
Just store your leader in an ANSI 45.2 level III facility and it will
stay in good condition.

Newbie leader question
 

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:14:23 -0800, Mike
wrote:

He already told you that the advice I gave him worked.

Yeah, but now he has the problem of boiling it at stream side. Of
course he could walk around with a very long electrical cord and a
hair dryer. Works just as well. *Or* he can learn to do it the way
all of us do it - by drawing it through his fingers. He was mistaken
when he said it was the tippet section. That didn't make sense to me.
It is the butt section. Pull slower and harder and that will
straighten out. Once you straighten the leader out, when you coil it
up to put in your vest or wind it on your reel, the memory will return
with, ta da, more coils. There is no hot water streamside.

Newbie leader question
 

"rw" wrote


I primarily use Rio 7.5' leaders, but I usually buy them in 3x size and
then tie on smaller tippet (typically 5x). I also carry a couple of Rio 9'
leaders (and extra tippet) for those occasions when I need a longer
leader, and I've never noticed a memory problem with them.

BTW, some people in ROFF think that 7x is NEVER useful. I disagree. I use
it when fishing the Trico hatch at Silver Creek (and pretty much only
then). I've landed sizable fish on 7x, and lost few, too.



I spent the month of Sept at Silver Creek and found myself using 7X
often.

At the time I thought " I should tell rw since I've argued with him about
this"

..... so, I stand corrected, rw

... however I also add that the Creek
was lower and, therefore, more 'technical' than I have ever seen it in the
25 ++ years I've fished it.

And I'll also add that hatches were very sparse and I was mainly fishing to
sporadic rising individual fish not pods. One thing that normally makes
Silver Creek fish relatively easy is the heavy hatches pod them up and, in
pods, they are hard to scare and easier to fool.

As for landing trout on 7X, I landed quite a few honestly over 20" without
problem

Newbie leader question
 

On 14 Nov, 18:31, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:14:23 -0800, Mike
wrote:

He already told you that the advice I gave him worked.

Yeah, but now he has the problem of boiling it at stream side. Of
course he could walk around with a very long electrical cord and a
hair dryer. Works just as well. *Or* he can learn to do it the way
all of us do it - by drawing it through his fingers. He was mistaken
when he said it was the tippet section. That didn't make sense to me.
It is the butt section. Pull slower and harder and that will
straighten out. Once you straighten the leader out, when you coil it
up to put in your vest or wind it on your reel, the memory will return
with, ta da, more coils. There is no hot water streamside.

You don´t have to boil them dumbo, you just need to warm them up to
reprogram the memory. It is quite immaterial how you warm them up, but
it is easiest to do with hot water. You can not harm the nylon by so
doing, and it is quick and easy.

The amount of coiling in stored nylon is a function of the amount of
time they are in this state, and whether they are subjected to much
more than "normal" heat.

If you straighten them in hot water, and then place them back in the
packets, and keep them in a cool place, they will have much less
tendency to coil.

Stretching nylon has a more deleterious effect than warming it up, and
will not in any case remove coiling.

MC

Newbie leader question
 

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:35:54 -0000, mdk77
wrote:

However,
the hot water thing worked great.

Dave, *any* heat is going to work. But, as soon as you wind up the
leader to put it in your vest, or on your reel, the memory will
return. If you can not straighten the memory out of the butt section
of *any* leader using your hands and fingers, I would return it to the
dealer and let him see what is wrong. If he also can not straighten
it with his hands, then you have a case on returning it.

Really, if boiling it is the only way to remove the kinks, the
material is not any good. I have never been stymied by leader memory
in all the years I have fished (starting in 1945/thereabouts).
*Never*.

Dave

Newbie leader question
 

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:19:29 -0800, Mike
wrote:

The memory is the same regardless of material diameter, it merely has
more effect when thicker material is coiled.

No ****, Sherlock.