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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:28:34 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Peter Charles" wrote in message
.. .


Ya, I'm just throwing this stuff around as there were a few absolute
statements floating about in this thread on balance and such, that are
simply not true once you push the envelope a bit and try to use
mismatched rods and reels. So everyone has a tipping point where the
mismatch goes from "it doesn't matter" to "it matters". Get a bunch
of anglers together, such as we have on this thread, and the tipping
point varies from person to person. That ain't exactly helpful to the
one posing the question, especially when the answers are couched in
absolute terms. The responders, of course, are excluding obvious bad
mismatches when they present their absolute responses. Unfortunately,
this exclusion and their tipping point isn't exactly evident to the
neophyte, nor their rational for the comment. I understand that their
comment isn't meant to be absolute, so do you and the rest of the
regulars, but will the newcomer asking the question realize this?

As a JLH owner, I know this reel is very light and from a weight
perspective, a #7 could be used on rods as low as a 3 wt. before the
weight became an issue. However, there is the matter of the amount of
backing needed to fill it when using smaller diameter lines and the
esthetics of using a big reel on a small rod (if that is important to
our newcomer - we haven't ascertained this).

By throwing out an obviously extreme example, I hoped it would
generate some useful explanations for the prior absolute comments --
it apparently has.

I count five uses of the word "absolute" in the above. I just went back and
reviewed the entire thread....or at least such as appears on my server at
the time I write this, 4:25 CST, excluding the above quoted material, and
found these absolute statements:

"Simple answer to a simple question -- it'll be suitable for a 9' - 6
wt. no problem"
"Damn, I blew it again."

"...this combination would have at least
doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an
automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter."

..."but then you
knew that already and was jus pulling my leg."

If you can point me to some others, I'd appreciate it.

Wolfgang



Well, you're doing so well on your own, you don't really need my help,
but in the spirit of helping things along, how's this . . .

"Beyond providing a rough, and relative, guide to line holding
capacity (bigger numbers mean larger size), the weight designations on
reels mean absolutely nothing. A lot of people will prate about
balancing a reel and rod, but this too is nonsense. This is easy to
demonstrate. Choose any rod, reel, and line combination. Practice
casting for a few minutes with say, ten feet of line out, paying close
attention to how it feels. Then, do the same with thirty feet of line
out. If the idiocy of notions about balance is not apparent at the
end of half an hour, take up oil painting......it is much more
amenable sagacious pronouncements based on specious "reasoning"."

I just couldn't help thinking about an SPL 0 wt. and Tibor Gulfstream
after reading this passage. :)

Peter

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Nah, just finished a book about mosquitoes a couple of days ago and am
currently plodding through one inspired by the travels of John Mandeville.
Don't know who Babel is......little help?

Wolfgang

Which book about mosquitoes??

Tim Lysyk
timlysyk at telus dot net

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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If you can point me to some others, I'd appreciate it.

Well, you're doing so well on your own,

Thank you.

you don't really need my help,

Well yeah, that was sort of implicit, don't you think?

but in the spirit of helping things along, how's this . . .

"Beyond providing a rough, and relative, guide to line holding
capacity (bigger numbers mean larger size), the weight designations on
reels mean absolutely nothing. A lot of people will prate about
balancing a reel and rod, but this too is nonsense. This is easy to
demonstrate. Choose any rod, reel, and line combination. Practice
casting for a few minutes with say, ten feet of line out, paying close
attention to how it feels. Then, do the same with thirty feet of line
out. If the idiocy of notions about balance is not apparent at the
end of half an hour, take up oil painting......it is much more
amenable sagacious pronouncements based on specious "reasoning"."

Not very good. "...weight designation on reels mean absoutely nothing"
probably LOOKS like an absolute.....to anyone unfamiliar with English, but
the qualifier precedes it in the same sentence. "...but this too is
nonsense" IS actually pretty absolute. I was sure you'd be able to ferret
that out. Ah well.

At any rate, I'm disappointed. It's not so much that you got caught with
your pants down.....it's really a question of dropping them deliberately and
then feigning surprise when someone notices. The point originally made by
myself and Mike was that there are no absolutes with regard to the question
Dan asked. Rather than accepting that people with experience and the
ability to turn it into sound advice that differs from your own philosophy,
you chose to treat it as a challenge and made up some unfounded bull****
about absolutism.....rather ironic, that..... and are now willing to
continue the farce rather than deal with the situation as you've made it.
It wouldn't bother me coming from Snedeker, Barnard, Findley, Choc, Le,
Janik, or any of a few others, but I know that you know better.

Ah well.

I just couldn't help thinking about an SPL 0 wt. and Tibor Gulfstream
after reading this passage. :)

It really had nothing at all to do with that passage. It was simply an
opportunity to wax loquacious. Good job.

Wolfgang

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:34:17 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


Don't know who Babel is......little help?


Isaac Babel, a Russian writer who disappeared in the Stalin
purges.

'The song drifted like smoke. We rode toward the sunset,
its boiling rivers pouring over the embroidered napkins of
the peasants' fields. The silence turned rosy. The earth
lay like a cat's back, covered with a thick, gleaming coat
of grain. The mud hamlet of Kletokov crouched on a little
hill. Beyond the pass, the vision of deadly, craggly Brody
awaited us. But in Klekotov a loud shot exploded in our
faces. Two Polish soldiers peered ffrom behind a hut.
Their horses were tied to a post. A light enemy battery came
riding up the hill. Bullets unfurled like string along the road.
"Run for it !" Afonka yelled.
And we fled.'

The Road to Brody, Red Cavalry stories

Very interesting. I'll have to take a look at Babel........might be a while
though, I got a LONG list.

SO, doesn't that sound like "the sun is settin' like molasses
in the sky ?" :-)

I does indeed.......but that ain't Babel :)

"Black Velvet"--Alannah Myles

Wolfgang

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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:46:47 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Peter Charles" wrote in message
.. .

If you can point me to some others, I'd appreciate it.

Well, you're doing so well on your own,

Thank you.

you don't really need my help,

Well yeah, that was sort of implicit, don't you think?

but in the spirit of helping things along, how's this . . .

"Beyond providing a rough, and relative, guide to line holding
capacity (bigger numbers mean larger size), the weight designations on
reels mean absolutely nothing. A lot of people will prate about
balancing a reel and rod, but this too is nonsense. This is easy to
demonstrate. Choose any rod, reel, and line combination. Practice
casting for a few minutes with say, ten feet of line out, paying close
attention to how it feels. Then, do the same with thirty feet of line
out. If the idiocy of notions about balance is not apparent at the
end of half an hour, take up oil painting......it is much more
amenable sagacious pronouncements based on specious "reasoning"."

Not very good. "...weight designation on reels mean absoutely nothing"
probably LOOKS like an absolute.....to anyone unfamiliar with English, but
the qualifier precedes it in the same sentence. "...but this too is
nonsense" IS actually pretty absolute. I was sure you'd be able to ferret
that out. Ah well.

At any rate, I'm disappointed. It's not so much that you got caught with
your pants down.....it's really a question of dropping them deliberately and
then feigning surprise when someone notices. The point originally made by
myself and Mike was that there are no absolutes with regard to the question
Dan asked. Rather than accepting that people with experience and the
ability to turn it into sound advice that differs from your own philosophy,
you chose to treat it as a challenge and made up some unfounded bull****
about absolutism.....rather ironic, that..... and are now willing to
continue the farce rather than deal with the situation as you've made it.
It wouldn't bother me coming from Snedeker, Barnard, Findley, Choc, Le,
Janik, or any of a few others, but I know that you know better.


Come, come now, "Choose any rod, reel, and line combination." That
was just too delicious a setup to let it slip by without comment -- ya
gotta admit that one. Just one little admission -- it won't hurt that
much -- I promise.



Ah well.

I just couldn't help thinking about an SPL 0 wt. and Tibor Gulfstream
after reading this passage. :)

It really had nothing at all to do with that passage. It was simply an
opportunity to wax loquacious. Good job.

Wolfgang

Ta

Peter

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"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Nah, just finished a book about mosquitoes a couple of days ago and am
currently plodding through one inspired by the travels of John
Mandeville.
Don't know who Babel is......little help?

Wolfgang

Which book about mosquitoes??

Bit of an abbreviation....it's actually about mosquitoes as disease vectors.
"Mosquito; a Natural History of Our Most Persistent and Deadly Foe", Andrew
Spielman and Michael D'Antonio, Faber and Faber, 2001.

The book is definitely directed at the lay reader.....I'm guessing that
epidemiologists and entomologists the world over will find it lacking.
:)

Wolfgang
pretty good read, though.

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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Come, come now, "Choose any rod, reel, and line combination." That
was just too delicious a setup to let it slip by without comment -- ya
gotta admit that one. Just one little admission -- it won't hurt that
much -- I promise.

If you saw that much then you doubtless saw both what preceded it and what
followed. This is getting very sad. For the first time ever (I believe),
EOT for me.

Wolfgang

Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
Bit of an abbreviation....it's actually about mosquitoes as disease
vectors.
"Mosquito; a Natural History of Our Most Persistent and Deadly Foe",
Andrew
Spielman and Michael D'Antonio, Faber and Faber, 2001.

The book is definitely directed at the lay reader.....I'm guessing that
epidemiologists and entomologists the world over will find it lacking.
:)

Wolfgang
pretty good read, though.

I doubt they would find it lacking. Spielman does pretty good work, and is
an interesting speaker. His material is always worth paying attention to.

If have an interest in diseases, look up "Who Gave Pinta to the Santa Maria"
by Robert Desowitz. Excellent book, and on sale at Amazon for about 11$

Tim Lysyk
timlysyk at telus dot net

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"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
Bit of an abbreviation....it's actually about mosquitoes as disease
vectors.
"Mosquito; a Natural History of Our Most Persistent and Deadly Foe",
Andrew
Spielman and Michael D'Antonio, Faber and Faber, 2001.

The book is definitely directed at the lay reader.....I'm guessing that
epidemiologists and entomologists the world over will find it lacking.
:)

Wolfgang
pretty good read, though.

I doubt they would find it lacking. Spielman does pretty good work, and is
an interesting speaker. His material is always worth paying attention to.

If have an interest in diseases, look up "Who Gave Pinta to the Santa
Maria"
by Robert Desowitz. Excellent book, and on sale at Amazon for about 11$

According to the sticker on the inside of the back cover, I got my copy at
Border's for $3.99. I'll always know I liked this book. I habitually mark
passages I want to remember (and never do) by folding down a corner of the
page on which it appears....this one's got no less than 37 dog-eared pages.

Ever read Zinsser's "Rats, Lice, and History"? If not, you should.
Originally published back in the early thirties, if memory serves. Dated,
but delightful. One of my favorite books of all time.

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang wrote:

"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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Come, come now, "Choose any rod, reel, and line combination." That
was just too delicious a setup to let it slip by without comment -- ya
gotta admit that one. Just one little admission -- it won't hurt that
much -- I promise.


If you saw that much then you doubtless saw both what preceded it and what
followed. This is getting very sad. For the first time ever (I believe),
EOT for me.


Why, overwhelmed by your own conceit?

Willi