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For my good friend, Ken

Tom Littleton wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
You've hit at the core of the Insane McCain problem. McCain is
one of those insane jingoes from the '60's who believes we could
have, should have, won the Vietnam War if only the politicians
had given the military free rein to do so. He is exactly the
kind of dangerous nutcase who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near
the White House.

There are lots of folks who survived Vietnam who are not whackjobs,
Kerry, Hagel, Webb, Cleland are or were Senate colleagues of McCain's
who were in Vietnam and none of them is a dangerous war monger like
McCain. Some have suggested that this is because the aforementioned
colleagues actually fought in the war while McCain was held captive
in the Hanoi Hilton. Whatever the reason McCain is nuts and unfit to
lead a Boy Scout troop much less the military of the United States.

as a liberal-leaning type, this sort of hyperbole makes me cringe. Way to
go, Ken, you've actually made me start to feel sorry for McCain. One cannot
decry over-the-top bull**** about Obama and spout the above. People in
general, and I suspect McCain personally, are far more subtle, more nuanced
than that description. Enough rhetoric like the above and I'll throw my
hands up and vote for Barr.....

Well, I kinda doubt my Insane McCain rhetoric will be given
a lot of coverage in the mainstream media. You have to admit
though that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing
over and over and expecting a different outcome, and that is a
concise summary of Insane McCain's foreign policy.

--
Ken Fortenberry

For my good friend, Ken

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

You've hit at the core of the Insane McCain problem. McCain is
one of those insane jingoes from the '60's who believes we could
have, should have, won the Vietnam War if only the politicians
had given the military free rein to do so. He is exactly the
kind of dangerous nutcase who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near
the White House.

There are lots of folks who survived Vietnam who are not whackjobs,
Kerry, Hagel, Webb, Cleland are or were Senate colleagues of McCain's
who were in Vietnam and none of them is a dangerous war monger like
McCain. Some have suggested that this is because the aforementioned
colleagues actually fought in the war while McCain was held captive
in the Hanoi Hilton. Whatever the reason McCain is nuts and unfit to
lead a Boy Scout troop much less the military of the United States.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken,
I happen to be a great admirer of Jim Webb and totally agree that he is
certainly no wackjob and definately not a war monger. He is a man of
principal and firm sense of honor. However, you probably should read some of
his writings the conduct of theViet Nam War and his opinion of some of
the things he believes we could have should have done to win that conflict
before you use him as an illustration on this particular point.

Bob Weinberger

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OT For my good friend, Ken

On 13-Jun-2008, salmobytes wrote:

isn't true. But even if it was, the outcome would still have been
the same in the long run. Vietnam is rapidly abandoning communism now,
because they've discovered it just doesn't work. So we could have
arrived at the same destination without the war, if it hadn't been for
Johnson, Nixon, John Foster Dulles and the John Birch Society. And brain
dead redneck morons, of which we still have an abundance.

And now, 40 years later, the country is still split down the middle
because of this mess.

Amen to the above
I was probably near you at the Pentagon
I also was a draft card burning pinko

**** Robert McNamara - I hope he's dead

Who woulda thunk it?
To be in a mess like Iraq 40 yrs later
People make money on wars
Its called war profiteering and they are responsible fot killing all kinds
of innocent people and our own American boys - for what?

J'accuse Bush Cheney and their ass hole buddy McCain of being war profiteers
and war criminals

If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least vote the
current ****bags out -

Gas already $4.00 a gallon - food price wars - a never ending morass in
Afghanistan and Iraq and
Serious US educational problems - the cracks are growing larger
What choice is there?\
My border collie would be better.
VBote for Boss Tweed for Prez

Hopefully the next administration will hang the ****ers just like they did
to Saddam and then we will be rid of some more of these reprobate swine -
but I think not!

Yet
I really care not to think about the political manure we are all wading in
esp on a fly fishing ng

Which is my reason for the OT post

Fred

OT For my good friend, Ken

For my good friend, Ken

In article , Dave LaCourse
writes
Dave, who still thinks PC is bull****. d;o)

A lot of it certainly /IS/

To ask for a Black Coffee is non PC...????
--
Bill Grey

For my good friend, Ken

Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
You've hit at the core of the Insane McCain problem. McCain is
one of those insane jingoes from the '60's who believes we could
have, should have, won the Vietnam War if only the politicians
had given the military free rein to do so. He is exactly the
kind of dangerous nutcase who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near
the White House.

There are lots of folks who survived Vietnam who are not whackjobs,
Kerry, Hagel, Webb, Cleland are or were Senate colleagues of McCain's
who were in Vietnam and none of them is a dangerous war monger like
McCain. Some have suggested that this is because the aforementioned
colleagues actually fought in the war while McCain was held captive
in the Hanoi Hilton. Whatever the reason McCain is nuts and unfit to
lead a Boy Scout troop much less the military of the United States.

Ken,
I happen to be a great admirer of Jim Webb and totally agree that he is
certainly no wackjob and definately not a war monger. He is a man of
principal and firm sense of honor. However, you probably should read some of
his writings the conduct of theViet Nam War and his opinion of some of
the things he believes we could have should have done to win that conflict
before you use him as an illustration on this particular point.

My point is no matter how misguided Webb may have been (or still is)
about Vietnam the experience didn't turn him into a doddering, senile,
old warmonger as apparently happened to Insane McCain.

--
Ken Fortenberry

For my good friend, Ken

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:05:10 -0600, salmobytes wrote:

salmobytes wrote:

I'll see if I can come up with something better for
the both of us (to fight about). Political Correctness
is just too lame

...what about draft card burning?
I did that once. On the steps of the Pentagon,
with McNamara watching from a second story window.
I saw the jackass there, looking out from a window.

...if you look closely at the following 40 year old black
and white photo of the Pentagon steps, October 1967,
you'll see a white-helmeted US Marshal &^%$sucker mother ^%$%#er
about to wack me with a night stick. I'm the guy in the middle
of that mess, wearing the white and black checked jacket.

Took four of those pricks to get the cuffs on me.
The now defunct Washington Star ran two large-format tight-torso shots
of two crowd figures the next day. One shot was the now famous
photo of the guy (from the NY jug band the Fugs) stuffing flowers
down the rifle barrel. The other photo, like Dr Jeckel and Mr Hyde,
was of me smacking the teeth out of a US Marshal, on the Pentagon
steps.

I couldn't find that photo online. But I did find this one:
http://72.167.122.147/Robopages/Sixt...n/Thats_me.jpg

I had an old Honeywell Pentax with threaded, screw-in 105mm lense that
day. I took 3-4 rolls of film of the rifle-barrel flower-child seen alone.

Maybe had a dozen 35mm rolls all together. I had a good shot of
the US Marshals putting the cuffs on Norman Mailer.

But the Pentagon stole the film. When I got out of jail (Occaquan) two
days later I got my wallet and camera back. But film and what little
cash I had was long gone. Those were the good old days--in a way. Real
bad rednecks-gone-wild days in a lot of others. 50,000 or more good
young men lost their lives for nothing, back then--because of stupid,
brain damaged rednecks like you, rednecks who like to say:
"we could have won that war."

Which isn't true. But even if it was, the outcome would still have been
the same in the long run. Vietnam is rapidly abandoning communism now,
because they've discovered it just doesn't work. So we could have
arrived at the same destination without the war, if it hadn't been for
Johnson, Nixon, John Foster Dulles and the John Birch Society. And brain
dead redneck morons, of which we still have an abundance.

And now, 40 years later, the country is still split down the middle
because of this mess.

Well, now, that explains a lot...what it doesn't explain is why you
seemingly think US involvement in "Vietnam"/SE Asia began with
Johnson...how did and do feel about JFK? And didya ever notice that
"How many kids did you kill today?" sounds about the same with either
"LBJ" or "JFK," but doesn't quite go with "RMN"...?

HTH,
R

OT For my good friend, Ken

On 14-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:

snip
If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least vote
the current ****bags out -

Fred, you ignorant slut (and I mean that in the most affectionate way. .
.)
Do you think as you type, or do you find you kinda fade in and out? ;-)
--
TL,
Tim

Tim:

FYI - I can move my arms think, speak and amazingly even play my fiddle as
I type
In the current political climate It did not take a lot of thinking or
feeling with what to do w Bush and Cheney

Just some plain common sense!
Does the federal government care more for Americans ? or for global world
policy and $$$$ in their own pockets?

Fred

OT For my good friend, Ken

For my good friend, Ken

W. D. Grey typed:
In article , Dave LaCourse
writes
Dave, who still thinks PC is bull****. d;o)

A lot of it certainly /IS/

To ask for a Black Coffee is non PC...????

Yes. Especially is you ask for black coffee with brown sugar.
--
TL,
Tim
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