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"bruiser" wrote in message
...
I'll have lots of Stimulators in various sizes, and lots of Stonefly
nymphs
also. A 6 weight might be handy also.

bruce h
Amazed indian joe asks--then why did we only have one working fly on upper
rock creek???
I skip lots of roff days--did I hear you got married--is she coming to the
western clave--if she doesn't run upstream perhaps and old indian could fish
with her.

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rw wrote:
The FIRST thing you should do when you see a deer -- the first deer --
is to slow down to something approaching zero mph.

Sheesh!

By god, RW, that's just what I did. I slowed to a stop when I saw the first
deer (while driving my Accord). Didn't see any more after him but it was kind
of hard to see out of the windshield, which was shattered. The biggest buck
I've ever seen ran into the left front of the car, across the hood, into the
windshield and over the top. He was on a dead run right out of the ditch.
Scary as hell, especially since my precious daughter was in the passenger seat.
I was driving too fast, between 65-70 on I 90 at night. I knew better but,
after being away from home for so long, I was in a hurry to get home. I learned
a valuable lesson.

Snoop






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By god, RW, that's just what I did. I slowed to a stop when
I saw the first
deer (while driving my Accord). Didn't see any more after him
but it was kind
of hard to see out of the windshield, which was shattered. The
biggest buck
I've ever seen ran into the left front of the car, across the
hood, into the
windshield and over the top. He was on a dead run right out of
the ditch.
Scary as hell, especially since my precious daughter was in the
passenger seat.
I was driving too fast, between 65-70 on I 90 at night. I
knew better but,
after being away from home for so long, I was in a hurry to get
home. I learned
a valuable lesson.
Snoop

That reminded me of driving south out of West Yellowstone. It
was night and I came to a nice straight stretch so I put the
pedal to the metal on my VW Bus. A buck jumped out of a ditch
and stopped right in the middle of the road. All I could do was
jam on the brakes and pray. As I slid closer the deer walked off
of the road. I stepped on the gas and continued. Just then my
wife appeared from the back where she had been sleeping and I had
a hard time convincing her I didn't dump her on the floor on
purpose.
Ernie

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On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:18:49 GMT, (Greg Pavlov)
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:22:42 -0600, lid wrote:

....I can now drive down
I35 without wincing very often.


Ok, ok, I'll get rid of the (*&^$)!@!
things !

It's just one of my rants. But I really don't believe they work or
all those deer wouldn't have been continuing to browse happily. I
couldn't believe the traffic on one occasion. It was about 4 or 5am
on a weekday. Lots of people must commute from Duluth to
Minneapolis... This would have been at the height of popularity of
the deer warning things. Sometime in the very late 80's to early 90s.
It was somewhat foggy. Deer were visible through the fog all over the
place for about 50 or more miles of road. Visibility was about 3 to 4
hundred feet. And the drivers were all going 75 to 80. Except me.
I'd wondered why the road sides on a lot of that part of I35 tended to
be littered with deer corpses.

BTW, advice I've been given regarding possibility of hitting deer or
moose. If you're sure you're going to hit a deer, stamp on the
accelerator. Theory is that the brake will make the front end of the
vehicle tip down, which is apt to scoop up the deer and put him or her
right through the windshield and possibly into your lap, but speeding
up will knock it off the road, even if it does leave your car somewhat
wrecked. However, for a moose you're supposed to do anything to avoid
it. Go in the ditch, whatever. No reasoning given there. I figure
that it's because you might annoy the moose if you hit it and then
you're in real trouble. Others have figured it might knock it over
onto the top of the vehicle and it'll squash the vehicle and you. On
the rare occasions I drive the Gunflint Trail, I go very very
carefully, pulling off regularly to let any following cars or trucks
pass me.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:18:49 GMT, (Greg Pavlov)
wrote:


BTW, advice I've been given regarding possibility of hitting deer or
moose. If you're sure you're going to hit a deer, stamp on the
accelerator. Theory is that the brake will make the front end of the
vehicle tip down, which is apt to scoop up the deer and put him or her
right through the windshield and possibly into your lap, but speeding
up will knock it off the road, even if it does leave your car somewhat
wrecked. However, for a moose you're supposed to do anything to avoid
it. Go in the ditch, whatever. No reasoning given there. I figure
that it's because you might annoy the moose if you hit it and then
you're in real trouble. Others have figured it might knock it over
onto the top of the vehicle and it'll squash the vehicle and you. On
the rare occasions I drive the Gunflint Trail, I go very very
carefully, pulling off regularly to let any following cars or trucks
pass me.
--


Back in my youth in Central Maine, some friends who were following me home
from Baxter Park hit a moose in their little Japjob and totaled it. They
were OK, as they weren't wearing seat belts and slid down into the footwell
when they hit it and avoided getting crushed by the top coming on on them,
but the poor moose died.

However, at the autoshop next to their crushed car was a big old
Massachusetts Lincoln Continental with the hood dented, the windshield
smashed in, and a horriffic smell coming out of it. The mechanic said that
the Massholes (sorry, Stan) would often come up behind a moose lumbering
along the Golden Road (a logging road in the North Woods) and start to chase
him in their car. This particular guy got the moose moving along at a good
trot, then got too close behind him and accidentally clipped his back feet
out from under him. The car scooped the moose right up under his butt, which
came across the hood and through the windshield, where the moose deposited
about a bushel of moose **** right on the driver's lap before stepping off
the car and ambling off into the woods, apparently unhurt.

I asked the mechanic what he was repairing on the car, he said "I quoted the
driver $200 to replace the windshield, $250 to repair the hood and bumper,
and $1500 to clean out the interior. The owner said he'd do the interior
himself once the windshield and hood was done." The mechanic laughed and
said he was leaving the car out in the sun for a week or two 'waiting for
parts' so the interior would get good and ripe.

--riverman

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:20:35 -0600, lid wrote:

However, for a moose you're supposed to do anything to avoid
it. Go in the ditch, whatever. No reasoning given there. I figure
that it's because you might annoy the moose if you hit it and then
you're in real trouble.


I would guess that it has to do with mass: a full-grown
moose can weigh well over a 1,000 pounds.

I would further guess that it has something to do with elevation......moose
got long legs. It looks to me like unless you're driving something real
tall you're going to take it's legs out from under it, leaving the body
right where it was until it meets the windshield, at which time it will
likely take the top of the car off.

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

I would guess that it has to do with mass: a full-grown
moose can weigh well over a 1,000 pounds.

I would further guess that it has something to do with
elevation......moose
got long legs. It looks to me like unless you're driving something real
tall you're going to take it's legs out from under it, leaving the body
right where it was until it meets the windshield, at which time it will
likely take the top of the car off.

Wolfgang

I have always heard its the elevation. Moose body height roughly equal to
windshield height. Had one jump out over a w-rail barricade and onto a
slick highway once right in front of the RV. Talk about scary- then the
sumbitch slipped and bobbled about on the road. It finally got his legs
under him and got out of the way just a couple of seconds before he would
have been playing smoochy with the windshield.

jh

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Wolfgang wrote:

......moose
got long legs. It looks to me like unless you're driving something real
tall .....

A weapon of moose destruction?

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"JR" wrote in message ...
Wolfgang wrote:

......moose
got long legs. It looks to me like unless you're driving something real
tall .....

A weapon of moose destruction?

Ya know, I've been thinking about this one all day. It has raised some
disturbing questions in my mind about the Texas educational system.

Wolfgang
um.......don't the bush tribe own some land up in maine, too? :(

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"Joe McIntosh" wrote in

Amazed indian joe asks--then why did we only have one working fly on
upper
rock creek???

That's a good question.

I skip lots of roff days--did I hear you got married--is she coming to the
western clave--if she doesn't run upstream perhaps and old indian could
fish
with her

We did get married, but she won't probably be at the clave. She likes the
beaches though, so flats fishings is OK with her! I've told her all about
you Joe. In fact I told her about the "manhattan in a jar" just the other
day.



bruce h