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line choice for beginner
"Allen Epps" schrieb im Newsbeitrag et... Mike, I would have to disagree with this. When I was a US Pacific Northwestern denzion and mostly salmon and steelhead fished, the resident line on my eight weight was a Teeny Nymph (I want to say an 800) although very fast sinking it is certainly possible to do a quick but useful large mend at the begining of the drift. You are certainly correct in saying a mend as such on a traditional floating line to get that last bit of drift is not possible but don't rule it out all together. Allen True, even aerial mends are also a great help sometimes, but most beginners ( I hesitate to say "all", even I have my limits! :)), donīt even know what mending is, never mind being capable of actually doing it! Much less with a WF line at distance. Quoting specific circumstances is useful, and we may all learn something from it, indeed, after a while the specifics are of considerably greater interest than any generalisations, but beginners have no chance here, they donīt even know what you are talking about. If we get into extremely specific discussions about the suitability or otherwise of specific lines under specific circumstances, then this would undoubtedly be most enjoyable, and assuming that this thread does not morph into a discussion of the relative merits of blondes as opposed to redheads, we could go on for months in a similar vein. ( Or perhaps even then! ). Might I propose a simple question to this august body? Beginner or otherwise? If you were only allowed to use one line and one rod for all your fishing, which would these be? Further, independent of what you actually do, which do you consider to be the most versatile? State your preferences, and why. ( I believe tris is referred to as a "straw poll". Donīt worry, we are not electing a president, so you can be truthful). TL MC |
line choice for beginner
"Mike Connor" wrote in message ... ......If you were only allowed to use one line and one rod for all your fishing, which would these be? Further, independent of what you actually do, which do you consider to be the most versatile? State your preferences, and why. I've got a feeling I'm going to be in the minority here. I can cast about as poorly with one rig as another. Give me something between a three and a six weight in just about any length and whatever floating line. I WOULD have some preferences (though not very strong ones) for certain situations, but if it's got to be just one for all the fishing that I do it really doesn't matter much. Wolfgang |
line choice for beginner
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:03:45 +0200, "Mike Connor"
wrote: "George Cleveland" schrieb im Newsbeitrag .. . On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:04:19 +0200, "Mike Connor" wrote: "George Adams" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... *snippage* Things are different here, that is not to say they are bad, just different. This is a free country, just as yours is, but the freedoms and restrictions are different. TL MC When did the currents laws get enacted? g.c. Most after the war. ( the second world war) Some are quite recent. The laws are not really the problem, it is the thinking and the power behind them which is the problem. Greens and others ( although I agree with some of their agenda, I just donīt like extremists of any colour), donīt actually need to be in power, they just need a few key positions, and they can force through whatever they want. Fishery officers have more actual power than elected politicians. They may be fruitcakes, but they are not stupid! :) TL MC I find it terribly sad that kids in Germany can't go fishing. One of my better memories of a trip our high school choir took to Sweden was going fishing with the son of the family I stayed with in Stockholm. Hopefully Swedish kids can still walk down to the Baltic and cast for pike. g.c. |
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In . net rw wrote:
The only disadvantage besides price, as far as I can tell, is that a WF won't roll cast AT LONG DISTANCES as well as a DT. Very little of my fishing involves long-distance roll casting. Furthermore, while a WF doesn't long-distance roll cost as well as a DT, it does roll cast better than a shooting head. FWIW, a *lot* of the lake fishing I find myself doing *does* involve a lot of roll casting at distance, and (to probably nobody's suprise :-) I prefer a DT line. I've got a few WF lines, and use them too, but I find myself needing to make those roll casts out past the length of the head, often as not, and end up feeling hamstrung. For the same reason, I don't get all that excited over shooting heads, though there are times *they* would be of use. :-) The DT lines give me that little edge in flexability, and don't handicap me *too* much in the distance dept. Guess that's why I stick with them. :-) Maybe I'm a bit biased after all these years fishing DT lines, but I think Mike makes some valid points. Todd (remove hook to reply) |
line choice for beginner
As we all know, this ( ROFF) is not a democracy, and nobody is bound by majority decisions. If ninety percent of the contributors think I am a arsehole, this is not necessarily the truth, it is merely a majority decision. Although of course I may indeed be an arsehole anyway. None of you have any real way of knowing. Much the same applies in politics. Although nobody in their right mind would elect me as president of anything at all, and even if they did I would not accept, considering it is nevertheless an interesting intellectual exercise. However this may be, could it possibly be that you are trying to trap me Stephen? Lay on, and the devil take the hindmost. TL MC |
line choice for beginner
"George Cleveland" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... Swedish kids can. So can most others in Europe. Germany is a pretty shocking example of restrictions, for reasons that Wolfgang outlined pretty well. I have nothing germane to add. For most people, wherever they live, things are simply as they are. One does not think about them constantly, and even if one did so, it is not likely that one could do much about it. You only learn to appreciate, or even notice many things, when you no longer have them. If you never had them, then you can not lose them. TL MC |
line choice for beginner
"Greg Pavlov" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:02:11 +0200, "Mike Connor" wrote: What you say is basically correct. A WF line is merely a shooting head with integrated running line, designed for long casting, and using a haul to shoot line. It will cast a lot further than a comparable DT, ( if you can use it!:)). But here we are talking about short range use, ( for beginners to boot!), and in such a case a heavier line loads the rod more easily. That makes sense, but I still don't understand what you meant by the following: This was usually a manufacturers recommendation that the rod would cast a DT#6 or a WF#7. This is because a WF line of the same rating as the DT would be too light to load the rod at short range, ... My apologies, I should have made it clearer. If you want a general purpose fishing line for a #6 rated rod, then you should use a #6 DT. If you want to use this rod for distance casting, then you would be better served with a #7WF, or even a #8 ST. This gets complicated! If you want to cast at close range, then you need a heavier line to load the rod. The manufacturer indicates here that either a DT#6 or a WF#7 should be used. One is for general purpose fishing ( The DT#6) and the other is for distance casting ( The WF#7). If you want to distance cast, then you need a line that loads the rod, but also allows you to cast and shoot without overloading the rod. DT lines are not the best lines for distance casting. The belly is heavy, and thus more difficult to shoot, and every foot of line you have outside the rings adds considerable weight. This can be cast ( as in a roll cast, which does not load the rod to any appreciable extent), or mended, or overhead cast, ( which adds rod load for every foot of line outside the rings), but it is very difficult to shoot any appreciable amount of it. A WF line only has a thirty foot head, the rest is thin running line. It is easier to shoot such running line, but impossible to cast it. The same applies to a shooting head. These are distance casting lines. The crux of this discussion is that beginners simply want to catch fish as quickly as possible. They can not cast any distance, and so a line designed for distance casting ( A WF or shooting head) is more or less useless. They also have other disadvantages, which have already been mentioned here. If they use a heavier WF line, then they will be able to load the rod at relatively close range, but are still unable to gain any distance, as they can not cast very well. They would generally ( and are)better served with a DT . I know that this whole thing appears complex, but really it is not. It is merely a matter of grasping the basic facts. One must also ignore various blurb which one has heard, and only look at the facts. Line properties ( although only the weight is of importance here), and rod properties, ( even though they may be difficult to quantify sensibly), are fixed. Which line one uses on a particular ros is governed by what one wishes to achieve. It is pointless for a beginner to use a WF or an ST, as these are specifically designed for distance. He is unable to cast any distance, therefore, he is better served with a DT, which is also more versatile than either of the other lines. TL MC |
line choice for beginner
"Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... "Mike Connor" wrote in message ... ......If you were only allowed to use one line and one rod for all your fishing, which would these be? Further, independent of what you actually do, which do you consider to be the most versatile? State your preferences, and why. I've got a feeling I'm going to be in the minority here. I can cast about as poorly with one rig as another. Give me something between a three and a six weight in just about any length and whatever floating line. I WOULD have some preferences (though not very strong ones) for certain situations, but if it's got to be just one for all the fishing that I do it really doesn't matter much. Wolfgang Interesting, as long as I can fish, I too will use any old ****. The fishing is important, not the gear. Mind you, and excuse me for blowing my own trumpet, but I can cast better with any old **** than most people can with very expensive gear! :) Mind you, I always knew you were a loony as well. TL MC |
line choice for beginner
"Mike Connor" wrote... snip If you were only allowed to use one line and one rod for all your fishing, which would these be? Well, *that* takes all the fun out of the sport now, doesn't it? :) Further, independent of what you actually do, which do you consider to be the most versatile? State your preferences, and why. If I only had one, I'd have to go with a med/fast 5wt with a DT. It would get me to most of the places I fish, which really only require a lighter weight, and give some additional distance should I need it. The DT roll casts nicely and, as stated, mends more easily at longer distance. But I don't cast worth a damn, so never mind. -- TL, Tim http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
line choice for beginner
"Tim J." schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:LEnec.118476$w54.835549@attbi_s01... SNIP If I only had one, I'd have to go with a med/fast 5wt with a DT. It would get me to most of the places I fish, which really only require a lighter weight, and give some additional distance should I need it. The DT roll casts nicely and, as stated, mends more easily at longer distance. But I don't cast worth a damn, so never mind. -- TL, Tim http://css.sbcma.com/timj Bloody beginners! :) TL MC |
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