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"Allen Epps" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
et...

Mike,
I would have to disagree with this. When I was a US Pacific
Northwestern denzion and mostly salmon and steelhead fished, the
resident line on my eight weight was a Teeny Nymph (I want to say an
800) although very fast sinking it is certainly possible to do a quick
but useful large mend at the begining of the drift. You are certainly
correct in saying a mend as such on a traditional floating line to get
that last bit of drift is not possible but don't rule it out all
together.

Allen

True, even aerial mends are also a great help sometimes, but most beginners
( I hesitate to say "all", even I have my limits! :)), don´t even know what
mending is, never mind being capable of actually doing it! Much less with a
WF line at distance. Quoting specific circumstances is useful, and we may
all learn something from it, indeed, after a while the specifics are of
considerably greater interest than any generalisations, but beginners have
no chance here, they don´t even know what you are talking about.

If we get into extremely specific discussions about the suitability or
otherwise of specific lines under specific circumstances, then this would
undoubtedly be most enjoyable, and assuming that this thread does not morph
into a discussion of the relative merits of blondes as opposed to redheads,
we could go on for months in a similar vein. ( Or perhaps even then! ).

Might I propose a simple question to this august body? Beginner or
otherwise?

If you were only allowed to use one line and one rod for all your fishing,
which would these be? Further, independent of what you actually do, which
do you consider to be the most versatile?

State your preferences, and why.

( I believe tris is referred to as a "straw poll". Don´t worry, we are not
electing a president, so you can be truthful).

TL
MC

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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......If you were only allowed to use one line and one rod for all your
fishing,
which would these be? Further, independent of what you actually do, which
do you consider to be the most versatile?

State your preferences, and why.

I've got a feeling I'm going to be in the minority here. I can cast about
as poorly with one rig as another. Give me something between a three and a
six weight in just about any length and whatever floating line. I WOULD
have some preferences (though not very strong ones) for certain situations,
but if it's got to be just one for all the fishing that I do it really
doesn't matter much.

Wolfgang

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:03:45 +0200, "Mike Connor"
wrote:


"George Cleveland" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:04:19 +0200, "Mike Connor"
wrote:


"George Adams" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
*snippage*

Things are different here, that is not to say they are bad, just
different.
This is a free country, just as yours is, but the freedoms and
restrictions
are different.

TL
MC

When did the currents laws get enacted?

g.c.

Most after the war. ( the second world war) Some are quite recent. The laws
are not really the problem, it is the thinking and the power behind them
which is the problem.

Greens and others ( although I agree with some of their agenda, I just don´t
like extremists of any colour), don´t actually need to be in power, they
just need a few key positions, and they can force through whatever they
want. Fishery officers have more actual power than elected politicians.
They may be fruitcakes, but they are not stupid! :)

TL
MC


I find it terribly sad that kids in Germany can't go fishing. One of
my better memories of a trip our high school choir took to Sweden was
going fishing with the son of the family I stayed with in Stockholm.
Hopefully Swedish kids can still walk down to the Baltic and cast for
pike.

g.c.

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In . net rw wrote:

The only disadvantage besides price, as far as I can tell, is that a
WF won't roll cast AT LONG DISTANCES as well as a DT. Very little
of my fishing involves long-distance roll casting. Furthermore,
while a WF doesn't long-distance roll cost as well as a DT, it
does roll cast better than a shooting head.

FWIW, a *lot* of the lake fishing I find myself doing *does*
involve a lot of roll casting at distance, and (to probably
nobody's suprise :-) I prefer a DT line. I've got a few WF
lines, and use them too, but I find myself needing to make
those roll casts out past the length of the head, often as
not, and end up feeling hamstrung.

For the same reason, I don't get all that excited over
shooting heads, though there are times *they* would be of
use. :-) The DT lines give me that little edge in flexability,
and don't handicap me *too* much in the distance dept. Guess
that's why I stick with them. :-) Maybe I'm a bit biased after
all these years fishing DT lines, but I think Mike makes some
valid points.

Todd (remove hook to reply)

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As we all know, this ( ROFF) is not a democracy, and nobody is bound by
majority decisions. If ninety percent of the contributors think I am a
arsehole, this is not necessarily the truth, it is merely a majority
decision. Although of course I may indeed be an arsehole anyway. None of you
have any real way of knowing.

Much the same applies in politics. Although nobody in their right mind would
elect me as president of anything at all, and even if they did I would not
accept, considering it is nevertheless an interesting intellectual exercise.

However this may be, could it possibly be that you are trying to trap me
Stephen?

Lay on, and the devil take the hindmost.

TL
MC

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"George Cleveland" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

Swedish kids can. So can most others in Europe. Germany is a pretty
shocking example of restrictions, for reasons that Wolfgang outlined pretty
well. I have nothing germane to add.

For most people, wherever they live, things are simply as they are. One does
not think about them constantly, and even if one did so, it is not likely
that one could do much about it.

You only learn to appreciate, or even notice many things, when you no longer
have them. If you never had them, then you can not lose them.

TL
MC

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"Greg Pavlov" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:02:11 +0200, "Mike Connor"
wrote:


What you say is basically correct. A WF line is merely a shooting head
with
integrated running line, designed for long casting, and using a haul to
shoot line. It will cast a lot further than a comparable DT, ( if you
can
use it!:)). But here we are talking about short range use, ( for
beginners
to boot!), and in such a case a heavier line loads the rod more easily.

That makes sense, but I still don't understand what you meant
by the following:

This was usually a manufacturers recommendation that the rod would
cast a
DT#6 or a WF#7. This is because a WF line of the same rating as the
DT
would be too light to load the rod at short range, ...

My apologies, I should have made it clearer.

If you want a general purpose fishing line for a #6 rated rod, then you
should use a #6 DT. If you want to use this rod for distance casting, then
you would be better served with a #7WF, or even a #8 ST.

This gets complicated!

If you want to cast at close range, then you need a heavier line to load the
rod. The manufacturer indicates here that either a DT#6 or a WF#7 should be
used. One is for general purpose fishing ( The DT#6) and the other is for
distance casting ( The WF#7).

If you want to distance cast, then you need a line that loads the rod, but
also allows you to cast and shoot without overloading the rod.

DT lines are not the best lines for distance casting. The belly is heavy,
and thus more difficult to shoot, and every foot of line you have outside
the rings adds considerable weight. This can be cast ( as in a roll cast,
which does not load the rod to any appreciable extent), or mended, or
overhead cast, ( which adds rod load for every foot of line outside the
rings), but it is very difficult to shoot any appreciable amount of it.

A WF line only has a thirty foot head, the rest is thin running line. It is
easier to shoot such running line, but impossible to cast it.

The same applies to a shooting head.

These are distance casting lines.


The crux of this discussion is that beginners simply want to catch fish as
quickly as possible. They can not cast any distance, and so a line designed
for distance casting ( A WF or shooting head) is more or less useless. They
also have other disadvantages, which have already been mentioned here.

If they use a heavier WF line, then they will be able to load the rod at
relatively close range, but are still unable to gain any distance, as they
can not cast very well.

They would generally ( and are)better served with a DT .

I know that this whole thing appears complex, but really it is not. It is
merely a matter of grasping the basic facts. One must also ignore various
blurb which one has heard, and only look at the facts.

Line properties ( although only the weight is of importance here), and rod
properties, ( even though they may be difficult to quantify sensibly), are
fixed. Which line one uses on a particular ros is governed by what one
wishes to achieve.

It is pointless for a beginner to use a WF or an ST, as these are
specifically designed for distance. He is unable to cast any distance,
therefore, he is better served with a DT, which is also more versatile than
either of the other lines.

TL
MC

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"Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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......If you were only allowed to use one line and one rod for all your
fishing,
which would these be? Further, independent of what you actually do,
which
do you consider to be the most versatile?

State your preferences, and why.

I've got a feeling I'm going to be in the minority here. I can cast about
as poorly with one rig as another. Give me something between a three and
a
six weight in just about any length and whatever floating line. I WOULD
have some preferences (though not very strong ones) for certain
situations,
but if it's got to be just one for all the fishing that I do it really
doesn't matter much.

Wolfgang



Interesting, as long as I can fish, I too will use any old ****. The
fishing is important, not the gear. Mind you, and excuse me for blowing my
own trumpet, but I can cast better with any old **** than most people can
with very expensive gear! :)

Mind you, I always knew you were a loony as well.

TL
MC

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"Mike Connor" wrote...
snip
If you were only allowed to use one line and one rod for all your fishing,
which would these be?

Well, *that* takes all the fun out of the sport now, doesn't it? :)

Further, independent of what you actually do, which
do you consider to be the most versatile?

State your preferences, and why.

If I only had one, I'd have to go with a med/fast 5wt with a DT. It would get me
to most of the places I fish, which really only require a lighter weight, and
give some additional distance should I need it. The DT roll casts nicely and, as
stated, mends more easily at longer distance.

But I don't cast worth a damn, so never mind.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Tim J." schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:LEnec.118476$w54.835549@attbi_s01...
SNIP
If I only had one, I'd have to go with a med/fast 5wt with a DT. It would
get me
to most of the places I fish, which really only require a lighter weight,
and
give some additional distance should I need it. The DT roll casts nicely
and, as
stated, mends more easily at longer distance.

But I don't cast worth a damn, so never mind.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Bloody beginners! :)

TL
MC