Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

Wegmans and Tops must be fantastic stores. In our area, Wal-Mart is 5 to
40% cheaper than all three of our local supermarkets.
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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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You think its a game?

The main way to keep poor people poor is to keep them ignorant, and make
them pay more for basic essentials. The scheme works very well.

Which is why you are well off, even though you are not only prejudiced,
but
stupid to boot.

Don´t you think at all before you post?

TL
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"Thomas Gibson" wrote in message
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In article ,
wrote:
In article ,
says...
The organization is huge and ruthless.
[snip]

JT
(who drives past Wal-mart if I can help it)

I don't believe I've ever been in a Wal-mart before (I just assumed
it was like a giant K-mart) since there isn't one anywhere nearby. If
people dislike them so much, why do they shop there?
- Ken

First, it was Mr. Taylor that made the 'huge & ruthless' comment. The
fact that I agree with him doesn't make the quote mine...

Second, you are correct--Wal-Mart and Kmart are strikingly similar from
the consumer POV. From the wholesaler POV, Wal-Mart is very different.
Wal-Mart owns very little inventory. Think of it as the world's biggest
consignment shop. Manufacturers/Wholesalers/Distributors put their
stuff on Wal-Mart's shelves and Wal-Mart pays for them after they've
sold. If they don't sell, it's not Wal-Mart's problem. An interesting
business model that has been incredibly successful. Success often
breeds despite, deserved or otherwise.

They are extremely competitive price-wise because they don't own
billions in inventory. They are very aggressive when it comes to
negotiating with the suppliers of their merchandise. IMO, they would
prefer to sell total junk for the lowest possible price than to sell a
product of reasonable quality for an additional 5%. Kmart is slightly
better when it comes to quality on many items. Target is better yet
(quality-wise) but has an anti-gun/hunting/fishing stance I don't care
for.

IME, Wal-Mart is the kind of place that if you go there looking for
something specific, they won't have it. OTOH, if you go to Wal-Mart
uncertain about what you're looking for, you'll buy *something* while
you're there.

I rarely go to Wal-Mart as a first choice.

Tom G

Wher did I miss the anti-fishing hunting thing for Target?? They sell
some fishing equipment here, some camping stuff but no guns. It's not a
political thing just business. Target has the highest sales per square ft
of store space than any store in their market area. Guns take a lot of
space and don't turn over. The less time things spend in your store the
more money you make. Fishing stuff is displayed on a seasonal basis. Not
having guns tends to keep the slack jawed wall mart clientel out.

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Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

Orvis + Wal-Mart = Angry local shopkeep
 

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Warren wrote:

wrote...
The main way to keep poor people poor is to keep them ignorant, and make
them pay more for basic essentials. The scheme works very well.

Preach on, brother! Here they do it with high housing costs (land
purchases and RENT), not Walmarts. g Don't get me started on
utilities....they doubled the price of natural gas here this past
winter and electricity has quadrupled in the last 5 years.

Related, perhaps, in a way to your other post about how Bozeman is
growing (which, to my way of thinking, though, based on what I've seen
happen to Bend, OR, means that it's Bozeman and not Billings that is
"going down").

I'd guess a lot of the people moving to Bozeman--or moving their small
(often hi-tech) businesses there--are coming for the "quality of life":
fishing, skiing, and other outdoor activities, etc. They've got lots of
money; if they've sold a house in one of the hi-tech meccas of CA or the
East Coast, they sold it for a hell of a lot more than what an identical
house in MT sells for, and they'll easily be willing to pay the same.
Local folks who had a reasonably decent quality of life based on
ranching, logging, etc., and related industries, will be driven to
borderline poverty working (often part-time and with poor benefits) in
the "service industry" or box-store retail.

JR

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Ah yes, what a wonderful idea, get rid of all these ignorant poor *******s,
and we will all have a better life. Come on, somebody who fly-fishes just
can not be that stupid?

Try and think a little bit my friend, there but for the grace of who knows
what, go you. Continuing in this vein, will almost ensure that you are a
lousy angler as well.

Ah well, skin and noses notwithstanding, I still feel sorry for a lot of
people.
MC

You missed my point, Mike, If these people, and I am all to well aware that
"there but for fortune," includes me, had jobs, or better paying jobs they
might well prefer to shop elsewhere.

I don't recall ever suggesting that we eliminate the unemployed or
underemployed. Nor, have I voted for any politicians who espouse such
platforms. I wouldn't mind, however, seeing some income reversals happen.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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George Cleveland wrote:


Merrill is the county seat of Lincoln county. I can vouch for the
attorney offices. As far as bail bondsmen...I think they take chickens
and other produce in trade for prisoners at the county jail.


g.c.

greenville is the county seat of pitt (yeah, it's descriptive) county.
population about 55,000 in the city. we have every retail business that
signals capitalism at the high end... wal-mart, k-mart, target, jc
penney, barnes & noble, two malls, neighborhood shopping centers,
athletic clubs, university, regional medical center, etc... but, as you
noted somewhere in this thread, i think the sense of "community" has
been screwed in the process.

jeff (who, in times past, received a deer leg, peach brandy, and a quilt
from clients)

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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:12:03 -0600, Warren wrote:

wrote...
Well, if fly shops begin to vanish the way gun shops do when Wally World
comes to town, and new anglers can't get advice, there should be some
excellent streamside comedy in the future.

TOTAL horse ****. Three new fly shops and two new "sporting goods"
stores have been added in the last couple of years here. The
"sporting goods" stores also carry fly tying and fly fishing
equipment of various qualities. One carries Orvis and other upper
end equipment while the other carries St Croix, etc. Sine Walmart
has opened they have also built an Orvis endorsed fly shop which
expanded two weeks ago and now includes a "satellite" store between
town and two of the major local rivers. Greater Yellowstone Fly
Fishers is in the process of expanding their current store (moving
to a building twice as big) in the same area. Both aren't more than
5-8 miles from Walmart. The fly shop across the interstate from
Walmart has also fine-tuned their product line and is doing better
business than ever and it is only a block away from Walmart!

Walmart still carries the same ol' **** and every consumer at every
price level has a place to buy their goods. I don't buy anything
related to fly fishing from Walmart and probably never will unless
they start carrying Simms, Loomis, Winston, J.A. Forbes, Ross and
numerous other brands that I buy. Walmart is doing nothing less
than what Cabela's has by introducing low-end rods and gear for
novice or beginner fishermen. Their flies, while cheap, are CHEAP
pieces of **** made overseas in substandard factories. There are
numerous other places that offer flies locally for the same price
that are better made with better materials. I can't think of ANY
local sporting good stores or fly shops that have gone under because
of Walmart or that have gone under PERIOD since Walmart has moved to
town. Of course there was Gibson's, which was on its way out even
before Walmart moved to town and offered the EXACT same selection as
Walmart in terms of sporting goods. All of the local shops were
able to run that chain out of here.

Guns? Here, Walmart barely has any selection at all! The sporting
goods stores/gun shops have done nothing but EXPAND since Walmart
has opened here. Unless of course they carried the same lines as
Walmart at a higher price..... Again, I can't think of any shops
that have closed since Walmart has opened. The local pawn shops
have more of a selection than Walmart and are very competitive with
Walmart (for used, often battered weapons). What has happened is
that retailers here have specialized in niches that Walmart neglects
by offering a larger range of products or offer a very competitive
price for the same product as Walmart.



It sounds as if the difference in communities Walmart experiences has
more to do with population growth than with the addition of retail
space.With the exception of George A. the Walmart success stories are
coming from the fast growing West. (And no, we still won't let you
have any of our water.) While the Walmart horror stories seem to come
from the areas of the country where population growth, especially from
out of state immigration, is small to negligible. There the growth of
Walmart isn't supported by new people in the community but by shifting
the existing population from one retail outlet to another. This holds
true for the differences in grocery prices. Here in the midwest and
east the transport system servicing the grocery stores is old and
established. In my town there are two highly competitive families
running the two main grocery stores. Prices were already cut as much
as possible and both were aligned with large distribution companies.
So Walmart didn't really have much room to grow in that area. Like I
said before, most of their stuff is more expensive than the local
groceries. In the West, with its historically isolated urban regions
the cost of transport plus the lack of options made the local grocers
more able to charge more and Walmart having a mature transport and
buying system was able to under cut them. The way I see it Walmart
out West wasn't the cause of growth but rather a symptom of it.

g.c.

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"slenon" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. com...
SNIP
You missed my point, Mike, If these people, and I am all to well aware
that
"there but for fortune," includes me, had jobs, or better paying jobs they
might well prefer to shop elsewhere.

I don't recall ever suggesting that we eliminate the unemployed or
underemployed. Nor, have I voted for any politicians who espouse such
platforms. I wouldn't mind, however, seeing some income reversals happen.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69


Possible I suppose. Where I live, the discounters have a stranglehold on
the market. Most other businesses have been swept away, as they simply could
not compete. The "low end" market of everything, is the largest segment.
Even milk farmers and the like are being severely hit by the dumping prices.
This sort of thing can not go on for very long before markets start to
collapse.

Everybody wants all sorts of things cheap, but they also want jobs and
money. Having everything cheap from a few major discounters, and at the
same time a flourishing economy, and reasonbale employment levels, are
eventually mutually exclusive. This is of course always realised too late,
although the patterns which cause it are always identical and foreseeable.

TL
MC