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"John" wrote in message
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Great question! Has anyone got any links to any scientific studies that
were made which showed mortality rate outcomes from various hook removal
choices?

See this article which I posted in another thread.

http://www.wmi.org/multi_boards/doc....p_ini\mb_5.ini

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Marty said:

See this article which I posted in another thread.


http://www.wmi.org/multi_boards/doc....p_ini\mb_5.ini

Thanks for posting this link to another of Mann's summaries of research.
It makes my point of why I like to read the original. He quotes TPWD LM
bass in a private water study and says

"It is no surprise that crankbaits are less likely to be swallowed, as their
artificial nature is immediately detectable to fish. When fisheries are
managed primarily for C&R or trophy bass production, it may be appropriate
to ban use of multiple rods to reduce delayed hooksets, or to limit lures to
items unlikely to be swallowed. In any case, C&R sportsmen will want to
avoid techniques that delay hooksets, like fishing with unattended rods."

Although I have not been able to get TPWD's published findings, I seriously
doubt they said that. To my understanding Texas has NOT eliminated multiple
rods or unattended rods while bass fishing anywhere. Mann inserted his
opinion here, IMHO. Did he insert his views elsewhere?

Marty the biggest problem in hook mortality is how the researchers measure
mortality. Most studies put the fish into pens or cages for 48 to 72 hours
and count dead fish to measure mortality. PFFTT! How does this "short-term
morality" show if a 3 pound bass will grow to 6 pounds or not as the
originator of this thread asked? If researchers keep the fish penned longer
it gets expensive - they have to be fed = big $. Other tracking methods such
as before and after seining and electroshocking, GPS tracking chips, etc.all
have their own problems. If the studies are sloppy in measuring mortality,
how can we believe their conclusions?

Here is the SUMMARY of an interesting Louisiana LM Bass study. It describes
dissolved oxygen's impact on mortality. I wish I could read the study and
see if it also studies hook impacts. Note these bass were penned 14 days.
Did they feed them? How many little bass were missing = swallowed by big
bass?
http://www.sdafs.org/meetings/97sdaf...r/hickman1.htm

Here is another one page summary of the interesting and controversial Texas
Tech Tournament Fishing Mortality study. I would like to read the entire
study and find out why only 136 of 340 bass were ALIVE at weigh-in and how
dumping those 136 live tournament-caught bass into a holding pen compared
with just 10 bass caught electroshocking. Seems to be lots of holes in
their study, without even considering the stats, but I can't tell!
http://www.rw.ttu.edu/wilde/pdf%20fi...1%20poster.pdf

Marty hope this info explains some of why I was hoping to get hard science
studies on various hook removal techniques.
Thanks for giving me the chance to clarify my post.
Good luck
John

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"Budd Cochran" wrote in message
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Do not rip the hook out or try to remove if it beyond the reach of
forceps,
pliers or a disgorger. If the gill is damaged and bleeding, the fish will
die anyway.


Is This true? A fish with a damaged or bleeding gill will die? I always
assumed it would heal, providing it is not too torn up?

John C. French

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"John C. French" wrote in message
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"Budd Cochran" wrote in message
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Do not rip the hook out or try to remove if it beyond the reach of
forceps,
pliers or a disgorger. If the gill is damaged and bleeding, the fish
will
die anyway.


Is This true? A fish with a damaged or bleeding gill will die? I always
assumed it would heal, providing it is not too torn up?

John C. French


This is not true. I've caught many fish with damaged gill rakers that were
apparently healthy and actively feeding. Think about it, do you die every
time you're cut and bleeding?

If I have a fish that I think is not going to make it, I'll put it in the
livewell and check on it periodically. You'd be amazed at the number of
fish that were bleeding from the gills that an hour later were doing fine.

One thing is certain, if you take that gill bleeding fish and fillet it,
chances of its survival are just about nil!
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

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That is what I thought. I've released several N. Pike with bleeding gills,
and as I said, just assumed they would heal.Thanks for clarifying.

John C. French



"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ...

"John C. French" wrote in message
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"Budd Cochran" wrote in message
...

Do not rip the hook out or try to remove if it beyond the reach of
forceps,
pliers or a disgorger. If the gill is damaged and bleeding, the fish
will
die anyway.


Is This true? A fish with a damaged or bleeding gill will die? I always
assumed it would heal, providing it is not too torn up?

John C. French


This is not true. I've caught many fish with damaged gill rakers that
were
apparently healthy and actively feeding. Think about it, do you die every
time you're cut and bleeding?

If I have a fish that I think is not going to make it, I'll put it in the
livewell and check on it periodically. You'd be amazed at the number of
fish that were bleeding from the gills that an hour later were doing fine.

One thing is certain, if you take that gill bleeding fish and fillet it,
chances of its survival are just about nil!
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com