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It left me with the impression that poppies aren't common in the Buffalo
area.
Peter

My recall is that they were prevalent in my youth in the Midwest and began
to vanish from cities during the Vietnam War. Small towns with active VFW
chapters are the resource.

http://www.vfw4250.homestead.com/buddy_poppy.html

provides a brief history. I had not heard of the Franco-American Children's
League. I wonder if they were responsible for the truly insipid
Franco-American canned spaghetti that I was fed as a child.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

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"slenon" wrote in message
. ..
It left me with the impression that poppies aren't common in the
Buffalo
area.
Peter

My recall is that they were prevalent in my youth in the Midwest and
began
to vanish from cities during the Vietnam War...

Hippies smoked 'em.

Wolfgang

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"slenon" wrote in message
. ..
It left me with the impression that poppies aren't common in the
Buffalo
area.
Peter

My recall is that they were prevalent in my youth in the Midwest and
began
to vanish from cities during the Vietnam War...

Hippies smoked 'em.

Wolfgang

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"Russell D." wrote in message
...

Poppies remind me of my Grandmother. I don't know if there was some
connection to to her homeland, Switzerland, but she grew lots of
those
bright red-orange poppies. When I go back to the old homestead in
the
summer there a still lots of poppies blooming in her old garden,
decedents of her original poppies.

My mother used to grow them in her garden too. I'd forgotten about
them till you reminded me just now. Oddly, they are the only flowers
she grew that I have vivid memories of........except for the nasty
potted geraniums that used to sit on nightstand beside my bed when I
was a child.

They make me feel good.

That's why the feds watch keep a close eye on them......and you.
:)

Wolfgang

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"Russell D." wrote in message
...

Poppies remind me of my Grandmother. I don't know if there was some
connection to to her homeland, Switzerland, but she grew lots of
those
bright red-orange poppies. When I go back to the old homestead in
the
summer there a still lots of poppies blooming in her old garden,
decedents of her original poppies.

My mother used to grow them in her garden too. I'd forgotten about
them till you reminded me just now. Oddly, they are the only flowers
she grew that I have vivid memories of........except for the nasty
potted geraniums that used to sit on nightstand beside my bed when I
was a child.

They make me feel good.

That's why the feds watch keep a close eye on them......and you.
:)

Wolfgang

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Hippies smoked 'em.
Wolfgang

poppies or heroines?

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

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Hippies smoked 'em.
Wolfgang

poppies or heroines?

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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"slenon" wrote in message
...
Hippies smoked 'em.
Wolfgang

poppies or heroines?

Doesn't matter. What's important is what they SHOULD have done. What they
should have done.......and didn't.......was smoke the butchers.....and here
you are, still wallowing in death.......and picking up great dripping and
reeking handfuls and smearing it all over yourselves and anyone else in
reach.

Wolfgang
helluva legacy for honorable men to leave their children and
grandchildren......those that survive......ainna? :)

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Wolfgang
helluva legacy for honorable men to leave their children and
grandchildren......those that survive......

So you'd sooner see the dead shoveled into mass graves and forgotten, no
memorials, no markers?


What's important is what they SHOULD have done. What they should have
done.......and didn't.......was smoke the butchers

Which country, which war, which invasion, which genocide, which century,
which religious oppression? And, pray, how does one "smoke the butchers"
without using force, becoming the butcher, being consumed by the revolution?
It is well and good to spout pacifism or your brand of non-militarism from a
point and time in history that allows such. Take it back only a generation
and cross the Atlantic. While you might still have rejected the propaganda
and the martial music, would you have stood alone and been marched to the
camps or the execution pits? You and I both did not choose jail over
service. You chose a normally non-combatant branch and I chose to carry an
aidbag into combat. What we both "should have done" according to you, we
did not. If that guilt still eats at you, too bad.

Don't think this response means that I care about your opinion, I'm merely
pointing out the central flaw in your "should have."
While we agree on more than you will ever recognize, your view of matters
militaire and mine will never coincide. I see history and culture from a
vastly different vantage than you. So save your energy and your spleen for
someone who cares about your opinions.


--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
When the dawn came up like thunder

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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"slenon" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang
helluva legacy for honorable men to leave their children and
grandchildren......those that survive......

So you'd sooner see the dead shoveled into mass graves and forgotten, no
memorials, no markers?

Huh? What the HELL are you prating about now?

What's important is what they SHOULD have done. What they should have
done.......and didn't.......was smoke the butchers

Which country, which war, which invasion, which genocide, which century,
which religious oppression?

Which country, which war, which invasion, which genocide, which century,
which religious oppression, what?

And, pray, how does one "smoke the butchers" without using force, becoming
the butcher, being consumed by the revolution?

Keeping them in the public eye and being sure that they are properly
identified is a good start, I think. What do you think?

It is well and good to spout pacifism

Pacifism? Who said anything about pacifism? You think I'M a pacifist?!
Good God, where DO you people get these amazingly stupid ideas from?

or your brand of non-militarism from a point and time in history that
allows such.

Well, I'll agree with you this far, Ste. I mean, the very notion of
spouting anything from a point and time in history that DOESN'T allow it is
kind of silly, wouldn't you say? And yes, it is indeed well and good.

Take it back only a generation and cross the Atlantic.

That depends on just how you compute generations. As a matter of fact,
roughly fifty years ago I was across the Atlantic from where I am now. So,
crossing it then would have meant coming here......which is exactly what I
did.

While you might still have rejected the propaganda and the martial music,
would you have stood alone and been marched to the camps or the execution
pits?

Um.......you mean Guantanamo.....a jail in New Jersey.....or what?

You and I both did not choose jail over service.

Jail never entered into the equation in my case. What was it you got busted
for? Did it have anything to do with small animals?

You chose a normally non-combatant branch

The United States Coast Guard has been active in every war the United States
has engaged in since 1790 (if memory serves, and albeit under a different
name in the early years).......at least up until the current ones......I
haven't kept track of their present engagement status. The Coast Guard has
typically sustained high casualties as a result of it's particularly
dangerous assigned duties in times of war. Moreover, even in times of peace
the Coast Guard has always carried out a number of extremely hazardous jobs,
including some that periodically put individuals in various units under
hostile fire. Or, to put it in the vernacular, you don't know ****.

and I chose to carry an aidbag into combat.

Well, aren't you the little hero.

What we both "should have done" according to you, we did not.

You were a hippie too?! Well, I be go ta hell.

If that guilt still eats at you, too bad.

Guilt? What guilt? Have I done something I should feel guilty about and
nobody told me?

Don't think this response means that I care about your opinion,

No, of course not. As often as I've been told, even I have eventually come
to the realization that the ONLY people who respond to me are those who
don't care about my opinions.

I'm merely pointing out the central flaw in your "should have."

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that reading what I said first would
lend some weight to your argument, huh?

While we agree on more than you will ever recognize,

You haven't got much of a clue about what we might agree on. As for
recognition, I most certainly do recognize you and your ilk. You may rest
assured that I will occassionally point you out to others.

your view of matters militaire and mine will never coincide.

"Militaire"? Ooh! Sacre bleu, mi hermano! Why didn't you TELL me you
speak Dutch? Well, that makes all the difference in the world!

I see history and culture from a vastly different vantage than you.

No ****. Things ALWAYS look different from the abbatoir.

So save your energy and your spleen for someone who cares about your
opinions.

Got anybody in mind? I mean it looks pretty much like nobody here does.

Wolfgang
who is just about THIS close to not caring about anybody else's opinions!
:(