Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

Peter Charles wrote:

OK, a bunch of fishermen are fishing a heavily pounded water and only
one is catching fish consistently. He's using 7X FC. Many other
reasons come to mind why he may be doing better but the FC lesson
stuck with me as there was nothing else he was doing that was out of
the ordinary.

Fast forward to next season and I'm fishing the worst section of that
same river for pounded fish. Can't buy a hit. Get one of the 6X FC
leaders out, attached 3' of 7X FC to it - bang, bang, bang, fish after
fish. Lose the 7X tippet and tie the fly to the 6X -- cast, cast,
cast to a rising fish -- nada. Tie back on 3' of 7 X. First cast
gets him.

What's going on?

Uh ... maybe it's the 6x vs. the 7x? What does FC have to do with that?

Underneath the water, there isn't much difference, I agree -- more
marketing hype than anything else,

Exactly. I don't argue that leader-shy fish in heavily fished water
won't be sensitive to he tippet diameter. I've experienced that many
times. What I AM skeptical about is the virtues of FC compared to mono.

If fishing with FC makes you happy and confident, go for it. That's fine
with me.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

Peter Charles wrote:

OK, a bunch of fishermen are fishing a heavily pounded water and only
one is catching fish consistently. He's using 7X FC. Many other
reasons come to mind why he may be doing better but the FC lesson
stuck with me as there was nothing else he was doing that was out of
the ordinary.

Fast forward to next season and I'm fishing the worst section of that
same river for pounded fish. Can't buy a hit. Get one of the 6X FC
leaders out, attached 3' of 7X FC to it - bang, bang, bang, fish after
fish. Lose the 7X tippet and tie the fly to the 6X -- cast, cast,
cast to a rising fish -- nada. Tie back on 3' of 7 X. First cast
gets him.

What's going on?

Uh ... maybe it's the 6x vs. the 7x? What does FC have to do with that?

Underneath the water, there isn't much difference, I agree -- more
marketing hype than anything else,

Exactly. I don't argue that leader-shy fish in heavily fished water
won't be sensitive to he tippet diameter. I've experienced that many
times. What I AM skeptical about is the virtues of FC compared to mono.

If fishing with FC makes you happy and confident, go for it. That's fine
with me.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message

I've caught fish on FC tippet, and I've caught fish on mono tippet. It
doesn't seem to make any difference to me.

Here's what I think happens. Someone goes fishless for awhile and, in
desperation, tries FC. Then he catches a fish. Eureka! FC is suddenly the
greatest thing ever invented. It never occurs to the poor chump that
maybe he was just due.

The same thing happens with flies.



Hm.......fascinating theory. But.......um.......well, how would one ever
know.......unless one counted fish? :(

Wolfgang
who begins to suspect there's more to this flyfishing business than meets
the eye of the casual observer.

You don't have to count fish.

Actually, that's something I've suspected for a long time. As a matter of
fact, I never listen when someone tells me that I DO have to count fish.
Well, I guess I shouldn't say that I don't listen.......what I mean is that
I don't take such admonitions to heart. What it really comes down to is
that I count fish......or don't.....entirely at my own discretion.
Usually......not always, mind you....but usually, I count the first
one.....and then the second one......and then the third.....but after that
it's pretty much a hit or miss proposition. Sometimes I forget.......unless
I want to be certain that I'm catching more than someone else.....someone
like....well, whoever I'm fishing with for instance. But then, sometimes I
forget anyway. So, anyway, I bought a camera. I'm thinking about getting
my own web page......so I can share. Whattya think?

If you're halfway competent, you will catch fish when they start feeding.

See, this is what I love about this place. You're ALWAYS learning something
new! :)

If they aren't feeding it will be extremely difficult to catch them.

Oh. O.k. So that's like a......a.....a.....um....corollary to the thing
about you'll catch them if their feeding, huh?

After being frustrated, and switching to FC, and finally catching a fish,
switch back to mono.

Switch back? Huh? When did I stop using mono? Why wasn't I informed?
:(

I know, it's hard to do, but try it.

Harder than you think. You see, I'm not all that sure I trust you anymore.
Frankly, I don't think I ever stopped using mono. If you think about it,
this will necessarily mean that it would not be simply hard, but damned near
impossible. Take your time.

See if you catch another fish.

O.k., I'll do that. Um.......but unless I catch an unspecified number
greater than one, I don't think I'll tell you about it because if I DO catch
just one, I don't see any way that I could NOT count it.......and, if I
counted it.......well, I know you hate people who do that......and I don't
want you to hate me......because then you wouldn't share anymore.

Wolfgang
and hey, how 'bout them teenage girls, huh? WOW! :)

Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message

I've caught fish on FC tippet, and I've caught fish on mono tippet. It
doesn't seem to make any difference to me.

Here's what I think happens. Someone goes fishless for awhile and, in
desperation, tries FC. Then he catches a fish. Eureka! FC is suddenly the
greatest thing ever invented. It never occurs to the poor chump that
maybe he was just due.

The same thing happens with flies.



Hm.......fascinating theory. But.......um.......well, how would one ever
know.......unless one counted fish? :(

Wolfgang
who begins to suspect there's more to this flyfishing business than meets
the eye of the casual observer.

You don't have to count fish.

Actually, that's something I've suspected for a long time. As a matter of
fact, I never listen when someone tells me that I DO have to count fish.
Well, I guess I shouldn't say that I don't listen.......what I mean is that
I don't take such admonitions to heart. What it really comes down to is
that I count fish......or don't.....entirely at my own discretion.
Usually......not always, mind you....but usually, I count the first
one.....and then the second one......and then the third.....but after that
it's pretty much a hit or miss proposition. Sometimes I forget.......unless
I want to be certain that I'm catching more than someone else.....someone
like....well, whoever I'm fishing with for instance. But then, sometimes I
forget anyway. So, anyway, I bought a camera. I'm thinking about getting
my own web page......so I can share. Whattya think?

If you're halfway competent, you will catch fish when they start feeding.

See, this is what I love about this place. You're ALWAYS learning something
new! :)

If they aren't feeding it will be extremely difficult to catch them.

Oh. O.k. So that's like a......a.....a.....um....corollary to the thing
about you'll catch them if their feeding, huh?

After being frustrated, and switching to FC, and finally catching a fish,
switch back to mono.

Switch back? Huh? When did I stop using mono? Why wasn't I informed?
:(

I know, it's hard to do, but try it.

Harder than you think. You see, I'm not all that sure I trust you anymore.
Frankly, I don't think I ever stopped using mono. If you think about it,
this will necessarily mean that it would not be simply hard, but damned near
impossible. Take your time.

See if you catch another fish.

O.k., I'll do that. Um.......but unless I catch an unspecified number
greater than one, I don't think I'll tell you about it because if I DO catch
just one, I don't see any way that I could NOT count it.......and, if I
counted it.......well, I know you hate people who do that......and I don't
want you to hate me......because then you wouldn't share anymore.

Wolfgang
and hey, how 'bout them teenage girls, huh? WOW! :)

Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:24:09 GMT, rw
wrote:

Peter Charles wrote:

OK, a bunch of fishermen are fishing a heavily pounded water and only
one is catching fish consistently. He's using 7X FC. Many other
reasons come to mind why he may be doing better but the FC lesson
stuck with me as there was nothing else he was doing that was out of
the ordinary.

Fast forward to next season and I'm fishing the worst section of that
same river for pounded fish. Can't buy a hit. Get one of the 6X FC
leaders out, attached 3' of 7X FC to it - bang, bang, bang, fish after
fish. Lose the 7X tippet and tie the fly to the 6X -- cast, cast,
cast to a rising fish -- nada. Tie back on 3' of 7 X. First cast
gets him.

What's going on?

Uh ... maybe it's the 6x vs. the 7x? What does FC have to do with that?

Underneath the water, there isn't much difference, I agree -- more
marketing hype than anything else,

Exactly. I don't argue that leader-shy fish in heavily fished water
won't be sensitive to he tippet diameter. I've experienced that many
times. What I AM skeptical about is the virtues of FC compared to mono.

If fishing with FC makes you happy and confident, go for it. That's fine
with me.

Just don't forget that sinking business, I put more stock in that the
tippet diameter. That dent in the surface film makes your 7X mono look
much bigger. Try it youself. Put some water in a bowl and float some
7X mono on it then take a look at the dent. Then sink some 7X FC in
it and see which one is more visible.

In the 6X vs. 7X case, drag was more likely the culprit. In the
flatter, heavily fished waters, you need every angle covered. I've
found that a so-so imitation presented with FC and no drag outfishes a
good imitation fished with mono and a higher risk of drag.

Be interesting to run a comparison of two anglers using the same fly
under the conditions I described, one with mono, the other with FC.

Peter

turn mailhot into hotmail to reply

Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html

Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:24:09 GMT, rw
wrote:

Peter Charles wrote:

OK, a bunch of fishermen are fishing a heavily pounded water and only
one is catching fish consistently. He's using 7X FC. Many other
reasons come to mind why he may be doing better but the FC lesson
stuck with me as there was nothing else he was doing that was out of
the ordinary.

Fast forward to next season and I'm fishing the worst section of that
same river for pounded fish. Can't buy a hit. Get one of the 6X FC
leaders out, attached 3' of 7X FC to it - bang, bang, bang, fish after
fish. Lose the 7X tippet and tie the fly to the 6X -- cast, cast,
cast to a rising fish -- nada. Tie back on 3' of 7 X. First cast
gets him.

What's going on?

Uh ... maybe it's the 6x vs. the 7x? What does FC have to do with that?

Underneath the water, there isn't much difference, I agree -- more
marketing hype than anything else,

Exactly. I don't argue that leader-shy fish in heavily fished water
won't be sensitive to he tippet diameter. I've experienced that many
times. What I AM skeptical about is the virtues of FC compared to mono.

If fishing with FC makes you happy and confident, go for it. That's fine
with me.

Just don't forget that sinking business, I put more stock in that the
tippet diameter. That dent in the surface film makes your 7X mono look
much bigger. Try it youself. Put some water in a bowl and float some
7X mono on it then take a look at the dent. Then sink some 7X FC in
it and see which one is more visible.

In the 6X vs. 7X case, drag was more likely the culprit. In the
flatter, heavily fished waters, you need every angle covered. I've
found that a so-so imitation presented with FC and no drag outfishes a
good imitation fished with mono and a higher risk of drag.

Be interesting to run a comparison of two anglers using the same fly
under the conditions I described, one with mono, the other with FC.

Peter

turn mailhot into hotmail to reply

Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html

Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

Randy,
I tied a bunch of leaders accoring to the recipes around the web and they
worked fine. Now I just tie some of this and that from heavy to light in
about the lengths I think are appropriate for the water and they work fine
too. for the tippet, I tie on the lightest line that will not break on the
rise (I hope).

Also, if in a rush, tie on a 8' or 9' tapered leader and ad the tippet
material on to the end for the length desired.

I know. Not scientific but it works fine for me.
(be sure the fly is tied to the tippet with a clean knot without any kinky
tippet material in front of the fly).
Guy

Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

Randy,
I tied a bunch of leaders accoring to the recipes around the web and they
worked fine. Now I just tie some of this and that from heavy to light in
about the lengths I think are appropriate for the water and they work fine
too. for the tippet, I tie on the lightest line that will not break on the
rise (I hope).

Also, if in a rush, tie on a 8' or 9' tapered leader and ad the tippet
material on to the end for the length desired.

I know. Not scientific but it works fine for me.
(be sure the fly is tied to the tippet with a clean knot without any kinky
tippet material in front of the fly).
Guy

Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

Wolfgang wrote:

.......
......
.....
......
....
.....
......
.....
.......
.....
....
......
Whattya think?

I think you're still the same elliptical dickhead you've always been.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Does anyone build their own leaders?
 

Wolfgang wrote:

.......
......
.....
......
....
.....
......
.....
.......
.....
....
......
Whattya think?

I think you're still the same elliptical dickhead you've always been.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.