rw wrote in
link.net:

Then when they get the refund they probably blow it on something
they don't need because they're suddenly flush.

Or worse ... take advances on their refund at (annualized) triple digit
interest rates.

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their
own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every
single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a
tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays
them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted.
Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they
can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the
minority and they still have a tuition waiver.


Depends on the school. I was a foreign graduate student in the US from
about 1980 - 1984. The school where I did my Master's provided me with a
research assistantship, and my tuition costs were 1/3 of the resident
rate. I did my Doctorate at NCSU, was provided with an assistanship
there, but I paid the full resident rate for tuition (at least it wasn't
the non-resident rate).

The amount I received during those years wasn't a great deal. It was
hard to make ends meet. I still worked hard for my assistantship, and
made my contribution. Sure didn't feel like I was feeding at the trough.

Tim Lysyk

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Wolfgang, all I really needed to cite was your demonstrated whininess,
and
the overwhelming weight of that by gender would alone tip the balance
to
the
male population. You have all the displaced cynicism of one of those
who
lives far too close to the 5% significant difference rule. Kissy Kissy

All you had to do was cite my demonstrated whininess.
Well......dang......that sure does sound like it means something. O.k.,
with your demonstrated expertise in teaching, it should be very simple
for
you to explain, even to one with my limited capacity to comprehend,
exactly
what that means.


Dave
Who confesses he gets far too much fun from poking dis cheesehead
monkey.

Keep on enjoying! :)

Wolfgang


Hummmmmm. Lets see . . . no gill damage, hook out, swirl em around a bit
(cuts down the lactic acid Im told,), and off you go big fellow.

Not much of a fight in him and these old ones get pretty thin by the end
of
the Winter, but, hey its fun and shows once again that sometimes a simple
old attractor pattern works after ice-out for the slow ones.

Recipe for the "Whiny Cheesehead" attractor pattern courtesy "Secret Hole.
Com," Wardrobe by Poke D. Monkey.

Dave



:)

"rw" wrote in message
link.net...
Those are people who don't have the discipline to control their spending,
and they know it....

Say.....I'll bet you did a calculation! :)

Ah, Stevie, Stevie, Stevie.......if only we could all love ourselves as much
as you and Davie and Kennie do......sigh......

Wolfgang
move to idaho, buy a shotgun......move to idaho, buy a
shotgun......move.........

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
oups.com...

Wolfgang wrote:

For many of us the difference between letting the feds hold it versus
a bank
is inconseqential. At 1.25% or so, the yield on $500 is small enough
that
even those of us with a connection to educational institutions can
afford to
be blasé. :)

who, nevertheless, balks at letting the *******s touch anything that
isn't
due them.

Except they get the 1.25% instead of you. :(

I ain't like the rest of you guys........I got more money than God. :)

Wolfgang

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:31:52 -0400, GaryM
wrote:

rw wrote in
hlink.net:

Then when they get the refund they probably blow it on something
they don't need because they're suddenly flush.

Or worse ... take advances on their refund at (annualized) triple digit
interest rates.


Yep, I just blow it on heat and school taxes. I'll just tell the
power company and county treasurer that my money is a better
investment if I stick it in an IRA rather than paying it to them. ;^)


g.c.

Who wonders if Wolfgang has any room in his refridgerator box under
the bridge.

"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message
news:WwX8e.42295$VF5.434@edtnps89...
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their
own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every
single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a
tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays
them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted.
Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they
can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the
minority and they still have a tuition waiver.


Depends on the school. I was a foreign graduate student in the US from
about 1980 - 1984. The school where I did my Master's provided me with a
research assistantship, and my tuition costs were 1/3 of the resident
rate. I did my Doctorate at NCSU, was provided with an assistanship there,
but I paid the full resident rate for tuition (at least it wasn't the
non-resident rate).

The amount I received during those years wasn't a great deal. It was hard
to make ends meet. I still worked hard for my assistantship, and made my
contribution. Sure didn't feel like I was feeding at the trough.

Grubs. Grubs are chock full of protein.......and they're free! :)

Wolfgang
and don't forget about them larvae........mmmmmmmm........larvae!

In article ,
lid says...


You're absolutely correct, it is always a net win for Big U,
but it's almost entirely funded by the US taxpayer and I think
the US taxpayer would be better served by funding only American
grad students and making foreign grad students pay their own way.


I think most universities would love to give all of their teaching
assistantships to American citizens, if only to cut down the
whining from students about how they can't understand their
TA's accent. However, at least in the SMET disciplines, there's
not enough American graduate students to go around to cover all
those sections of ____ 101 at all the schools.

Kevin

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reply to:
kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:31:52 -0400, GaryM
wrote:

rw wrote in
thlink.net:

Then when they get the refund they probably blow it on something
they don't need because they're suddenly flush.

Or worse ... take advances on their refund at (annualized) triple digit
interest rates.


Yep, I just blow it on heat and school taxes. I'll just tell the
power company and county treasurer that my money is a better
investment if I stick it in an IRA rather than paying it to them. ;^)


g.c.

Who wonders if Wolfgang has any room in his refridgerator box under
the bridge.

Gotta move fast. It's filling up quick. :)

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
link.net...

Those are people who don't have the discipline to control their spending,
and they know it....


Say.....I'll bet you did a calculation! :)

I always calculate my taxes ahead of time and prepay whatever I have to
prepay to avoid penalties. I recommend that practice. If you owe more
tax in one year than you owed in the previous year, there are NO
PENALTIES for underwithholding. That is very, very useful if you have a
good year. It saved me about $1200 this year, using your very low
estimate of 1.25% return. That $1200 will just about pay for my Belize
fishing trip, which I'm leaving for tomorrow morning.

BTW, I've always paid every dime of taxes I owe and I've never been
audited. And I support higher tax rates to reduce our ruinous Federal
deficit.

Ah, Stevie, Stevie, Stevie.......if only we could all love ourselves as much
as you and Davie and Kennie do......sigh......

I own a shotgun, and a 30-06 rifle, and a 357 Magnum revolver.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.