Fellers, I've read this thread reluctantly. I want to weigh in on this
issue, even though the safer and easier course would be to keep quiet and
ignore the acrimony that is going on here. I feel this group is worthwhile,
though, and

I know that Rodney has an abrasive side to him. Several of us here do, too.
And I know that some of the people ridiculing Rodney in this string has been
personally offended in the past and so have a personal axe to grind with
him. Others just express distaste for his attitude. Well, we have a right to
express opinions related to bass fishing, bass tackle, boats, etc. on this
group, and I guess we can stretch it to opinions about bass tackle
manufacturers.... but by now the point has been made repeatedly. The
repetitious Rodney-bashing going on here is getting tiresome.

It appears to me that Rodney has been offering some reasonable, thoughtful,
coherent responses here, especially lately. What do you say we cut him some
slack?

There aren't many fishing tackle manufacturers on this group. Lots of us
hold firm opinions about bass promoters, manufacturers, and pros. From what
I've leaned over the past four or five years, it's clear to me that some of
those opinions are unfounded. On the other hand, some of the things Rodney
has said have been right on target. If you're interested in gaining insights
into the innovation, design, and manufacturing side of the industry, you
might want to pay attention to what Rodney has of value to share and
overlook the traits that you find personally distasteful.

I've learned several things from Rodney, and I have no problem with trying
new ideas... new lures... new knots, or whatever else he might suggest. I
urge us all... just take whatever of value we find here, and show a measure
of grace and courtesy in the way we treat each other, and keep the
discussions on a higher plane, if possible.

Indiscrete, hurtful remarks and public ridicule or scorn rankle and fester,
and it's hard to just drop them and move on with our lives. If you're unable
to put them behind you, then please don't use this forum as your personal
soapbox to extract revenge or vent your spleen. Rodney doesn't hide his
e-mail address here.... If you have something against him, take it up with
him personally and leave us out of it.

Joe

snip

Joe Haubenreich wrote:
Fellers, I've read this thread reluctantly. I want to weigh in on this
issue, even though the safer and easier course would be to keep quiet and
ignore the acrimony that is going on here. I feel this group is worthwhile,
though, and

I know that Rodney has an abrasive side to him. Several of us here do, too.
And I know that some of the people ridiculing Rodney in this string has been
personally offended in the past and so have a personal axe to grind with
him. Others just express distaste for his attitude. Well, we have a right to
express opinions related to bass fishing, bass tackle, boats, etc. on this
group, and I guess we can stretch it to opinions about bass tackle
manufacturers.... but by now the point has been made repeatedly. The
repetitious Rodney-bashing going on here is getting tiresome.

It appears to me that Rodney has been offering some reasonable, thoughtful,
coherent responses here, especially lately. What do you say we cut him some
slack?

There aren't many fishing tackle manufacturers on this group. Lots of us
hold firm opinions about bass promoters, manufacturers, and pros. From what
I've leaned over the past four or five years, it's clear to me that some of
those opinions are unfounded. On the other hand, some of the things Rodney
has said have been right on target. If you're interested in gaining insights
into the innovation, design, and manufacturing side of the industry, you
might want to pay attention to what Rodney has of value to share and
overlook the traits that you find personally distasteful.

I've learned several things from Rodney, and I have no problem with trying
new ideas... new lures... new knots, or whatever else he might suggest. I
urge us all... just take whatever of value we find here, and show a measure
of grace and courtesy in the way we treat each other, and keep the
discussions on a higher plane, if possible.

Indiscrete, hurtful remarks and public ridicule or scorn rankle and fester,
and it's hard to just drop them and move on with our lives. If you're unable
to put them behind you, then please don't use this forum as your personal
soapbox to extract revenge or vent your spleen. Rodney doesn't hide his
e-mail address here.... If you have something against him, take it up with
him personally and leave us out of it.

Joe

snip


Just have him show up at a tournament and defend his claims. That is
all I want to see.

Chris

I have only been reading this thread, and have been reluctant to "add"
to it, but I would like to comment on something. Challenging Rodney to
defend his inventions by personally fishing them is not the approach to
challenging the invention it's self. Many inventors are not "experts" at
what they are trying to improve with their inventions.....golf club
manufactures hire engineers to figure out better ways to structure the
clubs/balls so the "athlete" can improve their performance, the engineer
may not even play golf at all. It is the same with many, if not most,
inventions that help a performer at some skill activity. The inventor is
often the one least qualified to "test" his/her invention. I realize
that Rodney has offered up some claims as to his expertise in
fishing...so I am not trying to circumvent those claims...just saying
that the proof of the validity of the inventors claims is often provided
by others more skilled in that field. In Rodney's case, he is a
fisherman, and has developed some products he feels will help other
fishermen catch more fish...and he certainly must have tried those
products himself, at least to a degree that satisfied him that it was a
viable venture to pursue. But I would wager that he would be the first
to admit that he is not the most skilled of fishermen..especially bass
fishermen. I think that the proof is in the "pudding" so to
speak....don't knock it if you haven't tried it....don't try it if you
choose not to...but either way, let the product speak for it's
self....Rodney certainly doesn't do a very good job of speaking for it,
but that does not automatically condemn the product....but rather,
exposes his lack of "people skills".

Disclaimer: This not an endorsement of the products, nor a "defense" for
Rodney....just an opinion grin

JK

Just do what I did Chris.... kill-file Rodney and Warren and let them fight
it in there.


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
...
Just have him show up at a tournament and defend his claims. That is all
I want to see.

Chris

John Kerr wrote:
just saying
that the proof of the validity of the inventors claims is often provided
by others more skilled in that field. In Rodney's case, he is a
fisherman, and has developed some products he feels will help other
fishermen catch more fish...and he certainly must have tried those
products himself, at least to a degree that satisfied him that it was a
viable venture to pursue. But I would wager that he would be the first
to admit that he is not the most skilled of fishermen..especially bass
fishermen.


I went to those who were "very" skilled fishermen, for evaluations.
actually some of the very best, that wanted to catch fish with it. (in
other words they gave it their best to use it properly)

These are the famous fishermen, but I can't mention their names anymore
here, because that is name dropping, and they were "bought off" by
little old me,, that is what some say on here. Like I could buy off
these guys. Isn't that a joke.

I could easily post "their" comments here, but no one would believe them
either, I could even post news paper stories, or quotes of these
fishermen they made in news paper stories, and magazines.


Do you understand why I get so upset with some on this group,, there is
no proof they will accept ? Even if I went to one of their little
tournaments, and won it, they would claim I did it using something else.


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

You didn't killfile me Charles - you LOVE me!

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com
Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions

"Charles B. Summers" wrote in message
...
Just do what I did Chris.... kill-file Rodney and Warren and let them
fight it in there.


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
...
Just have him show up at a tournament and defend his claims. That is all
I want to see.

Chris

Warren awhile back you mentioned OT posts bothered you. You are almost as
guilty. As a completely neutral observer who has never met you I have found
you entertaining, interesting and a genuinely decent fellow. So the other
shoe falls, WHY start these flame wars with Rod??? Like Moe said so long ago
about Al, ignore him. He had been gone until you awakened the beast. Sorry
for the vent if I offend you. I do not mean to. Joe Z.

"gobassn" wrote in message
...
You didn't killfile me Charles - you LOVE me!

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com
Http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com
2004 NJ B.A.S.S. Federation State Champions

Don't be insulted Chris. It's just another tool in your box, and not any one
of them is able to replace any of the others. Nothing is going to be more
valuable to you than the time you've invested.


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
:-)..........Charles, it is pretty much wishful thinking on my part. It
is just insulting that someone can think that 14+ years of learning on my
part can all be thrown out the window because of a rubberband.

Well, I better get back to work.

Charles B. Summers wrote:
Don't be insulted Chris. It's just another tool in your box, and not any one
of them is able to replace any of the others. Nothing is going to be more
valuable to you than the time you've invested.


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .

:-)..........Charles, it is pretty much wishful thinking on my part. It
is just insulting that someone can think that 14+ years of learning on my
part can all be thrown out the window because of a rubberband.

Well, I better get back to work.





A number of years ago I worked with a bunch of guys, that they all were
amazed at how sharp my pocket knife was, they all had me sharpening
their knives. Dang I was good at it, it took me many years of practice
to get a knife sharper than a new bought razor blade, then one day one
of the guys came in magazine that showed this little device that would
allow anyone to sharpen a knife better than me, B.S. nothing can do
that, I claimed, proper knife sharpening is both an art and a skill, no
one can come up with something that anyone can do it right with without
spending years learning how.

One day one of the guys brought in one of these new fangled knife
sharpeners, he sat in the break room putting razor edges on everyone's
knife, It just ain't so I claimed,, no way that thing can out do my
edges. Well that Lansky came darn close, actually once a guy practiced
just a little with it, he could out sharpen me in half the time.

Now does everyone use the Lansky ? Hardly, but that thing will do what
they claimed, it allowed "anyone" to put a razor edge on a knife.

Think about it

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney wrote:
Charles B. Summers wrote:

Don't be insulted Chris. It's just another tool in your box, and not
any one of them is able to replace any of the others. Nothing is going
to be more valuable to you than the time you've invested.


"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .

:-)..........Charles, it is pretty much wishful thinking on my part.
It is just insulting that someone can think that 14+ years of
learning on my part can all be thrown out the window because of a
rubberband.

Well, I better get back to work.






A number of years ago I worked with a bunch of guys, that they all were
amazed at how sharp my pocket knife was, they all had me sharpening
their knives. Dang I was good at it, it took me many years of practice
to get a knife sharper than a new bought razor blade, then one day one
of the guys came in magazine that showed this little device that would
allow anyone to sharpen a knife better than me, B.S. nothing can do
that, I claimed, proper knife sharpening is both an art and a skill, no
one can come up with something that anyone can do it right with without
spending years learning how.

One day one of the guys brought in one of these new fangled knife
sharpeners, he sat in the break room putting razor edges on everyone's
knife, It just ain't so I claimed,, no way that thing can out do my
edges. Well that Lansky came darn close, actually once a guy practiced
just a little with it, he could out sharpen me in half the time.

Now does everyone use the Lansky ? Hardly, but that thing will do what
they claimed, it allowed "anyone" to put a razor edge on a knife.

Think about it

I don't doubt your claims Rodney. I get the point you are trying to
make in the last message. Bottom line is your approach was terrible to
this whole thing.

My point was that if you are going to name drop it will mean nothing to
me. So who cares what I think??? We obviously you do, because you are
hell bent on getting this group to believe in your product. So my
solution was, if that is your motivation, then come to a tournament and
show us all how it works. That is how you will hook this group. Hell,
look at horny toads!!!!!!! (Randy, Heavy, Jerry)!!!!

My point about paying off as you put it the "Pros" was that those guys
will benefit from helping you, either now or in the future when it takes
off.

Also, you keep saying how would you benefit from showing up to a
tournament. Well there is a pretty diverse crowd. Ronnie Garrison
touches a lot of people (fishing.about.com) plus fishes tournaments.
Warren , whether you like him or not is a very successful tournament
fisherman, and has the respect of a lot of people, including myself.
Steve Huber is a Professional guide, and sees a ton of people a year, as
well as a having his own outdoors show now!!!!!! So right there, you
could benefit greatly by showing up and showing how your products work.
Yeah, nobody is going to pay for your travel and lodging to come
here but it might pay off.

Well, I promise everybody this is the last post on this thread from me.
Like it was mentioned before so much of this is just the same stuff
over and over.

Chris