"briansfly" wrote in message
news:FuUye.4471$3Y3.1535@trnddc09...
TOP POST WARNING chuckle

Tom,
Unless you're on a diet, take more food! Have you had Mountain House meals
before? The 2 person meals will leave you hungry after finishing, and
licking the inside of the bag. I would recommend eating one, 2 person
meal, for each meal, and have a snack/desert along with it. You're going
to be burning a lot of calories. Packing an extra bag(or two)of food isn't
gonna weigh much, and it'll keep you out of your buddies food container at
12:00 AM. :-)

You certainly have a ultralight setup there. I would never suggest you're
too minimalist....but where's the whiskey? ;-)

If you don't mind me asking, where are you going?

Have a great trip!
brians


Thanks, I'll be heading up to the Eastern Sierra's CA, lots of good fishing
up there.
I'm also a die-hard cyclist with a body fat of 7% so I trained myself to go
on just a minimum of food and water. 3-days out in the wilderness won't kill
you. I've actually been lost before, well I'll say disoriented because I had
a map and compass and taught myself good orienteering skills.
Yes, Mountain House is the only freeze dried food I'll eat, and my buddies
know I never failed to meet them back at the car, but there's always the
first and last time.
-tom

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

....3-days out in the wilderness won't kill you. I've actually been lost
before, well I'll say disoriented because I had a map and compass and
taught myself good orienteering skills.
Yes, Mountain House is the only freeze dried food I'll eat, and my buddies
know I never failed to meet them back at the car, but there's always the
first and last time.

"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several
weeks."--Daniel Boone

Wolfgang
who, while no match for the peerlessly peripatetic explorer, has certainly
covered SOME of the same ground. :(

Tom Nakashima wrote:

Thanks, I'll be heading up to the Eastern Sierra's CA, lots of good fishing
up there.

Yes there is. I need to get over that way more often.

I'm also a die-hard cyclist with a body fat of 7% so I trained myself to go
on just a minimum of food and water. 3-days out in the wilderness won't kill
you.

Well maybe not kill me, but without whiskey in my pack, i'll be reminded
about how hungry I am. ;-)

I've actually been lost before, well I'll say disoriented because I had
a map and compass and taught myself good orienteering skills.

I've been lost before too, but I have no orienteering(didn't even know
that was a word ;-0)skills. I relied on someone finding me. :-)

Yes, Mountain House is the only freeze dried food I'll eat, and my buddies
know I never failed to meet them back at the car, but there's always the
first and last time.
-tom

You certainly know what you need more than i would. My suggestions were
geared towards my caloric intake....which by my cholesterol count, is
pretty high. ;-)

I have one more question, then i'll leave you alone. Why do you use a
fuel stove, and not one of the canister stoves. Seems like you pack VERY
light, and a canister would be the normal choice? Oh, and no sleeping
pad? Ouch!

brians

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several
weeks."--Daniel Boone

Wolfgang
who, while no match for the peerlessly peripatetic explorer, has certainly
covered SOME of the same ground. :(
I used to work with Ron Baggs (electrical engineer), we called him the
"Mountain Man" Every year his wife would drop him off somewhere in the
Sierra mountains, and two weeks later pick him up at a meeting point
somewhere in the Sierra's. Said he had get far away from city life. No
tent, no mat, no money, just a sleeping bag and a little bit of food and
water. He always met his wife at the pick-up point.
-tom

On 7/6/05 2:32 PM, in article 1tVye.27706$mr4.14980@trnddc05, "briansfly"
wrote:

Oh, and no sleeping
pad? Ouch!

That's one of the places where I part ways with Tom's packing list. Both my
back and my down bag require a pad. I also can't do the bivy sack thing, so
a 4.5 pound tent adds bulk and weight to my overnight kit. Add the whiskey
flask, small aluminum espresso pot, a book, and my bag o' gorp, and my pack
will be closer to 20 pounds rather than 10.

Bill (thinking about testing the hypothesis this weekend...
brookies....mmmmm......)

On 7/6/05 2:45 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote:


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several
weeks."--Daniel Boone

Wolfgang
who, while no match for the peerlessly peripatetic explorer, has certainly
covered SOME of the same ground. :(
I used to work with Ron Baggs (electrical engineer), we called him the
"Mountain Man" Every year his wife would drop him off somewhere in the
Sierra mountains, and two weeks later pick him up at a meeting point
somewhere in the Sierra's. Said he had get far away from city life. No
tent, no mat, no money, just a sleeping bag and a little bit of food and
water. He always met his wife at the pick-up point.

*** The train was passing through the San Francisco Mountains in
northwestern Arizona.* The conversation was left to Mr. Muir, in
acknowledgment of his superior powers of entertainment and instruction.* It
drifted naturally on to mountain tramping, and Mr. Muir told of a walk he
took around Mt. Shasta several years ago.* "I was stopping at Sisson's" he
said, "and one morning I thought I'd take a walk, so I put on my hat and
started.* As I went down the path to the gate, Mrs. Sisson called after me
to ask how long it would be before I would be back.* 'O, I don't know,' I
said, 'not very long, I guess.'* 'Will you be back to luncheon?' she asked.*
'I expect so,' I said, and went on.* After I had got along a bit I concluded
to walk up to the timber-line and back again.* So I started off up the
mountain side.* I soon found that I could not go up directly, as I had
expected, as there were long gulches full of snow ahead, around which I had
to make detours before I could proceed.* I kept repeating this performance,
intent on getting up, until it was growing dusk before I realized what time
it was.* But I was used to being caught out so I simply got on the lee side
of a big log, made a fire, and went to sleep on a pile of leaves.* In the
morning I soon reached the timber-line.* Then I noticed some new snow
formations near the summit, and I concluded to go on up.* I made the ascent
and got back to the timber-line again by about nightfall of the second day.*
It was snowing, so I made a bigger fire and lay up closer to my log
shelter.* When I awoke in the morning I was covered with snow, but I wasn't
uncomfortably cold.* But I concluded I would work down to a little lower
level and continue on around the mountain.* By this time I began to feel a
little 'gone' from lack of food.* I've often spent two days without anything
to eat and even felt better for it; but the third day is getting toward the
point of being too much.* As I tramped along I thought I saw smoke.* I
stopped and watched it for a long time to make sure that it wasn't a ribbon
of cloud.* When I was sure it was smoke, I worked toward it, and in about an
hour I came on a Mexican sheep-herders' camp.* After a lot of signaling and
gesticulating, I made them understand that I was very hungry, and at last
they got me up a meal.* I spent the night with them, and the next day
continued my march around the mountain, taking some bread and coffee from
the camp.* For three days I went on without seeing anybody.* On the seventh
day I completed the circuit of the mountain, and about noon I sauntered up
the walk to Sisson's, as if I had just come in from a half-hour's stroll.*
Mrs. Sisson saw me and called out, 'Well, Mr. Muir, do you call this a short
walk?* Where have you been?* I've had a guide out searching for you.'* 'O, I
just took a little walk: I went around the base of the mountain.* But I got
back in time for lunch, didn't I?'* I had been gone seven days and had
walked a hundred and twenty miles.

From: "A Conversation with John Muir." World's Work [London, England] Nov.
1906, pp. 8249-8250.

http://www.siskiyous.edu/library/sha...nversation.htm

"briansfly" wrote in message
news:1tVye.27706$mr4.14980@trnddc05...
Tom Nakashima wrote:

I have one more question, then i'll leave you alone. Why do you use a fuel
stove, and not one of the canister stoves. Seems like you pack VERY light,
and a canister would be the normal choice? Oh, and no sleeping pad? Ouch!
brians

Yes, the canister stoves are indeed lighter. I've had my Whisperlite stove
since 1986 when it won the product design award in Backpacker Magazine. I
use it at least 3x a year without fail. Sometimes it's hard to get rid of
things that have sentimental value, we've been to a lot of places together.
Canister stoves are great because you can adjust the heat better, for making
pancakes, or omelets, frying bacon. I also grew up on a fuel stoves, only
now I just boil water, which with a small pan and cover takes only 2 min.

Yes, no sleeping pad, but I've learned to make a soft bedding on dirt
without disturbing the land by finding an area that can be put back to as
natural as I can. I do have a compact pillow that is a must, as long as my
head is cushioned I'm fine. Here's a test, someday when you're really
tired, take a small pillow with you to the school yard and lay down on the
grass. You'll be surprised how comfortable it is...even without whiskey.
The back side of your sleeping bag is more than enough, feels like the lawn.

I love sleeping out under the stars, of course when it rains it's
disaster....been there before too. I sometimes feel a bit claustrophobic
in a tent, while in my bivy I peek my face out of the opening.
-tom

"William Claspy" wrote in message news:BEF1A0E8.9FFA%
Bill (thinking about testing the hypothesis this weekend...
brookies....mmmmm......)

William,
where I'll be packing in, I'll be fishing for natural brookies. I find them
to be one of the best tasting fish. They're small, but two make a good
meal, the rest are released unharmed.
-tom

Tom Nakashima wrote:
where I'll be packing in, I'll be fishing for natural brookies. ...

Naturally reproducing, I'll give you, but brook trout
are non-natives, some say trash fish, in the Sierras.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tom Nakashima wrote:
where I'll be packing in, I'll be fishing for natural brookies. ...

Naturally reproducing, I'll give you, but brook trout
are non-natives, some say trash fish, in the Sierras.

Brookies aren't native to the Sierras?!! :(

Well......dang.

Wolfgang
who, till now, had never given much credence to the old saw that one learns
something every day.