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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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...I've done this with three rods so far and two pairs of my wife's
birkenstocks.

I also wear Birkenstocks, the oldest pair of shoes/sandals I ever owned.
They're going on 27 years. They've been recorked 7 times, but I'm sure
and your wife may agree, they're the most comfortable things to put on
your feet.
-tom

Ah! Now, imagine a hole in the top surface.....where the ball of your
foot makes contact. Would a lump of epoxy be your first choice to fill
it? Or does a patch made of the same material as the original strike you
as the more appropriate candidate? :)

Wolfgang

This is very interesting, because I did ask a Birkenstock repair place how
they patch the cork in a worn pair of sandals. They actually cut out a
section of cork and replace it with the same material. It is a rubberized
glue that they use to join the cork sections together. That said, it gives
me an idea to go down to a Shoe repair shop that specializes in Birkenstock
and pick their brains.
-tom

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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:44:09 -0600, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:34:04 -0600, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

I was probably not precise enough in my previous statement. You are
not gluing it to the cork on the sides, but rather the cork below the
patch. In woodworking inlays, you don't attempt to glue the edges of
the inlay, you glue it to the substrate. I'm assuming you would do the
same with cork, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Hmmm...first, I've never used, seen, or even heard of a Dutchman used to
repair an inlay, nor do I think it would be an appropriate use, but that
is certainly another of those "YMMV" things.

I'm not saying you use a Dutchman to repair an inlay, I'm saying
that the technique is the same. (A Dutchman *is* an inlay.)

No, not necessarily. Often, a Dutchman is used where there is a
significant localized damage or a defect/hole in a plank. In all
traditional, common uses of a Dutchman of which I am aware (and yet
again, I'd readily agree that such uses are "YMMV"), it would be a real
stretch - even to the point of inaccuracy - to call a Dutchman an
"inlay" when using the word "inlay" as a cabinetmaker/ebeniste would.
Heck, it is often more of a carpentry thing.

In my experience, a
Dutchman is simply a way to repair/salvage something much larger (a
large, wide plank in a casegood, for example) that merits the handwork
necessary to fit it. And again, in my experience, a Dutchman would be
fully glued, much like a plug.

You "fully glue" an inlay/Dutchman/whatever by gluing it to the
substrate.

Um, with regard to a Dutchman, no. not as a blanket statement, as there
may or not be substrate in which to glue it.

If you are trying to glue the edges, much of that surface is
endgrain, and attempting to glue endgrain is a waste of time.

With regard to the Dutchman, no, and no. Think of why a Dutchman isn't
just a round "plug"

That said, given the time and effort to precisely cut the recept in the
handle and the corresponding cork "Dutchman," it would be more an goal
in and of itself rather than a practical repair method.

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. Given that logic,
joining casework with dovetails is a goal in and of itself rather than a
practical method of joinery.

Non-sequitur, but it is both. Look at how different dovetailing styles
and techniques developed across the spectrum of fine cabinetmakers, with
those techniques often becoming an intentional or de facto "signature."
But that has nothing to do with repairing cork handles.

And beyond
that, you would be relying on the underlying cork to hold the patch, and
if you didn't glue the edges, I think that would introduce another
weakness in that, unlike the very thin wood inlay where there is no real
edge to hold glue, nor is it necessary, the cork Dutchman would
susceptible to catching and tearing at the edge of the "patch" unless
glued at the edges.

Not if it's sanded flush with the surrounding cork.

Could, for argument's sake, a patch be done by this method? Yeah, sure.
Should it be done? That would be up to the individual, but I don't
think it would be worth it, and I know that it would be completely
unnecessary excess as far as repair goes

Well then, don't do it. Leave it for those who have the necessary
skills/tools/desire.

I have no intention of even trying it at this point forward, but have no
intention of discouraging anyone who wants to try it out. And if you
have the skills, tools, and most importantly, the desire, I'd say try it
out - and I mean that with no sarcasm whatsoever. OTOH, I would
discourage someone from looking to it as a preferred repair method.

Heck, you could probably argue for CNC mircocutters with 3D digitizing
input and all sorts of other cool ****,

Actually, I meant this part somewhat seriously, such as in a
manufacturing facility on new, mass-produced handles doing, ahem,
insetting on new handles designed for such.

Cute, but hardly relevant, given that I'm advocating an ancient form
of repair that can be accomplished with a minimum of tools.

Well, I'm not sure of your definition of "ancient," and moreover, I
think you'll find that putting a Dutchman in a cork handle won't be
worth the effort, I also think it will _generally_ fail, which is not
to say that a particular person, using a _relatively_ extreme (as
compared to simply re-ringing) amount of time and care couldn't do it,
just that it isn't in any sense a preferred method.

TC,
R

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Tom Nakashima wrote:

it gives
me an idea to go down to a Shoe repair shop that specializes in Birkenstock
and pick their brains.

Which is where I picked up on the technique I described. :)
Their cork cleaner is great for cleaning the cork on rods too.

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Conan The Librarian wrote:

It's a *research* library. :-)

Obviously they ain't researching something worthwhile, like making
flyrods perhaps?

Wayne
:-) back at ya

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I think we all get that. :-) But frankly, I see more advatnages to
using a cork "insert" (avoiding terms like "inlay" and "Dutchman" so we
don't go off on another merry tangent) than cork dust and glue.

I didn't bring up, much less suggest, the use of a Dutchman or inlays,
you did. I'm not sure who first used the term "insert" in this thread,
but it doesn't really matter. Here are the two preferred methods of
properly repairing ring-type cork handles: if the damage is small, use
cork dust and one of the less-hard-drying glues. If the damage is
larger or the cork is deteriorated, replace one or more rings. You are,
of course, free to use whatever method(s) you prefer.

Some final things you may wish to consider: people regularly spend lots
of time doing fancy wraps, shaping handles, etc. People regularly do
multicolor ringing and even multi-material ringing on ring-style
handles, and there are sheet-cork inserts on moulded material handles.
People have been doing such for 100-plus years. People have never
regularly or with any great success done cork "inlays" or whatever you
wish to call them even on _new_ cork handles, where lathes and other
devices can easily be used.

TC,
R

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Tim J. wrote:

Damned libs. ;-)

My wife and I are complete opposites in many things. Recreation, Food,
Entertainment, Money, and most importantly Politics. She is a dyed in
the wool conservative republican.

So take your sterotype and stick it where the sun don't shine Timmay ;)

Somehow we will celebrate our 28th wedding anniversary this Dec 30th.

Wayne

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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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My wife and I are complete opposites in many things. Recreation, Food,
Entertainment, Money, and most importantly Politics. She is a dyed in
the wool conservative republican.

Somehow we will celebrate our 28th wedding anniversary this Dec 30th.

Wayne

Congratulations Wayne!
28 years together is something to be proud of. Guess you heard this one
before; "today a Tabasco sauce in the fridge last longer than most
marriages". I'll be going on 25 married years in March of next year, the
silver anniv they call it. The only other thing I own silver is two
fillings. I think we appreciate eachother even more as we get older. We
had our squabbles, but the good times outweigh them.
-tom

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