The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:34:00 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:



Maybe if you had Pass Lakes, Harry.


BTW, to me this was never about charity but rather about comradery. I
was thinking about tying up 4 dozen Pass lakes and sending them out.
Not because I thought that these kids needed the handout but because I
thought they'd get a kick out of receiving them and I knew I'd get a
kick if one of them succeeded in catching a NZ trout on one of my
Cheesehead classic flies. Doubt if I can find the time to get them
done but it would have been an amusing endeavor.

And a damned fine _gift_ as well...

TC,
R

g.c.

The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:01:58 GMT, Julie wrote:


And Harry is giving people a %10 discount?? He could at least sell at
wholesale.

Just so there is _NO_ misunderstanding - I didn't think Harry was
attempting to make a profit over flies sold in this scheme to supply
Myron's class. Moreover, he stated plainly that he wasn't and I take
him at his word on that.

And as aside, don't speak for me or attempt to do so. I'll say what I
mean, mean what I say, and if there are any questions about it, I'll
answer for myself. And that answer will be forthcoming with full
consideration of the apparent spirit of the question at hand.

R

The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:10:11 -0500, jeff wrote:

wrote:

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:01:58 GMT, Julie wrote:



And Harry is giving people a %10 discount?? He could at least sell at
wholesale.


Just so there is _NO_ misunderstanding - I didn't think Harry was
attempting to make a profit over flies sold in this scheme to supply
Myron's class. Moreover, he stated plainly that he wasn't and I take
him at his word on that.

And as aside, don't speak for me or attempt to do so. I'll say what I
mean, mean what I say, and if there are any questions about it, I'll
answer for myself. And that answer will be forthcoming with full
consideration of the apparent spirit of the question at hand.

R


jeezus...i just noticed her e-mail address. wayno? perhaps you can
chan...um, reason with her.

jeff

More likely, wayno would come face to face with a bearded sock-puppet...

/daytripper (I mean - c'mon - "? riiiiiiight ;-)

The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:53:49 -0600, "Guy" guytee2 at comcast dot net
wrote:

Thank you Dave for the pic. Willi is a fine gentleman and many of us have
had the opportunity to fish with him. I am a good flyfisher. Willi eclipses
me.

Yes he is. I've fished with him a couple of times. I'm pretty good
myself, but Willi and Peter Collin also eclipse me. d;o(

Contrary to what some idiots on this forum say, Harry Mason is one
helluva nice guy. He need not nor does he spam this ng. His
reputation is what gets him customers from roff. A couple of my
friends now use his service simply by looking at the flies I buy from
Harry. The Killer Caddis is only one of many that he sells and that I
have found catch fish.

Dave

The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:10:11 -0500, jeff
wrote:

wrote:

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:01:58 GMT, Julie wrote:



And Harry is giving people a %10 discount?? He could at least sell at
wholesale.


Just so there is _NO_ misunderstanding - I didn't think Harry was
attempting to make a profit over flies sold in this scheme to supply
Myron's class. Moreover, he stated plainly that he wasn't and I take
him at his word on that.

And as aside, don't speak for me or attempt to do so. I'll say what I
mean, mean what I say, and if there are any questions about it, I'll
answer for myself. And that answer will be forthcoming with full
consideration of the apparent spirit of the question at hand.

R


jeezus...i just noticed her e-mail address. wayno? perhaps you can
chan...um, reason with her.

jeff

More likely, wayno would come face to face with a bearded sock-puppet...

/daytripper (I mean - c'mon - "? riiiiiiight ;-)

You misspelled "snotty"

HTH

Op

The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:07:40 -0500, jeff
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:53:14 -0500, jeff
wrote:



i'm sending some flies to the rich kids in hong kong...well, with
harry's help. ...and i applaud both harry and myron for their efforts. i
didn't consider it part of my annual charitable giving or public
service. i did consider it a return and continuance of the better spirit
and purpose of this place...a place that originally throbbed with
friendships and sharing...not rancor. it was simply a favor being
returned to a "friend"...a way to say thanks.

i have been the beneficiary of the kindness and gifts of many of the
well-off folks who have posted or once posted here. their charity was
undeserved and certainly not needed or required. however, it made a huge
difference in my life and affected some of my own views and conduct ...
for the better. i learned valuable and important things, that in turn
inspired me to share and participate in ways i might not otherwise have
done. in short...kindness and unconditional gifts have a power that
shouldn't have a narrow or rigid focus. ultimately, i think it serves us
all...rich and poor, fortunate and unfortunate.


And I'd generally agree with this, almost completely even, except that
when "well-off folks" give gifts to other presumably "well-off folks"
(i.e., you), it ain't charity, it's, well, well-off folks giving gifts
to other presumably well-off folks. And IMO, that's fine, normal, and
natural, and certainly is a sign of fellowship and friendship. Good
things, indeed. Plus, such things are generally a two-way street, as it
were. But let's not confuse it with "helping" anyone in the purely
practical sense and that is by simple necessity of the situation purely
a "one-way street." Unfortunately, there are many more people in this
world that need the practical help to be able to survive to get to the
warm and fuzzy parts many of us take for granted or think of as our due
than there are those that can participate in a scheme involving well-off
folks exchanging gifts out of friendship.

TC,
R


jeff


well...except...if charity is considered a benevolent action of any sort
for the needy with no expectation of material reward, i'd argue well-off
folks can be in need of gifts. kindness (and sharing one's knowledge or
friendship in a pleasant-positive way) in the current world seems to
qualify as a "gift", imo.

jeff


Bull****. This is not a group of tyers tying flies for a friend's class
- _AS MYRON ASKED_. For those tying and sending, this obviously doesn't
apply to you. This - the thing with Harry - is (apparently) you and
some others going to all the effort of sending a business a credit card
number so they can send some flies to the kids, whose parents, at least
(and apparently), could buy the store. Unless it's the credit card that
saved your favorite grandfather's life in "the great war" or something,
I see nothing but a guy who can afford to buy something for someone
else. There's no thought put behind "a gift," no personal meaning or
effort, nothing - it's just like spoiled little kids and Christmas. They
make a list, Mommy and Daddy take the list, buy as much of the **** as
they can find or afford, and everybody is, er, "happy." It's not the
kids and their list that are ****ed up, it's Mommy and Daddy. Instead
of taking the time to really give the kids _a gift_, it's whip out the
AMEX and not notice the cost. I don't see Porter coming back to write
about _this_ little commercial exchange...

HTH,
R

what a crock!

porter? ship of fools, texas, k. porter? i'm not sure i get the
reference. o'henry i might have gotten.

Porter is O. Henry's real name - W. S. Porter. Since he has NC ties,
and you are in to NC writers, I figured you'd get the reference.

no credit card transaction on my end. i asked harry to accept my check,
charge full price and postage, and to send myron as much as my check
would provide. it was my gift to myron for his rich students...borne
solely from a unique friendship developed here, and a reimbursement of
sorts for kindnesses shared with me...which i consider unexpected gifts.
you can color and define your life and choices, i'll tend to mine.
i'll accept appropriate criticism, and consider differing views...but,
in the end on this one, you think i'm wrong or "bull****"...i think i'm
right.

And that's perfectly fine. Hell, it's a matter of opinion, so I'd say
there is no "right" or "wrong" answer.

in this case, you've not convinced me, philosophically or
practically.

And I'm not trying to convince you - I'm simply stating my opinion(s).
I'd offer that it is up to each person to form their own opinion(s).

and your comments to harry were way off base.

That's your opinion, and while I respect your right to think as you
wish, I don't agree.

he did
nothing that you or anyone else, including ms. julie, accused him of...

Now as to "ms. julie," I suspect we are more in agreement than not, at
least insofar as him making a profit on the flies you send.

had i thought myself a competent tyer, i would have offered to send my
own ties.

If it's a "gift" based on the spirit of the thing and not the material
aspect, why does the quality of the tie matter? Did your kids'
childlike artwork mean less because it was not Rembrandt-esque? Would
you have preferred if they had hired professional artists so the icebox
would look "better?" I would doubt it.

however, as flies were suggested, and since myron was unable
to receive cash to acquire flies, but can accept the flies, the
suggestion i made - yeah, it was me that got harry in this ****storm

Um, how does your suggestion translate into getting Harry into anything,
unless you somehow forced him to follow it?

(i'm sorry harry) - to purchase from harry seemed a decent alternative.
harry, good guy that he truly is, tried to be accommodating in a public
way. he even took all profit out of the deal for himself and was going
to absorb postage - something i disagreed with completely. he didn't
spam - i dragged him into this.

nobody raises sand in the annual flyswaps about one of our friends using
purchased flies for his contribution.

Yeah, I thought about that very thing and almost used it as an example
of something, but changed my mind. As you seem to both allude to and
understand, it's basically an open, known-to-all running joke among
equals. But I'd offer this in response: I'd _guess_ that those flies
aren't held with quite the same sentiment by the recipients that the
personal ties are. That's not to take away from the person in question
or his "gift" - it's a humorous aspect of the thing that all understand
and take accordingly. IAC, it (the whole flyswap thing) is not really
relevant to the "gift" thing.

it ain't about the need or the ability of the donor. friendship...that's the real gift.

I would disagree with the use of "the real gift" and substitute "a real
gift" - YMMV.

TC,
R

something i
think most are capable of "seeing"/understanding when not consumed with
the narrow focus of scanning for dung heaps in an otherwise pleasant
landscape.

jeff

The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

The Greater Hong Kong Fly Shipment...
 

"jeff" wrote in message
...

...the swaps are born of the spirit of friendship that surfaces in this
place on many occasions....

True.....but as long as the writer communicates in language unintelligible
to the reader, the information is useless.

Wolfgang