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"Lat705" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Retirement is great.


Lou T

Not wishing to puit a damper on anything, but it depends rather heavily on
why you retired.

TL
MC

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:58:32 -0600, "Bob Patton"
rwpmailatcharterdotnet wrote:

- the
pipe is made of some kind of greenish-gray stone that I've never seen in
NC.
The points are also interesting, but were much more common than pipes.
Bob

Possibly Minnesota pipe stone. Some of it is that colour. The
AmerInds (is that still PC? Certainly PC enough for ROFF) traded much
more extensively than most of our grade school and above educations
ever mentioned. I have read in our DNR information that pipe stone
went over great distances.

I'm not certain, but I believe I've read somewhere that some of the tribes
around Lake Superior still maintain exclusive rights to certain rich quarry
sites. I think that proper pipe stone is still highly sought after in some
circles.

Wolfgang

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"SnakeFiddler" wrote in message
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//snip//
I'd like to see your points. I might could tell what period they came
from,
as each period had distinctive points ranging from Clovis to Kirkland and
others. The pipe may very well be from another state,as there is evidence
that the Mississippian and Woodland period Indians traveled between
states,
trading supplies. The points of course were utilitarian, therefore more
abundant, while the pipes were used ceremoniously and also served as
non-utilitarian artwork. Any design on the pipe would give clues as to
when
it was made.
Really cool stuff to have! I'm envious!

Snakefiddler-always with my nose to the ground......


At your service, Madame.
The only point I could find in the drawer is this one - one of the kids must
have "borrowed" the other. Anyway . . .

http://webpages.charter.net/rwpatton.../pipepoint.htm

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AmerInds.........traded much more extensively than our grade school and
above educations ever mentioned.

True that- like so many other things they didn't tell us, or presented in a
distorted manner.

Snakefiddler- fearing that the subversive in my education occurred well
before my college years, Mr. Wolfgang... :-)



wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:58:32 -0600, "Bob Patton"
rwpmailatcharterdotnet wrote:

- the
pipe is made of some kind of greenish-gray stone that I've never seen in
NC.
The points are also interesting, but were much more common than pipes.
Bob

Possibly Minnesota pipe stone. Some of it is that colour. The
AmerInds (is that still PC? Certainly PC enough for ROFF) traded much
more extensively than most of our grade school and above educations
ever mentioned. I have read in our DNR information that pipe stone
went over great distances.

--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely
on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Damn, Bob, your on it!! Give me a little time to pull out my Appalachian
Pre-History stuff, and I will see if I can match them up to anything I have.

Snakefiddler- gettin into the shower, so it may take a little time...

"Bob Patton" rwpmailatcharterdotnet wrote in message
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"SnakeFiddler" wrote in message
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//snip//
I'd like to see your points. I might could tell what period they came
from,
as each period had distinctive points ranging from Clovis to Kirkland
and
others. The pipe may very well be from another state,as there is
evidence
that the Mississippian and Woodland period Indians traveled between
states,
trading supplies. The points of course were utilitarian, therefore more
abundant, while the pipes were used ceremoniously and also served as
non-utilitarian artwork. Any design on the pipe would give clues as to
when
it was made.
Really cool stuff to have! I'm envious!

Snakefiddler-always with my nose to the ground......


At your service, Madame.
The only point I could find in the drawer is this one - one of the kids
must
have "borrowed" the other. Anyway . . .

http://webpages.charter.net/rwpatton.../pipepoint.htm

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In article ,
lid says...


Possibly Minnesota pipe stone. Some of it is that colour. The
AmerInds (is that still PC? Certainly PC enough for ROFF) traded much
more extensively than most of our grade school and above educations
ever mentioned. I have read in our DNR information that pipe stone
went over great distances.


The Knife River Indian village site is about halfway between
Minot and Bismarck, ND, near the site of Ft. Union, where
Lewis and Clark spent their first winter. It's also where
they found Charboneau and Sakakawea. At the time it was a
huge trading center; Lewis described it as being much bigger
than St. Louis or Washington, DC. The Knife River is named
for the nearby flint quarries, the stone from which was much
sought after for arrow and spear points and knife blades.

Anyway, my point, in case you were wondering if I had one,
is that the Knife River flint is easily recognizable -- it's
a kind of transluscent butterscotchy brown color -- and I
think I have recognized it in museum collections just about
everyplace I have gone in North America.

Kevin
course, I haven't been everywhere yet.

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"Kevin Vang" wrote

The Knife River Indian village site is about halfway between
Minot and Bismarck, ND, near the site of Ft. Union, where
Lewis and Clark spent their first winter. It's also where
they found Charboneau and Sakakawea. At the time it was a
huge trading center; Lewis described it as being much bigger
than St. Louis or Washington, DC. The Knife River is named
for the nearby flint quarries, the stone from which was much
sought after for arrow and spear points and knife blades.

Anyway, my point, in case you were wondering if I had one,
is that the Knife River flint is easily recognizable -- it's
a kind of transluscent butterscotchy brown color -- and I
think I have recognized it in museum collections just about
everyplace I have gone in North America.

Kevin
course, I haven't been everywhere yet.

can you imagine what a rush it would be to go back in time, and see the
clarity of those rivers--the ohio, a quarter of a mile wide, and clear as a
brook trout stream--and consider the awesome silence between nowadays st.
louis to, say, asheville, north carolina?

what will the next two hundred years bring? blade runner?

yfitons
wayno

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
.com...

//snip//

can you imagine what a rush it would be to go back in time, and see
the
clarity of those rivers--the ohio, a quarter of a mile wide, and clear as
a
brook trout stream--and consider the awesome silence between nowadays st.
louis to, say, asheville, north carolina?

what will the next two hundred years bring? blade runner?


I'm still kicking myself for not going to somewhere like Hoopers Bald on
September 11 or 12, 2001, so that I could see the clear night sky without
the flashing lights of airplanes. A couple of weeks ago I drove with some
visiting friends out to where the Missouri and Mississippi converge, and it
reminded me again - as I am reminded every time I drive past the swamps at
Kaskaskia - of what this wilderness must have been like 300 years ago. And
how incredibly tough the people were who first explored or fought through
it.

Actually, there was a very large native city on the east side of the
Mississippi near St Louis, and it may well be that there were more people
doing more things to the environment than we generally think today. But it
sure would have been interesting to see.

For example, I understand there were bison in North Carolina. Were there
grasslands all the way from the prairies across the mountains? I also read
somewhere that there are more acres of woodland east of the Mississippi now
than there were at the time of the revolution, I believe. The fellow who
wrote that says that Indians and Settlers had cleared much of the forest by
that time, and that in the last fifty years many more small farms have gone
back to woodland.

Bob

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Danl wrote:

"Tim J." wrote in message
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"Danl" wrote...
"Darin Minor" wrote...
Danl wrote:

You're always welcome here, Dave. I'm looking forward to seeing you.
I
hope
you're feeling better. Just be prepared for the worst weather of the
year in
Feb/Mar. Let me know when your plans congeal.

Danl

Bad weather? The temps get down to what, low 60's and no rain?


Shows what you know, Darin. In a statistically significant number of
years,
it has rained in San Diego County in either February or March. The rain
has,
on occasion, been accompanied by nighttime temperatures BELOW 50F.
Under
such circumstances, we locals have learned to just hunker down and
bravely
bear the brunt of old man winter's tour de force.

Since I am fluent in Californeese, allow me:

Shows what you know, Darin.

Dude!

In a statistically significant number of years,
it has rained in San Diego County in either February or March.

It rained once about ten years ago. The ground stayed wet for a few hours.

The rain has,
on occasion, been accompanied by nighttime temperatures BELOW 50F.

If we hold an ice cube to the thermometer, the red stuff goes down.

Under
such circumstances, we locals have learned to just hunker down and
bravely
bear the brunt of old man winter's tour de force.

Whoa, dude. Let's break out the windbreakers and wine.
--
HTH,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj


ROTFLMAO!

Danl

Because you know it's true!!

Darin

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:19:30 -0600, "Bob Patton"
rwpmailatcharterdotnet wrote:

For example, I understand there were bison in North Carolina. Were there
grasslands all the way from the prairies across the mountains?

There were something called Woods Bison. Might have been what was
there. I don't remember if they could interbreed with the plains
Bison or not. Not much different in looks, I gather. There should
be something on the Web about them.

--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli